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Did you backtalk a bobby this morning again, markie?

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Say what?!?!

 

Since when did you become such a programming nazi KB?  Your parents may have to get you a new hat collection because your head seems to be getting bigger.

 

And as far as Java, I think you're right, but for the wrong reasons.  What does using classes have to do with less power?  That just doesn't make any sense.

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He never said classes mean less power. He said it differs greatly in that it's all based around classes and that you get less power in general.

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Refer to the "She Wouldn't Get Out" video in the Alley, markie.

 

 

And I thank ye master for understanding what I said... Now then, if we stuff all the BASIC programmers into Auschwitz here...

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He never said classes mean less power. He said it differs greatly in that it's all based around classes and that you get less power in general.

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Well that I would agree with, but I still don't see the problem with starting at VB. I started out teaching myself basic from a book way back in the day. Then in high school, they started by teaching VB6, then the next term we went on to C++. I thought that was perfect because VB makes it easy to learn theory (like loops, variable types, global/private) without getting tied up in syntax memorization.

 

Some people say VB teaches bad habits, and I would agree, but it's not like it's some sort of irreparable damage done to a young coder's mind. I would prefer that to throwing them straight into the deep end where they have to learn complicated syntax and theory all at once.

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Well that I would agree with, but I still don't see the problem with starting at VB.  I started out teaching myself basic from a book way back in the day.  Then in high school, they started by teaching VB6, then the next term we went on to C++.  I thought that was perfect because VB makes it easy to learn theory (like loops, variable types, global/private) without getting tied up in syntax memorization. 

 

Some people say VB teaches bad habits, and I would agree, but it's not like it's some sort of irreparable damage done to a young coder's mind.  I would prefer that to throwing them straight into the deep end where they have to learn complicated syntax and theory all at once.

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I don't know. I would hardly call the following complicated syntax..

 

while (condition) {

}

 

or....

 

if (condition) {

}

 

or....

 

do {

} while (condition);

 

int variable_name;

 

For loops are a little stranger perhaps, but still with the right resources I don't actually think it'd be any harder.

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I have an idea! Lets just keep mincing words back and forth all day! Yay!

 

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Yes I know that there are parts of C that are easy, and yes I know that most of it is easy with proper training. I coded in C for a year in high school and five years in college, you don't have to sell me on it.

 

But how long do you think a newbie is going to stare at

 

if (a = b)
statement;

 

before he figures out that he needs another '=' in there.

 

Overall, I thought that the GUI of VB offered a much more "sandbox-y" feeling than a blank text document. Not to mention that the debugging is infinitely easier to do in VB.

 

I think in most cases people just think it's "cool" to rip on VB because it's not a very powerful language and because it's not as "l337" as coding in C or CPP, but as a learning tool, I think it's very useful. If I had to start out all over again and learn a language all on my own, I know I'd want to start with VB.

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I have an idea!  Lets just keep mincing words back and forth all day!  Yay!

 

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Yes I know that there are parts of C that are easy, and yes I know that most of it is easy with proper training.  I coded in C for a year in high school and five years in college, you don't have to sell me on it.

 

I must say I have no idea where that one came from. I'm not "selling you on it". I'm offering my view to the thread....

 

But how long do you think a newbie is going to stare at

 

if (a = b)
statement;

 

before he figures out that he needs another '=' in there.

 

Mistakes like that will happen with any language. With the correct resources (books, a teacher, whatever) I dont think that should be a problem, because they should know that = is for assignment and == is for comparison.

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I must say I have no idea where that one came from. I'm not "selling you on it". I'm offering my view to the thread....

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Eh, I just mean that the three of us are just going back and forth, and not really getting anywhere.

 

As far as "selling", I mean that I know pretty much all the pro's and con's to c and c++, they're easily my favorite languages without exception. You qouted some of the best examples of how easy they can be, but I also think there are a lot of cases where they can be very tough. And although I agree with all your points, I still don't think they outweight the ability have a GUI that lays all your tools out right in front of you. Not to mention how much easier it is for a beginner to debug in VB.

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Well, int is easy.

 

But, it's those danged chars...

 

char daCharacter;

 

Do you why I bash on VB6? Several reasons.

 

1. It has a slow execution time and the structure is much much different.

 

2. You have much less power.

 

3. Wait wait wait, you're saying that all non-VB programmers look at is a blank text document? Wow...

 

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DOWN WITH JAVA........ I took a Java class and the teacher knew how to program in every language but JAVA so he was learning with us. (but he is a good programmer and has been doing soo since you punched holes in paper to make the programs...). I learned enough to realize that He is gay and that JAVA is on the way out. Some of its ideas are great like cross platform but C has more power and makes more sense to me.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH POLYMORPHISM BLAH BLAH BLAH CLASSES BLAH BLAH BLAH INHERITANCE BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

 

they're all very necessary things to learn the first day :)

 

 

i started with C++ and i never had a problem.

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