NineBall Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 I want to explain better what I did in trying to get the 705 to work for me. I read everybodys attempts at this and tried everything and every combination with a total of about 30 reboots. First, in 705 , are the voltages off in the bios for anybody. I mean significantly different than the 602. Second, why would load optimized defaults with all "its" changes be acceptable yet changing say the "graphics search order vga/pci" cause it not to post? For example, optimized defaults changes from 2T to 1T (for me). If I don't do anything after reset cmos, and keep booting it posts. If I change just 1 thing 1T, no post, no beep. Yeah how is that? Loading optimized defaults changes a ton of stuff. Pretty weird huh? Did: load optimized defaults, reboot, enable raid (1 item), reboot -- no post Did: load optimized defaults, enable raid, set sata 2, disable sata, reboot, posts, press F10, the array is recognized, reboot, put scsi first on boot order, reboot -- no post. And I tried to do the little stuff after that, like LOD, reboot, disable serial port, reboot -- no post... and it went on like that for along time. I think there is something done in "loading optimized defaults" that is not a bios settable item. dfi's got the worst programmers in the world i guess... Btw, writing a bios is not that tough since by now its all template code with all the timings controlled by static tables that vary from chipset-chipset board-board. The actual source code is done in C/C++ with table tweak, compile, burn, test... rinse/repeat. Dfi must have severe management problems that a fire can't be lit under Freds butt to do this right. The real problem is the turnaround time to make a tweak, flash the proto board, test. And when you have the permutations of all the timings available now in mem speed, to test everyone is a pain. But still man, you need only deal with ranges of timings/voltages, it aint that tough to get in the general ballpark. Even still this bois can't adjust to the simplest of things, like saving cmos and booting ok with NON-TIMING things like ahhh... boot agp first. Jeez! If the source c/c++ is public, then its alot easier to write a custom one since u an ide. But if not and you have to disassemble and construct into an assembler, (reverse engineer) then its alot tougher. I think some guys named TicTac and Trats do that. All they do is to adjust the tables, not the core logic of the bios code. To do that you need the source. Back on 602 at 2.6g, 230 mem 1:1, nforce 6.37 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelsHaven Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Anyone know if the DRAM 200 option still causes problems with 705? I'm running 200 now instead of "Auto".... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinker0 Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 does running 200 instead of auto seem like any difference to you Yeah I thank you OLD G when i placed my order my buddy assured me they would be Winbond UTTS.... I was also told by sources I cant reveil.. and by reading around the web that the TCCD chips may be discontinued... But Know how rumors are... Like the weather, never know till you go outside and look up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NineBall Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 This board is all over the place, i don't think they can fix it. No bios is going to fix any of this. Anybody here who would be willing to risk "burning" dual layer dvd movies with this board? I'm not talking about wild over clocking here. The hardware is defective, period! Some here have actually put 705 bios in their sig with smiley faces. Shouldn't this be something we should all be pulling for. I mean, why should a released bios not post man? Usually released bios are for the masses. If it doesent work its a defective board. Its a hardware problem. The damn thing can never be trusted, ever. No bios fix will cure any of it. The stupedest simplest of things like saving cmos setting doesen't work on the latest released bios!!! Get the crap over it, the damn board is never ever gonna run right ever..... because its a hardware problem!!! Lets get some organization en masse to get some answers as to where it goes from here: - When the hardwares fixed, are we or are we not going to get a free upgrade???? - Whats the hardware "fix" status as it stands now ??? - (add urs here) - (add urs here) NB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelsHaven Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 does running 200 instead of auto seem like any difference to you.......... I don't see any difference.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesteronyer6 Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 @ NineBall What do you mean by "Risk burning dual layer DVD movies"? Like getting a BSOD and coastering a five dollar DVD? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NineBall Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 @ NineBall What do you mean by "Risk burning dual layer DVD movies"? Like getting a BSOD and coastering a five dollar DVD? Yeah, but its more like $6-7 with shipping/tax for Verbatim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dssconsumer Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 This board is all over the place, i don't think they can fix it.No bios is going to fix any of this. Anybody here who would be willing to risk "burning" dual layer dvd movies with this board? I'm not talking about wild over clocking here. The hardware is defective, period! Some here have actually put 705 bios in their sig with smiley faces. Shouldn't this be something we should all be pulling for. I mean, why should a released bios not post man? Usually released bios are for the masses. If it doesent work its a defective board. Its a hardware problem. The damn thing can never be trusted, ever. No bios fix will cure any of it. The stupedest simplest of things like saving cmos setting doesen't work on the latest released bios!!! Get the crap over it, the damn board is never ever gonna run right ever..... because its a hardware problem!!! Lets get some organization en masse to get some answers as to where it goes from here: - When the hardwares fixed, are we or are we not going to get a free upgrade???? - Whats the hardware "fix" status as it stands now ??? - (add urs here) - (add urs here) NB i am running X2 4400 (rev.E) and 705 bios doesn't work for me either. i know that this core have the ability to work with 100 133 166 200 233 and 266 mem deviders. writing a bios for this core responds to a new code implemented in the mem controller. the 602 bios is most likely basic universal bios for the rev.E and the older cores. the 705 bios is optimised for the older cores that most of us are running. writing a new working bios is knowledge about the new code. as we see the new deviders are simply not coded in the bios. there is a hope dough, there is a hope that DFI will finaly look in the AMD's specs and will create a totaly new bios that will at least cover the basic requirements of the new revision E cores including venice, san diego, manchester and toledo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NineBall Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 i am running X2 4400 (rev.E) and 705 bios doesn't work for me either. i know that this core have the ability to work with 100 133 166 200 233 and 266 mem deviders. writing a bios for this core responds to a new code implemented in the mem controller. the 602 bios is most likely basic universal bios for the rev.E and the older cores. the 705 bios is optimised for the older cores that most of us are running. writing a new working bios is knowledge about the new code. as we see the new deviders are simply not coded in the bios. there is a hope dough, there is a hope that DFI will finaly look in the AMD's specs and will create a totaly new bios that will at least cover the basic requirements of the new revision E cores including venice, san diego, manchester and toledo. Thats good to know comsumer. I think though your speeking in the perfect world of "no hardware problems". All, and I mean all of the voltages/temps sensors on this board which have nothing to do with any specific chip are dead wrong and wildly disparent between 602/705. If sensors voltage/temps had nothing to do with timing tables I might agree with u that its a bios thing. However you couldn't be further from the reality. There is "basic" hardware problems with this board that "interfere" with the ideal bios tables, period!! This is the problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 @NineBall I virtually went through the same procedure that you did although I am not running Raid. Hell I could not even set the time and date without it not booting,this is without touching anything else!! Something is seriously screwy with this board/bios.Some sort of proper official response would be nice but it seems that we are left holding our wangs lol. J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terror_adagio Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Well, aside from the incorrect VCORE/TEMP settings, this BIOS is completely stable and fast for me. I even got to 245x11, which I could load before in Windows, but games would crash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NineBall Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 ........response would be nice but it seems that we are left holding our wangs lol. J I think u have proper grasp of the situation now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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