TheGeekMistress Posted January 29, 2006 Posted January 29, 2006 Are you saying that even with my ocz booster that I am only getting 3.15 ? i wouldn't know about that for sure, but, IMHO, the booster has it's on circuitry on it and i would assume that the mosfet power conditioner and the caps that are on there to store amps, would allow you over 3.1vmem from your power supply. specially since it's most likely taking it juice off the 12v+ line and not the 3,3v+ line TGM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadugger Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 lol thats funny .that bh-5 is all Angry Games uses and Loves I actually bought this ram because of reading angry's posts. The ram is actually doing what it is rated at and more. The problem is it hates both sticks at extreme overclocks. I have taken off the ocz booster and am now running 1 stick at the same 232x13 2-2-2-5 same as before but with less voltage 3.1 prime stable. Did the booster burn it in for me or something ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shaolin95 Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 lol thats funny .that bh-5 is all Angry Games uses and Loves I totally agree. I used to own TCCD for my nf3 and now use BH5 and there is no going back at least for the NF3. The OCZ VX performs much better than TCCD without needing high FSB which is very nice since my NC 3400 doesnt have a very good mem controller when running more than 1 stick of memory. I will recommend BH5 over TCCD for NF3 any day unless you cant deliver the needed voltage that is. Maybe the 4000 CPU here has a better mem controller but still for me tight timings are the better choice. Regards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGeekMistress Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 how come AG had that thread about timings don't matter, it's all about cpu frequency b/c the mem controller is in the cpu, then? he already proved the memory bandwidth is a moot point with that chart he did. so my G.Skill and the XP4000 Redline both run tight timings at 250mhz or less; mine ran 2.0-2-2-2-5-1T at 236mhz on my nf2/mobile system. for me, the added bonus is, that the TCCD doesn't require high voltage to go sky high on the mem bus. i dare say that 232~250 with 2-2-2-5-1T has higher system lats than 290 with between 2.5-4-4-8 (rated specs) and 2.5-3-2-5-2T that i've been told is do-able, and has been done, on this mobo with good TCCD mem sticks. TGM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shaolin95 Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 Just to have an idea from my own tests, 250 FSB @ 2-2-2-5 (OCZ PC4000VX) is faster than 295@ 2.5-3-3-x (Patriot XBL). I guess the choice depends on what your mem controller can do. But I have seen it in basically every software I have....BH5 performs better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGeekMistress Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 shaolin95, faster in system bandwidth? or quicker in system latency? i'm not knocking BH5 ...i have ran my Mushkin lvl II Black PCB BH5 2x256 for 2 1/2 years now. but when i wanted a gig of ram, only thing left was the TCCD. and i'm quite happy with it. doing up to 240 at 2.0-2-2-2-5-1T on an older nf2 chipset with it is awesome and having the option to go much, much, much higher on a nf3/4 chipset is a huge bonus. i'll never give up my BH5, but i've found a worthy oppentent in my G.Skill F1-3200DSU2-1GBLA PC3200 2.0-2-2-5-1T / PC4800 2.5-4-4-8-2T 2x512 gig kit. TGM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blooz1 Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 GM - You talkin' about your "LA's"? I'd love to have a set of those! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGeekMistress Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 GM - You talkin' about your "LA's"? I'd love to have a set of those! yuppers, i'm as happy with my LA's as i was with my old BH5's TGM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadugger Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 TheGeekMistress.... When you gettin the 4000 ? I sure would like to know how those G.Skills pair up. What's LA's ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGeekMistress Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 TheGeekMistress....When you gettin the 4000 ? I sure would like to know how those G.Skills pair up. What's LA's ? here's the post i made concerning my ram http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.p...5&postcount=157 i'll be ordering it when i get paid around the first of next month. and since it's an OEM and i have no HSF, i'll have to get my water cooling up and running for the very first time also. which means i have to order the NPT elbows i need for a fitting issue and i have to remove the metal trim "ring" around my X800's gpu core for proper pressure from the water block and grab some distilled water and Zerex also. so prolly by the middle of the month i'm expecting to have it up and running and possibly have figured out some of the mem settings. i've never ran this LP-UT NF3 250GB mobo b4; but i'll say this, it took me only two weeks to hit 260mhz on my then brand new DFI Ultra Infinity. so, my guess is around the middle of the month or so. LP said he'd help me out with the settings if need be as well. TGM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
learners permit Posted January 30, 2006 Posted January 30, 2006 Roger that GM. I got some tccd here too so we'll see what they can do when the time comes. Been wonderin about em anyway. They'd go to 225 at 2,2,2,5 on my old clawhammer so it should be interesting. Tccd uses some funky secondary timings tho but we'll try em out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGeekMistress Posted January 31, 2006 Posted January 31, 2006 gadugger, my ram on techpowerup is the Gskill PC4800 F1-3200DSU2-512LA/1GBLA here's the G.Skil Product page link http://www.gskill.com/f1-3200dsu2la.html here's a an overview of the LA, LB, LC, LD, and LD LA F1-3200DSU2-512LA / F1-3200DSU2-1GBLA PC4800(DDR600) 2T 2.5-4-4-8 / PC3200 2-2-2-5 (Dual channel) Samsung TCCD / 512MB kit (2x256MB) 1024MB kit (2x512MB) LB F1-3200DSU2-512LB / F1-3200DSU2-1GBLB PC4800(DDR600) 2T 2.5-4-4-8 / PC3200 2-3-3-6 (Dual channel) Samsung TCCD / 512MB kit (2x256MB) 1024MB kit (2x512MB) LC F1-3200DSU2-512LC / F1-3200DSU2-1GBLC PC4400(DDR550) 2.5-4-4-8 / PC3200 2-2-2-5 (Dual channel) Samsung TCCD / 512MB kit (2x256MB) 1024MB kit (2x512MB) LD F1-3200DSU2-512LD / F1-3200DSU2-1GBLD PC4400(DDR550) 2.5-4-4-8 / PC3200 2-3-3-6 (Dual channel) Samsung TCCD / 512MB kit (2x256MB) 1024MB kit (2x512MB) LE F1-3200DSU2-512LE / F1-3200DSU2-1GBLE PC4400(DDR550) 2.5-3-3-7 / PC3200 2-2-2-5 (Dual channel) Samsung TCCD / 512MB kit (2x256MB) 1024MB kit (2x512MB) now, all the DSU models are TCCD, other are TCC5 according to techpowerup. so you obviously want the TCCD's. also, the "gold" colored ram is only an anodized "gold colour" aluminum which ends up looking like an oragnish/yellowish colour. now as you see from the specs listed the DSU2-1GBLA is top of it's class. the being dual rated low latency ram. the DSU2-1GBLA runs 2-2-2-5-1T at 200+ and 2.5-4-4-8-2T at 300+ ...this was the original premis of using the Samsung TCCD chips; that it could run soo high of a bus but yet run DDR400 at the lowest timings just as everyone wanted with the BH5 2-2-2-5-1T. as you can see in specs the lower "L" rating the worse the timings are; so LA beign the best and LE being the worst. since many of the dual rated G.Skill ram is rated for DDR600+ i choose the model that also allowed for JEDEC rated PC3200 DDR400 2-2-2-5-1T as i'm am unsure if running a high 300 mem bus with slightly relaxed timings or a low 200 bus with really tight timings. reason being is that AG has shown that bandwidth isn't a real detirming factor in many large streaming apps, like video games. BUT, no testing has been done on memory resident apps, like IE or Photoshop, like the WinBench and Content Creation benchmarking suites provide data for. som i thought i'd cover both ends of the spectrum and then i could either run PC4800 DDR600 or PC3200 DDR400 both with pretty damn decent timings. about the FF and FX G.Skill ram, those were the first models to be released from G.Skill that could run a really high mem bus, but at the cost of low mem bus timings. as the TCCD revisions matured G.Skill and other companies started to offer 2-2-2 200mhz mem instead of 2-3-3 mem with best performance being at the top end of the ram. only problem is, back then it wasn't really known about the A64 architecture and since the mem bus (last gen nf2's FSB) is set at 3.2GB/s for 754's 800mhz FSB and the 4GB/s for 939 1000mhz FSB isn't affected by the HT Bus. basically the HT bus is for overclocking the core frequencies and for mem bus manipulation. this, in turn allows us to overclock the cpu core AND FSB at one time and use the HT/Mem bus for system latency manipulation. As you raise the cpu frequencies your mem speed changes as a fraction of the cpu mhz. so if you run at defualt 2.6ghz you take 2600mhz divide by 13 you get 200mhz mem bus; this is a 1:1 mem ratio for the mem controller in the core. but when you raise the core/mem controller frequencies and change the mem divider it's a division of the cpu frequency; 3200 now take a cpu/16 divider to run the mem bus at 200mhz. with our 800mhz FSB mem controller with it's 3.2GB/s limitation, anything we give the cpu over 3200mb/s in mem bandwidth, is useless. so what we want out of our mem now, is low system lats and bandwidth the match the limitation of the 800mhz core to mem controller FSB. hope this helps out TGM Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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