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#1 Aristotle

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Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:00 AM

Some basic info here.

ACLU's coverage of the event.

I can only hope things don't go from bad to worse...

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Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:38 AM

I hope it goes through. How man was created is not 100% proven fact so it is not right that schools teach only evolution as if it were an absolute fact but at the same time they shouldn't teach creation as absolute fact either. They should teach both theories and let the students decide for themselves.

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Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:46 AM

yes i feel the same way,i do not beleave in god or any higher powers but i do think they should teach both to open peoples eyes,school is not ment to be something where you go and just take everything someone says and make it fact, school is ment to teach you to think on your own.
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 05:50 AM

But when you look at a school as a public domain it is constitutionaly illegal to teach creationism because it is taken from a religeous belief. Evolution on the other hand is based on sound scientific evidence.
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 06:10 AM

go read your facts, creationism, they are not say GOD in general made us, just a higher power, this is censorship to the fullest, let people think for their crap self, yes creationism is a theory but guess what so is evolution, they are not opening up a bible and teaching ,why is it wrong for a teacher to say look Evolution is where science says we come from d but not everone beleaves in this some beleave in creationism,. really its sad to see so many shallow minded people, it just show who is able to think for them selfs and not have others do it for them
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 06:21 AM

go read your facts, creationism, they are not say GOD in general made us, just a higher power, this is censorship to the fullest, let people think for their crap self, yes creationism is a theory but guess what so is evolution, they are not opening up a bible and teaching ,why is it wrong for a teacher to say look Evolution is where science says we come from d but not everone beleaves in this some beleave in creationism,. really its sad to see so many shallow minded people, it just show who is able to think for them selfs and not have others do it for them

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What is the basis for creationist theory, where is the evidence? This is not about people being shallow minded, this is about protecting the founding principles of this republic. If creationism is taught to students in a public domain then the out constitutional principles mean nothing.
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 06:21 AM

Actually neither of them can either reach the rank of theory. Because neither can be reproduced. So scientificly they are both hypothesis. No evidence for either.
I agree that they should both be taught not as fact or even theory but hypothesis.

And on another note there is nothing in the constitution about seperation of church and state. The constitution says "There shall be no church state" I fail to see where this says you cant teach about religion in the school.
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 06:26 AM

Actually neither of them can either reach the rank of theory.  Because neither can be reproduced.  So scientificly they are both hypothesis.  No evidence for either.

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How can you say that? Have you never taken a biology class? And yes evolution can be reproduced. Why do you think the enfluenza virus recirculates every year? It is contantly evolving, changing its RNA structure to adapt to different antibodies. Just one small example.
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 06:30 AM

Your looking at micro evolution not macro evolution. A virus has yet to become something more complex.
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 06:32 AM

I'm with Dodobird on this one. since neither can be reproduced or seen diectly they both require a belief, a "faith" if you will.

And as to it being constitutional. The constitiotion says nothing as to "the seperation of church and state." that is a misquoted line from a private letter written by thomas jefferson to a friend. But once again dodobird is right, it refered to the State church, as in you were roman catholic or you weren't a citizen.

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Posted 26 September 2005 - 06:34 AM

Your looking at micro evolution not macro evolution.  A virus has yet to become something more complex.

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This an excuse for ignorance created by people who believe the creationist myth. Micro or macro, EVOLUTION is still in the name.
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Posted 26 September 2005 - 06:35 AM

I think we need to step back and think about the kids for a second.
Give them a break, it pisses them off enough that they have to learn
evolution as if they care in the first place but at least it makes sense.
Now we have religious right wingers playing the name game again
trying to force their beliefs down kids throats as if they need
anything else to study. If I was a kid and had to learn this crap
in school, I'd burn a bible every day after school just to keep
myself from slippen.