InCrYsIs Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Well, I was never in favor of this bill or just about any other bill the government has passed in recent years. If you sit and read this thing or at least read the pages constituional lawyers have flaged for you, this is a huge pile of crap, invasion of privacy and another means of moving this country toward tyranny and oppression. I am really disappointed in this country. America just might be coming to an end. I am just disgusted today. They call it Obamacare. That is inaccurate. This has nothing to do with him. He is a puppet pushing an agenda. This is a straight up global elitist agenda. Mark my words here and now. Guns are next. Thoughts? Edited June 28, 2012 by InCrYsIs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Capitan Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 You're entitled to your opinion, but what specifics of the bill do you oppose, rather than flaming the bill as a whole and inciting a possible flame war in this thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCrYsIs Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) You're entitled to your opinion, but what specifics of the bill do you oppose, rather than flaming the bill as a whole and inciting a possible flame war in this thread? The most prominent lawsuit--filed by thirteen state attorneys general--argues that the legislation is simply beyond Congress’s constitutional powers. That argument focuses on the “individual mandate,” that is, the requirement that every US citizen and legal resident purchase health insurance or face a tax penalty. That penalty starts at $95 in 2014, ramping up to $695 in 2016. Article One of the Constitution delegates certain specific powers to Congress; these are sometimes referred to as the “enumerated powers.” Also, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution states that those powers not delegated to Congress are reserved to the States and the People. The attorneys general point out that health care isn’t one of the enumerated powers of Congress and, therefore, the power to regulate health care is reserved to the states under the Tenth Amendment. There are also points in there referring to on the fly access to you financial standing, chipped ID cards etc. This is all I am posting. Do your own research. Edited June 28, 2012 by InCrYsIs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas13013 Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 well given the first 3 posts, I'm gonna sit this one out and watch the fires burn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sgamer Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Its really not smart to not have health insurance anyway. If I didn't have health insurance when I was diagnosed type 1 diabetic, I'd really be in the hole now. My medical supplies include blood testers, test strips & lancet needles, syringes, insulin, etc that is all extremely expensive without insurance. You never know whats going to happen, its best to be covered. I don't know if congress has the right to make a mandate for it, but I'm saying you're taking a huge risk if you're not insured. Edited June 28, 2012 by 90sgamer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onion Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 well given the first 3 posts, I'm gonna sit this one out and watch the fires burn. This. I wish I could use emoticons on the mobile version of occ. The time is right for that popcorn one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathmineral Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 Its really not smart to not have health insurance anyway. If I didn't have health insurance when I was diagnosed type 1 diabetic, I'd really be in the hole now. My medical supplies include blood testers, test strips & lancet needles, syringes, insulin, etc that is all extremely expensive without insurance. You never know whats going to happen, its best to be covered. I don't know if congress has the right to make a mandate for it, but I'm saying you're taking a huge risk if you're not insured. I personally am already half dead and my employer offers the worst kind of health insurance, so having the government force me to get health insurance will put in the hole no matter what. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengiant912 Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 I find it interesting that the most conservative justice, Chief Justice Roberts, upheld the law... The Supreme Court is supposed to be above the political party divide in this country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas13013 Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 ^^ doesn't that prove that they are? People from both sides of the isle voted to uphold it, if I understand what you said correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_bowtie Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 it was Upheld but as a TAX with provisions for States to opt out of the Medicare provisions... the tax is 1% of your income with provisions for low income and other issues to also opt out.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Capitan Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 I live in the best/worst of both worlds. Romneycare in Taxachusetts, and Obamacare in Americachusetts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3bruts1d Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 it was Upheld but as a TAX with provisions for States to opt out of the Medicare provisions... the tax is 1% of your income with provisions for low income and other issues to also opt out.... They said it could work as a tax... however, the law was not written as a tax. What does it mean? Does congress need to rewrite the law? Does it need to be reviewed by the GAO/OC to be implemented as a tax? The USSC also threw out the medicare part, which was a key point in funding it. Then there was the funky line from Judge Roberts about it being a tax, but one that did not have to be paid. What does that mean? There were other comments that sounded like they thought it should be left up to the state. This just raised too many questions (IMO) and will be a week or more before we really have a firm grasp as to what the ruling meant. I don't know if this was really a win for anyone yet. The law itself had some nice provisions in it, but they could have been implemented through regulation of the Insurance and medical industries. The key problems many people have is (1) the mandate, (2) the law itself is unfinished, (3) the financial burden this would cause, (4) the depth and reach of the law, (5) the way the law was pushed by Pelosi/Obama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now