Whoooops! Man dunks his Bugatti Veyron

[IVIYTH0S]

Well, being that it took part in a Le Mans race ...

 

Why should they? Why aren't poorer people spending their money in the future of public transportation? Getting a bit socialist with that statement. The rich pay their taxes and no doubt worked hard to get their pay cheque, so on what basis should they be penalised for wanting a 'super car'? Other than the tax they pay on the vehicle of course. And the fuel duty. And associated road taxes.

 

So please explain how the Ariel Atom is more versatile than, say, a Bugatti? I am honestly struggling to follow the logic here and even as I went for a piss I thought "but you don't even have a door in the Atom". The Atom is quick and like the Caterham, is probably banned for many FIA races ... but your argument for this very reason "versatile" is somewhat flawed in every sense of 'epic'.

 

Who's saying being wasteful is okay? Nobody is. I can bet you the average supercar puts out LESS greenhouse gases in its lifetime than a family sedan. That to me, is not wasteful in the slightest.

 

As has been mentioned before - if you want to get all socialist about people not needing to exceed their means, then you'd better hand back all your luxuries (computer included), as you don't NEED those things in reality - it's wasteful after all.

Yeah but it never actually said where. I assumed it was just a car that took part in the race, and that didn't happen in the track.

 

Poorer people can't afford to invest their money in the better technology, believe me, I would if I could. Why shouldn't the rich help out the world?? Getting a bit crapitalist with that statement??

They shouldn't be penalized but what is the point of getting a super car, when one won't drive it and push it to the limits it's designed to handle. It's ridiculous.

 

The atom example was meant for the track, where the bugatti should stay. Yeah of course the Atom would be banned lol, they'd be afraid the super cars might get beat in turns

 

The average supercar is certainly not putting out less greenhouse gases than your average car, since the bugatti is the center of attention I'll let CTRL-V do the talking

Fuel consumption

 

The Veyron consumes more fuel than nearly any larger car (not including buses or heavy trucks), using 40.4 litres per 100 kilometres (6.99 mpg-imp; 5.82 mpg-US) in city driving and 24.1 litres per 100 kilometres (11.7 mpg-imp; 9.76 mpg-US) in combined cycle.[citation needed] At full throttle, it uses more than 115 litres per 100 kilometres (2.46 mpg-imp; 2.05 mpg-US), which would empty its 100 litres (22.0 imp gal; 26.4 US gal) fuel tank in just 12 minutes.

so just stop that nonsense, of ALL super cars running more efficient than the average family sedan.

 

But see I USE my computer to it's fullest, probably only a handful of people actually use their super cars to the max. Other than to the MAX fuel consumption.

 

How stubborn do you have to be to not want understand the concept of fun? Why did I buy a BMW 118d with less space, slightly cramped driving positition (I've got too long legs...), bugger all boot space and absolutely homosexual Run-Flat tires? Cause it's more fun than your stupid Gee-Whiz or whatever the hell those craptacular electric cars are called! I could have gotten a Toyota Prius for that money, uhh you will say, it's nice and efficient hybrid rubbish. But it's absolutely inefficient for anything else other than city driving! See the Top Gear test.

 

I don't run premium, nor do I run gasoline. I run a 4-pot diesel, turbocharged, that gets me over 35MPG when I thrash it down the Autobahn in excess of 120mph (200km/h). Now if I somehow got sick and started driving sensibly (god beware!), I would be getting over 50MPG, they even fitted the damn thing with brake energy regeneration and a Start/Stop Automatic thingamajigg.

 

People who are still people not eco activists like you buy cars because of emotion, they go into the showroom and look at that car and think I gotta have one! That's what happened with me for the Beamer, it happened like that to Jack with his two Focuses and it happens to millions of people every day. It's human goddamn nature, end of argument!

 

You don't want design? You want relevance to usefulness? Fine, have one of these:

I am not hating on your car or diesel for that matter, but I still have to lol that you're comparing diesel to gas. Of course you get better mileage than me, if you didn't something's seriously wrong. I'm running good old 87 octane gas (or petrol as you euros like callin' it). I really don't think you'd miss your bimmer if you got in the seat of an electric car.

 

I don't see anything wrong with your choice in your car because it is a very rational one, you bought a car that perfectly matches your needs, you didn't get a van or suv for driving just you to where you need to go.

 

You're unnecessarily bashing electric motors, if you were to have a diesel and electric hybrid you would almost never have to fill up and may have even better power yet.

 

Diesel-Electrics would be much better than gas-electrics and I think for the short term, this is the direction they need to move in.

 

I rarely stop to look at a car but 2 days ago I had to stop and look at a Dodge Challenger sitting on a car lot. Had the dealership been open I may have bought it right then and there. Not too fuel efficient or ecologically responsible but I couldn't care less. It was just damn sexy in my eyes.

 

Hell the power plant that provides my electricity is a coal burner chugging out thick black smoke. If I made them burn more coal to supply an eco-car how responsible would that really be?

 

I'm not taking either side of this argument because I don't really have a dog in this fight and will likely never drive a car that costs more than $40,000.

If you're rich, you should be running off of complete solar energy or some other entirely infinite energy source (since money isn't an issue). Most likely if you can afford an electric car, than you can afford to run off solar/wind/tidal/geothermal/hydro etc.

 

I'm not saying electric tech is affordable but I think rich people oughta put their money in the better hat.

[rourkchris]

I wish I were rich. I've been shopping for land to build a home on down the road-small plot maybe 10 acres. Rural land in my area is decently priced. It will use a thermal pump for heat and solar/wind for electricity. I'll use an atmospheric generator for drinking water. I'd like to live off the grid and only pay property taxes and internet as expenses. Maybe in 5-10 years. But in the meantime where would the electricity for a battery powered car come from? Coal. I just see alot of people advocating these cars with no thought as to where the electricity comes from. I'm far too lazy to do the research and see if the payoff would be more carbon neutral.

[IVIYTH0S]

... But in the meantime where would the electricity for a battery powered car come from? Coal. I just see alot of people advocating these cars with no thought as to where the electricity comes from. I'm far too lazy to do the research and see if the payoff would be more carbon neutral.

I believe I read some where that a car ran by electricity derived from coal is still more efficient than one driving off of gas itself. (though diesel may or may not distort this, if not turn the tables).

 

I know where the electricity comes from but that's another thing the world has to do, we need to move away from coal and just plunge some money into the good green stuff. I'm going to hopefully be researching and developing solar cells after college.

 

It really bugs me that every home built from now on doesn't come with solar. What's $50,000 more on a $700,000 dollar house?? It'd be such a small increase in the mortgage, not to mention it'd be offset in the lack of energy bill.

Edited November 17, 2009 by IVIYTH0S

[rourkchris]

I think the infrastructure is coming. In my area there was a soyben biofuel plant built a year ago. Still not fully completed but it will be soon.

[Crazy_Nate]

I think the infrastructure is coming. In my area there was a soyben biofuel plant built a year ago. Still not fully completed but it will be soon.

 

I wish we had more biodiesel in this area. It's pretty out of my way to even get B20... yuck.

 

+1 for living off the grid, perhaps someday I'm finishing up my graduate degree with windpower (mechanical engineering)

 

 

Solar doesn't have to be PV...you can get plenty use out of solar thermal - hot water preheat, ventilation, direct heating.

[rourkchris]

I get that, it would just take too long and be another thread entirely to write out all of my plans.

 

IVI I wasn't implying that you didn't know where electricity comes from. I was just saying that little thought comes into the economic/ecological cost of electrical production when discussing electric cars. No offence intended.

[Crazy_Nate]

I get that, it would just take too long and be another thread entirely to write out all of my plans.

 

Don't worry, my comment wasn't aimed at you (I have plans, too ).

 

It's really simple to utilize good insulation and large south facing windows (double or triple pane, of course). It pains me to see cheaply built housing developments cropping up everywhere. Unfortunately, the minor up front cost is pretty deterrent to the developers (after all, they have to make as much money as possible). Ugh.

 

 

In other news, I'm thoroughly impressed by how fast the Veyron can empty it's tank. A rough guestimation for my car would be about 2 hours (20.5 gallons * 15 miles / gallon / 125 miles / hour). Ouch.

[rourkchris]

I'm getting about 11MPG right now. It kills me but I couldn't live where I do without it (that and it was my dream car). Even if I bought another vehicle I'd keep my truck.

 

I'd like to see new homes built with thermal pumps for heating/cooling. I believe they can run on small solar panels to run the pump and keep the temps at 68F year-round. No air conditioning or heater expense. It would pay for itself over the life of an average mortgage in utility savings.

[IVIYTH0S]

I wish we had more biodiesel in this area. It's pretty out of my way to even get B20... yuck.

 

+1 for living off the grid, perhaps someday I'm finishing up my graduate degree with windpower (mechanical engineering)

 

 

Solar doesn't have to be PV...you can get plenty use out of solar thermal - hot water preheat, ventilation, direct heating.

yeah of course, did you ever see something called the "solar tower" that was designed in I think australia.

 

On top of creating electricity it could sustain exotic plant growth at it's base since it would simulate a green house to the air molecules and then with have the air (with the aid the hot air wanting to go upwards) force it self up a rather tall cylinder all while meeting resistance from generators and would create electricity. It was pretty neat and how that project is going.

 

 

And Chris, why not swap out the powerplant in your beloved it truck so that it is more efficient or make it a project EV/biodiesel. So it's image could live on but with a lessened carbon footprint. (unless it's current motor is part of it's character that you wish to keep around.)

 

The house I live in with my parents has solar panels dedicated to water heating, it really helps out in the utility bills. I far exceed the implementation in my home when I get my own. Other than electricity production, I know solar pool heaters REALLY cut down utility bills too (though being as we don't have a pool, our solar water heater isn't as robust )

Edited November 17, 2009 by IVIYTH0S

[rourkchris]

If I changed the engine it would change it's soul. As it stands now I've yet to find anything it can't pull. I had a car break down and towed it. My buddy steering the car got nervous and had the brakes to the floor while we were doing 55MPH down the highway and I couldn't tell that he had the brakes on. In 4W low I've yet to get stuck or have problems with deep mud or ice. Besides there is nothing I can't stand more than working on a vehicle.

[IVIYTH0S]

If I changed the engine it would change it's soul. As it stands now I've yet to find anything it can't pull. I had a car break down and towed it. My buddy steering the car got nervous and had the brakes to the floor while we were doing 55MPH down the highway and I couldn't tell that he had the brakes on. Besides there is nothing I can't stand more than working on a vehicle.

Yeah I figured that, I just parted with my Jeep Cherokee and it had all those traits. (almost hit 200K miles) but then it got in a front end collision. Me and my friend rebuilt the front end and made a custom bumper but I got a more efficient car (stick shift too) and my love for the Jeep wavered (as I was also tired of feeding it for pizza delivery). If I were to offroad it more than I did (as I maybe took it offroad 3 times a year max), I'd probably still have it. As long as you're using your truck to it's fullest that's all one can really ask for. The good part is it was sold to a friend's b/f so I'll still be able to see it around

[Silverfox]

Yeah but it never actually said where. I assumed it was just a car that took part in the race, and that didn't happen in the track.

 

Poorer people can't afford to invest their money in the better technology, believe me, I would if I could. Why shouldn't the rich help out the world?? Getting a bit crapitalist with that statement??

They shouldn't be penalized but what is the point of getting a super car, when one won't drive it and push it to the limits it's designed to handle. It's ridiculous.

 

The atom example was meant for the track, where the bugatti should stay. Yeah of course the Atom would be banned lol, they'd be afraid the super cars might get beat in turns

 

The average supercar is certainly not putting out less greenhouse gases than your average car, since the bugatti is the center of attention I'll let CTRL-V do the talking

 

so just stop that nonsense, of ALL super cars running more efficient than the average family sedan.

 

But see I USE my computer to it's fullest, probably only a handful of people actually use their super cars to the max. Other than to the MAX fuel consumption.

 

 

I am not hating on your car or diesel for that matter, but I still have to lol that you're comparing diesel to gas. Of course you get better mileage than me, if you didn't something's seriously wrong. I'm running good old 87 octane gas (or petrol as you euros like callin' it). I really don't think you'd miss your bimmer if you got in the seat of an electric car.

 

I don't see anything wrong with your choice in your car because it is a very rational one, you bought a car that perfectly matches your needs, you didn't get a van or suv for driving just you to where you need to go.

 

You're unnecessarily bashing electric motors, if you were to have a diesel and electric hybrid you would almost never have to fill up and may have even better power yet.

 

Diesel-Electrics would be much better than gas-electrics and I think for the short term, this is the direction they need to move in.

 

 

If you're rich, you should be running off of complete solar energy or some other entirely infinite energy source (since money isn't an issue). Most likely if you can afford an electric car, than you can afford to run off solar/wind/tidal/geothermal/hydro etc.

 

I'm not saying electric tech is affordable but I think rich people oughta put their money in the better hat.

 

1) If it happened on the track, it is a track record.

 

2) Capitalist statement? Stop being obtuse and narrow minded. It's society that should seek to improve itself as a whole, not just the rich nor the poor. By placing the burden solely on the rich, you give every incentive for those individuals to move their assets to tax havens and contribute very little to the country of origin.

 

If I can run 100m in 11 seconds, why the hell should I navigate life at that speed, just because I can? It's utterly absurd and your argument that supercars must be driven to their full potential all the time is a farce. And absolute stinking farce and you KNOW it. You are simply arguing for the sake of it.

 

So tell me, again after I ask, what makes the Atom more versatile than a Bugatti? Don't gloss over it ... answer it. The Caterham and Ariel will be banned against regular cars because they are clearly a more 'open wheel' class like Formula 3000 and F3 etc. I wouldn't be fussed about the fact they are super quick - you just fail monumentally with your statement on versatility. The more you ignore/argue, the more you fail.

 

3) Read my statement again. A supercar over its lifetime (note: LIFETIME) will put out less greenhouse gases than the average family sedan. This is irrefutable fact I'm afraid. Family sedan does say, 200'000km in a lifetime ... do you think a supercar is ever going to even get to half of that?

 

Nope. Hence why the average family banger will be putting out more fumes - it does more miles. Yes if the supercar did 200k miles, it'd put out more per mile, but people don't drive cars like that every day for the commute to work, as they are not as VERSATILE as one might think. Less so in an Ariel, but you don't see that, do you?

 

4) I'm bashing electric for one reason that people are overlooking - the actual use of fossil fuels required to charge a car at the moment is proven to be quite wasteful. Much like biodiesel started off as a great idea, until 3rd world countries were starting to have more food shortages, as crops were being grown for diesel rather than food, as it was more profitable.

 

5) Your assumptions for the rich and what they "should" be doing, are quite frankly, disgraceful and smacks of a cavalier attitude. I'd be keen to see where you are getting these rather crass statements from, as I would be keen to flick through 'The Guide to Directing Rich People', as I intend to be a wealthy person inside the next five years at the current rate of progress in my career.

 

Seriously man - you are digging holes rather deep now and I'm starting to feel embarrassed for you. I'll take bets as to how long before we see this on failblog.