AGP not enough card? Think again

[Guest shaolin95]

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but you'd have to prove this to me something serious (and we are talking same cpu speed, memory, etc, just a 6600GT vs anything better) because I have 6600GT's and I have 6800 and 7800 cards and there is absolutely, positively, no possible way that a 6600GT (8 pipe, 128-bit bus, 128MB) will EVER beat a 6800GT (16 pipe, 256-bit bus, 256MB).

 

Not in agp, not in pci-e, not in anything.

 

if you try to compare a 1600Mhz cpu with 6800GT and a 2600Mhz cpu with a 6600GT then sure I suppose but that is not a valid comparison at all and should not even be brought up.

 

and there are NO drivers on earth that will make a 6600GT faster than a 6800GT or better.

 

none. (I can test this all day long with 754, 939, AGP, PCI-E, etc if you wish)

Thats what I have been saying for the last few posts! :nod: If anyone has a driver that make a 6600gt beat a 6800gt everything else been the same, then I will call him "GOD". It aint gonna happen and all that talk about bandwidth and whatever our friend here was testing is very confusing for noobs that maybe reading this and will actually think that with some vodoo magic a 6600gt beats a higher end video card

[sailindawg]

If anyone has a driver that make a 6600gt beat a 6800gt everything else been the same, then I will call him "GOD"

 

:shake:

[NEOAethyr]

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but you'd have to prove this to me something serious (and we are talking same cpu speed, memory, etc, just a 6600GT vs anything better) because I have 6600GT's and I have 6800 and 7800 cards and there is absolutely, positively, no possible way that a 6600GT (8 pipe, 128-bit bus, 128MB) will EVER beat a 6800GT (16 pipe, 256-bit bus, 256MB).

 

Not in agp, not in pci-e, not in anything.

 

if you try to compare a 1600Mhz cpu with 6800GT and a 2600Mhz cpu with a 6600GT then sure I suppose but that is not a valid comparison at all and should not even be brought up.

 

and there are NO drivers on earth that will make a 6600GT faster than a 6800GT or better.

 

none. (I can test this all day long with 754, 939, AGP, PCI-E, etc if you wish)

 

 

Dude I can't test it now.

Just a min ago I had my rig so bad where it was shutting down whenever I tried to run mbm.

Apperently as ceramic only lasts about 3 months for me.

This was at 1.45v 2.1ghz :.

 

Anyways I'll dig up my last year's pic for now, later on sometime I can post a new 03 and 05 score.

Gotta re upload it I guess...

 

Crap I got explorer exiting on me just seaching for it .

I can't even search for it dude.

I have to back down somewhat.

 

I'll just re-run 3dmark03 and 05 as is, but the speed won't be great, I should still hit 5k+ on 05 and 11k+ on 03 though.

Brb.

 

 

Btw, thanks for reccomending me that ocz powerstream :.

I've had so many probs with that thing .

I can't even make due with it.

 

 

Edit:

Here you go...

It's only 03 @ 640x480x32.

I did'nt want to stree my card that much at the moment.

It was glitch city.

 

The more errors I run into the more damage I do.

I'm gonna redo the gel on the card and clean it off in a little bit here.

To see if I can't get it back to normal.

 

Normal clocks are 575 and 1350 :.

As you can see I backed it down, I did this some time ago after I got the ocz...

Anyways the score totally blew .

 

I was 200fps less in one area of gt1.

I lost half my fps in gt4 in one area.

Avging 10fps lower, to 200 fps lower.

Ohwell though, 10900 is'nt that bad, it should show you what I'm capable of.

I can do alot better though...

I wish my rig was working decently, been like this since the end of dec.

I'm still fighting it though.

 

Anyways catch you guys later.

Maybe I can post more benchs later on if you still don't blive me.

Under 11k isnt enough to beat a good 6800u.

Kinda pethetic :.

 

Still I ran this at a higher detail then anyone else.

Laters.

[albumleaf]

NEOAethyr, try running at a resolution that might ACTUALLY STRESS YOUR VIDEO CARD and maybe you'll realize how incredibly delusional you are.

[NEOAethyr]

Omg dude I just told you I could'nt right now, you have to wait a few days.

[Angry_Games]

lol honestly NEO, I like ya a lot...but you can give up now trying to show anyone that a 6600GT will beat a 6800GT, let alone a 6800Ultra

 

because it just isn't going to happen

 

you must run all benchmarks in the same resolution before anything else, or your scores will be null and void

 

and you honestly need to be at teh same speed cpu

 

if you do not have a 6800GT or better, I will test my 6800GT PCI-E on either the 939 dual channel board, or my trust NF4X Infinity 754 pci-e board

 

either way, there's no possible way in the world a 6600GT will beat a 6800GT

 

8 pipe vs 16 pipe

 

128-bit memory interface vs 256-bit memory interface

 

128MB BGA RAM vs 256MB BGA RAM

 

it just aint gonna happen dude

 

save yourself some face and admit it or all of these guys are going to never really be able to trust anything you say after we prove to you that it just ain't gonna happen...

[NEOAethyr]

Thanks AG for your kind words dude .

 

Well, there was a dude in the 32bit setion that ran his oc'ed 6800gt and we compared.

At 1st was at 1024x768, he back it down to 640x480 to match mine.

 

I run at 640x480 to get the max scores and all...

Since 3dmark's are hard enough to run as it is you know?

 

Anyways mine was only a few 100 off at that time(I'm worng here).

I think my score was 11200 at the time(Again wrong).

His was like 11800 I think(Lol wrong).

I will go re-look them up to make sure.

My old screen is'nt up anymore though :(Yep it is lol).

 

From what I saw off the web, around 12000 was a 6800u, oc'ed.

 

I was pretty darn close.

 

Also I run -15 mip bais, the dude that was comparing I think said he lost over 2k on 03 when he tried using that.

I only gained I think 500 though when I set mine to 0, probably driver related or something.

 

For one, I did not mean for this to become a . contest lol.

I was only talking about bandwith, saying I beat a 7800 on pci-e.

I meant in bandwith, bus bandwith, not the card's horsepower .

I did not mean it to look like that.

 

However I did state, I think, that I saw someone somewhat recently post some screens on a lpb, 250x10 I think, with a 7800gs.

His screens were not that great, some seemed even less then mine, gt4 was defently higher on his though.

 

Anyways I will go look up the specifics on that other thing...

 

 

Oh I attached a capture of my score once, was 11k, but not like I thaugt it was...

 

The thread, long one...

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread...9&page=14&pp=15

 

My post:

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.p...3&postcount=202

 

Right afterwards is Clay's post.

The dude I was comparing with at the time.

 

Here's his post about what happened when he tried jumping up the detail:

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.p...7&postcount=208

 

I told him how to change the mip bais to -15.

It's not the only thing that can effect details but it's the most drastic setting.

I was interested to compare with somewhat equal detail lv's.

 

Now that I re-read his post though I noticed he did'nt say what res he ran at, where he lost 2k in score.

I would assume 1024x768, which his last 6800gt run was at.

His 6600gt run was at 640x480 along with mine.

 

So we never did compare directly I guess.

 

I will try for the 1024x768 run in a little while here anyways.

Maybe tomarrow.

I just redid my heatsink and such on my card, lapped it slightly more(dirty sandpaper though, old stuff).

Got it started up at 32c, now at 33c, that is'nt bad for air .

 

Like I said a little bit ago, I did'nt want to run at a higher res at the time because of stablity issues with my card.

I may beable to run that now, but I'll hold off for the moment and let it break in a tad 1st.

 

Anyways guys I meant bandwith.

Agp bandwith is'nt bad at all if you oc it a bit, you probably don't even need to.

And it's not like any games these days really need it.

The only thing I've seen jump up alot with higher agp speed is ut2k4.

Just the intro, funny how the cmd rate thing hits that same spot too.

[Candymancan]

I never thought agp wasnt enough.

 

My computer can runs all the latest games like BF2 @ 1280x960 All details on highest possible with 4xAA 8xAF.. In BF2 i get about 40-50fps average.

 

I havent done 3dmark in over a year back in 04, but i ran 3dmark05 just for fun and i almost got 6100.

 

There is no way youre 6600GT will get near my score, now maybe if you keep running @ 640x480 resolution lol, but not @ 1024x768 resolution which i run all my tests on.

 

I think for kicks, i will run 3dmark03 @ 640x480 and see what i get

 

I checked my highest score which was back in 2004 on 03 was 13800. Which was one of the highest single 6800GT's and still is if you dont count the cpu's overclocked to 2800 mhz or something, 03 is slightly cpu/mem based

[The.Student]

PCI-E is a gimmick, it is not truely implemented in any hardware or software environments, just like AGP X8 that was a gimmick too...

 

Its proven that most if not all games only make use of AGP 3.1 speeds and not even the full speed of 4X, in comparison PCI-E boasts upto a 16X bus speed, it would be good to see a benchmark of the actual buses that they are raving on about.

 

I read somewhere that typically the PCI-E set up only uses between 6X and 8X speed of the available 16*, now I will have to look that atricle up........

 

PCI-E is a gimmick now, but will be the future of gaming platforms to come, as it is still considetred a new and forthcoming technology...

 

And for all you people on here that want to start flaming about my comments on this matter, let me just remind you what I am talking about ! ! ! BUS SPEEDS and NOT the differences between the AGP and PCI-E GFX CARDS

 

*Note: based on single PCI-E gfx card not SLi enabled

[Candymancan]

o i agree, agp 4x over agp 8x was less than 1% speed increase was proven along time ago

[vector7]

Let's see some 7800GS CO benchmarks please

I'm very interested.

JC

 

Yesterday I couldn’t resist going by BB and grabbed the BFG 7800GS-OC for a test-drive. So last night I ran 3DMark2K1-03 and Aquamark. I didn’t have 05 or 06 handy. I was able to OC the card with the stock cooler to 488/750. I tried to get 490 stable but it wouldn’t do but the ram had plenty of room to go up. I put it against my X850 XT to see how it would compare. I ran them only overclocked as I wanted to see what a higher clocked G70 core would benchmark on the UT250 with the Newark.

 

I compared the cards in the exact same environment as follows:

DFI UT250

4000+ Newark

305*10=3050MHz @ 1.55v

SLK 948U

2-512MB OCZ400512ELGEVX @ 3.20v

Cas2 10-2-2-2 12-16 1T 166

AGP Bus: 70

WinXP

 

The cards were run at there highest stable OC.

X850XT: OC 560/648

BFG7800GS-OC: OC 488/750

 

3DMark2K1SE

X850 XT 560/648

 

7800GS 488/750

 

 

3DMark03

X850 XT 560/648

 

7800GS 488/750

 

Aquamark

X850 XT 560/648

 

7800GS 488/750

 

Looking at these numbers I believe the 7800GS will do better at 3Dmark05-06 than the XT850. But at $374.00 would it be worth keeping?

v7

[CPDMF]

Ouch! I'm sure it's already back in the box and heading back to bb V7.