bp9801 Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 NVIDIA GameWorks has faced its share of issues over the last few months, especially when it comes to The Witcher 3, Project: CARS, and performance numbers. HairWorks, particularly in The Witcher 3, doesn't play nice with AMD video cards, and now an AMD employee has some less than kind words concerning NVIDIA's tech. AMD gaming scientist Richard Huddy says the issue isn't just with AMD, as he calls NVIDIA GameWorks damaging to the "performance on NVIDIA hardware as well, which is a bit tragic really." Huddy believes GameWorks is designed to reduce performance on high-end cards so people are forced into an upgrade path. That’s the consequence of it, whether it’s intended or not - and I guess I can’t read anyone’s minds so I can’t tell you what their intention is. But the consequence of it is it brings PCs to their knees when it’s unnecessary. And if you look at Crysis 2 in particular, you see that they’re tessellating water that’s not visible to millions of triangles every frame, and they’re tessellating blocks of concrete – essentially large rectangular objects – and generating millions of triangles per frame which are useless. Now, bringing down AMD’s performance is pretty dodgy, but when they bring down their own consumers’ performance, then it makes you wonder what they’re up to. Their QA must be appalling if it’s a mistake, and if it’s not a mistake, it makes you wonder what their motivation must be. So I think it’s very unhelpful for the business. If you look at the way the performance metrics come out, it’s damaging to both Nvidia’s consumers and ours, though I guess they choose it because it’s most damaging to ours. That’s my guess. That is rather damning from an AMD gaming scientist, especially since GameWorks was created by NVIDIA as a way to provide a suite of effects instead of a piece of code here or there. Huddy insists that NVIDIA GameWorks titles have a lower average review score than anything AMD has been involved with, when looking at Metacritic or another review aggregate. If NVIDIA were to give out the source code and let developers implement and tweak what they want, things will go back to normal, according to Huddy. Some bitter feelings could be the result of these comments, or there could be something to them. There's no way to know for sure, and NVIDIA has not released a statement yet one way or the other on Huddy's viewpoint. Source: PCR via MCV Back to original news post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 I better be careful on how I say this, or I will be getting a call I am sure lol. Why are you even talking about Crysis 2, the game was launched in Mar of 2011, what does that have to do with anything now? Like really? AMD has been doing a lot of complaining but at the end of the day they need to take a long look in the mirror. If you don't like it, do something about it and worry about what your doing. NVIDIA spends a lot of money on R&D where as you have to question AMD's budget. Quote "Nvidia Gameworks typically damages the performance on Nvidia hardware as well, which is a bit tragic really, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccokeman Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/nvidia-amd-customers-stuck-with-sub-par-gaming-experiences/0134538'> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 My issue is AMD is very inconsistant,,,,, some times gaming is great other times its awful or won't work at all...... If rumors are true they only have about 10-20% of the manpower NVIDIA has...... but its rumors they won't give a straight answer but something seems really off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 The whole BF4 incident with AMD was embarrassing. No idea how that could have happened Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp9801 Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 If AMD is 100% sure that NVIDIA is hurting AMD and hurting performance on customers cards then file a lawsuit plain and simple. The ol' "can't beat them, so sue 'em" approach. Be something, but highly doubtful there's anything to it than just accusations and mud slinging. Crysis 2 launched in 2011. GameWorks didn't debut until 2014. So, how could Crysis 2 utilize GameWorks? Or does tessellation automatically mean GameWorks tech? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 Ya I am not sure why he picked that title specifically. I just looked at my logs. I have had more AMD cards returned this year then the last two years combined. I am currently selling 4 Nvidia cards for every one AMD card. There is a few game clans around here and they have had some trouble with AMD cards so they all went with Nvidia. AMD used to be really popular around my area but that's fallen off over the last two years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWeeny Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 I think Hubby was mentioning Crysis 2 because the game was coded so, that the high-end PCs would have damaging performance and people were forced to buy new cards to get better frames. He claims NVIDIA is doing the same with its tech and that is why AMD is performing so poorly. A bad statement imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVIYTH0S Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 I've never had any troubles with my AMD cards, but I'm never playing the absolute newest titles with them so I imagine that all the issues were worked out by the time I got to playing whatever game? I must be living a sheltered life lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 Ivy your a nerd lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gebraset Posted August 1, 2015 Posted August 1, 2015 I've never had any troubles with my AMD cards, but I'm never playing the absolute newest titles with them so I imagine that all the issues were worked out by the time I got to playing whatever game? I must be living a sheltered life lol Ivy your a nerd lol I lol'd. Anyhow, I can't say that I believe the conspiracy behind it. AMD is hurting in terms on personnel, funding, and overall innovation, and NVIDIA seems to be leading the way on many fronts, especially mobile development. In the end, we'll see what comes of AMD as time goes on. A buyout, in my opinion, is the only way they're not going to go under completely (even with their console architecture monopoly). Performance and support wise (drivers), they seem to just be slacking... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hax0red Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Sorry but I've recently switched to the clear leader performance wise(Nvidia) and all three cards I have tried(970, 980 and 980 Ti) have had a few consistent issues with drivers. My 7870 Tahiti LE, 7950, 7970 and 7990's never gave me any real trouble like Nvidia recently has caused me. All this BS about Nvidia being so great really is followers jumping on some bandwagon when they do not know how to form their own opinion. I'm sure I'll be swarmed for delivering the truth but that's fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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