chickenkikker Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) ok so im already indecisive and this ones got me on the ropes. I'm in the process of getting all the parts together for my next build and I can't decide whether to go with a 2500k/z68 or the 960t/990. I'm kinda an amd fanboy and have used their cpus since my 939. I really don't wanna jump ship especially since bd hasn't had much time to mature and pd is on the way. I just can't deny that the 2500k is a beast of a chip and I really don't wanna have to upgrade (other than the gpu) for at least a couple years. I also have to keep in mind that my gf already gives me grief about spending 300 on my chip/ mobo config so the extra cost might cost me a couple nights in the dog house lol. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. The parts I have so far- corsair tx650, cooler master haf 912, gskill 8gb 1866 sniper, optical (like it matters lol), wd 7200 rpm sata2 500gb (plan to upgrade after the systems together to sata3 ssds in raid 0 and use this one for storage), a xigmatek loki sd963 (was looking for something that wouldnt get in the way of my ram slots, and hey it only cost me 3 bucks), and a bfg gtx 260 216sp Edited January 9, 2012 by chickenkikker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PremiumAcc Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) ok so im already indecisive and this ones got me on the ropes. I'm in the process of getting all the parts together for my next build and I can't decide whether to go with a 2500k/z68 or the 960t/990. I'm kinda an amd fanboy and have used their cpus since my 939. I really don't wanna jump ship especially since bd hasn't had much time to mature and pd is on the way. I just can't deny that the 2500k is a beast of a chip and I really don't wanna have to upgrade (other than the gpu) for at least a couple years. I also have to keep in mind that my gf already gives me grief about spending 300 on my chip/ mobo config so the extra cost might cost me a couple nights in the dog house lol. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. The parts I have so far- corsair tx650, cooler master haf 912, gskill 8gb 1866 sniper, optical (like it matters lol), wd 7200 rpm sata2 500gb (plan to upgrade after the systems together to sata3 ssds in raid 0 and use this one for storage), a xigmatek loki sd963 (was looking for something that wouldnt get in the way of my ram slots, and hey it only cost me 3 bucks), and a bfg gtx 260 216sp Performance wise the 2500k will beat the 960t outright. The 960t is equivalent to an Intel Core 2 Quad or a lower end i3. If I were you I would go with Intel. And if you wait until April 8th, you will be able to get the new IB of the SB 2500k for about the same price. Edited January 9, 2012 by PremiumAcc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandreadstriker Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Well, first of all, welcome to OCC (Probably isn't my place to say that ) Believe it or not, I'm an AMD Fanboy as well! Been using AMD since the Athlon 64 came out and was one of the best at that time I dare say But you really cannot deny that AMD have been falling behind and that the resseructed FX chips aren't satisfactory given that they worked on it for 5+ years. If you really want a new Rig now, there's no doubt that going with the i5 2500K is the best choice right now.. And I think it'll last for quite some time given that it would OC very high (even today's game wouldn't need the tremendous OC it's capable of) or, if you'd want something that's even more future-proof, then wait for IB like PremiumAcc said. I'd say that if you'd want to get a high OC from your chip, probably consider changing your cooler. But if you don't really want to do that now, it can wait. The rest of your system looks great so you'd not need to upgrade them anytime soon. IMHO, waiting and waiting for newer chips like improved BD, etc, is just a waste of time. Within half a year or so, there would be a better one replacing them.. At least in my experience.. Better off getting it now then never. Edited January 9, 2012 by vandreadstriker 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenkikker Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) yeah that's kinda what I was thinking, as much as it pains me. The 2500k is just impossible to beat at it's price. I plan to overclock but I'll be honest I'm new to that whole scene. I might try a low oc with that cooler but if I do wait until april to pick up my cpu I'll probably end up picking up a cm hyper 212+ or evo to replace it. along with a couple scythe slipstreams it should do ok. Any recommendations for a good board to run it on? And thank you for the welcome. I've spent a lot of time reading on this site but didn't decide to register until I got down to those being the only parts left and my indecision got the best of me. Edited January 9, 2012 by chickenkikker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnE Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 ok so im already indecisive and this ones got me on the ropes. I'm in the process of getting all the parts together for my next build and I can't decide whether to go with a 2500k/z68 or the 960t/990. I'm kinda an amd fanboy and have used their cpus since my 939. I really don't wanna jump ship especially since bd hasn't had much time to mature and pd is on the way. I just can't deny that the 2500k is a beast of a chip and I really don't wanna have to upgrade (other than the gpu) for at least a couple years. I also have to keep in mind that my gf already gives me grief about spending 300 on my chip/ mobo config so the extra cost might cost me a couple nights in the dog house lol. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. The parts I have so far- corsair tx650, cooler master haf 912, gskill 8gb 1866 sniper, optical (like it matters lol), wd 7200 rpm sata2 500gb (plan to upgrade after the systems together to sata3 ssds in raid 0 and use this one for storage), a xigmatek loki sd963 (was looking for something that wouldnt get in the way of my ram slots, and hey it only cost me 3 bucks), and a bfg gtx 260 216sp Myself, I'd go with the 2500k/Z68. The 2400k (as someone already said) will out shine the 960t/990. And with the Z68 you could save a lot of money by buying one small SSD (60GB or less) and mate it to a 1 or 1.5tera byte HHD under the IRST (Intel Rapid Storage Technology). And don't believe all that you read about IRST, as now that the board manufactures have the corrected bio's and Intel has updated their drivers, IRST works pretty darn good. I have a 60 gb SSD with a 800 GB hard drive and the system boots in under 20 seconds from power on. Outlook, Excel and Access are ready to go in less than one second. Games are blazing fast. Yes, it takes a couple of days of use for the cache to build, but it's incredible when it does. You can see programs getting faster everyday until they reach a peak. Nothing will ever beat the speed of a SSD by itself, but the IRST is really not bad, in fact I've found it to be quite good. And I had absolutely zero problems setting it up. Just follow the latest Intel PDF release on it word for word and it works. (The downside is Intel's Virtu isn't worth it at all....but that's graphics.) But speaking of, I though BFG stopped making graphics cards? Or did you already have one? Are they back? (So many questions...) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandreadstriker Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 yeah that's kinda what I was thinking, as much as it pains me. The 2500k is just impossible to beat at it's price. I plan to overclock but I'll be honest I'm new to that whole scene. I might try a low oc with that cooler but if I do wait until april to pick up my cpu I'll probably end up picking up a cm hyper 212+ or evo to replace it. along with a couple scythe slipstreams it should do ok. Any recommendations for a good board to run it on? And thank you for the welcome. I've spent a lot of time reading on this site but didn't decide to register until I got down to those being the only parts left and my indecision got the best of me. Well honestly, your loki would probably be good to try and familiarize yourself with simple OC of SB/IB... It's pretty much an easy trial and error... And that Loki should be able to get it up at 4GHz (but the temps wouldn't probably be in your comfort zone) As for a good board, it depends on your budget really.. If you've got some money, I'd recommend the ASUS P8Z68 V-Pro or even the Deluxe... or you can get the ASUS Z68 Gene-Z.. If you're on a bit tight of a budget, ASRock Z68 Exterme 4 is a good choice too.. Myself, I'd go with the 2500k/Z68. The 2400k (as someone already said) will out shine the 960t/990. And with the Z68 you could save a lot of money by buying one small SSD (60GB or less) and mate it to a 1 or 1.5tera byte HHD under the IRST (Intel Rapid Storage Technology). And don't believe all that you read about IRST, as now that the board manufactures have the corrected bio's and Intel has updated their drivers, IRST works pretty darn good. I have a 60 gb SSD with a 800 GB hard drive and the system boots in under 20 seconds from power on. Outlook, Excel and Access are ready to go in less than one second. Games are blazing fast. Yes, it takes a couple of days of use for the cache to build, but it's incredible when it does. You can see programs getting faster everyday until they reach a peak. Nothing will ever beat the speed of a SSD by itself, but the IRST is really not bad, in fact I've found it to be quite good. And I had absolutely zero problems setting it up. Just follow the latest Intel PDF release on it word for word and it works. (The downside is Intel's Virtu isn't worth it at all....but that's graphics.) But speaking of, I though BFG stopped making graphics cards? Or did you already have one? Are they back? (So many questions...) I'd agree with above.. Although 'hybrid' would not be as fast as SSD alone but if you're on a budget, that hybrid solution would be a good choice... Coming from a normal mechanical drive, you'd still feel a big difference... Then, when you have some money to spare, there's also the option to get another 60GB SSD and run it in RAID 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PremiumAcc Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) yeah that's kinda what I was thinking, as much as it pains me. The 2500k is just impossible to beat at it's price. I plan to overclock but I'll be honest I'm new to that whole scene. I might try a low oc with that cooler but if I do wait until april to pick up my cpu I'll probably end up picking up a cm hyper 212+ or evo to replace it. along with a couple scythe slipstreams it should do ok. Any recommendations for a good board to run it on? And thank you for the welcome. I've spent a lot of time reading on this site but didn't decide to register until I got down to those being the only parts left and my indecision got the best of me. The 212+ is a great choice for a cooler as it is one of the best--if not the best--coolers pound for pound. And you will be able to moderately OC with the 212+. It depends on your budget. If you have a low budget for the board you could go with ASRock Z68 Extreme3. If you have a little money to spend I would recommend the Asus P8Z68-V Pro. IMO, the Asus Z68 deluxe isn't really worth the extra money, it doesn't offer many significant features that the Pro doesn't already offer. Well honestly, your loki would probably be good to try and familiarize yourself with simple OC of SB/IB... It's pretty much an easy trial and error... And that Loki should be able to get it up at 4GHz (but the temps wouldn't probably be in your comfort zone) As for a good board, it depends on your budget really.. If you've got some money, I'd recommend the ASUS P8Z68 V-Pro or even the Deluxe... or you can get the ASUS Z68 Gene-Z.. If you're on a bit tight of a budget, ASRock Z68 Exterme 4 is a good choice too.. I'd agree with above.. Although 'hybrid' would not be as fast as SSD alone but if you're on a budget, that hybrid solution would be a good choice... Coming from a normal mechanical drive, you'd still feel a big difference... Then, when you have some money to spare, there's also the option to get another 60GB SSD and run it in RAID 0 Running SSD in RAID is fail. You lose TRIM and over time the drive will become slower. The only real benefit you will see is a boost in sequential read/write speeds, and that is only beneficial if you are transferring large files. It is the random 4k seek times that makes the SSDs so darn fast, not the read/write speeds. If you get two SSDs run them as separate drives and DO NOT RAID them. Edited January 9, 2012 by PremiumAcc 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fight Game Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 cpu's dont need time to mature, it's not like there's gonna be a driver update. I loved my amd's and my 939 too, but... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenkikker Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Myself, I'd go with the 2500k/Z68. The 2400k (as someone already said) will out shine the 960t/990. And with the Z68 you could save a lot of money by buying one small SSD (60GB or less) and mate it to a 1 or 1.5tera byte HHD under the IRST (Intel Rapid Storage Technology). And don't believe all that you read about IRST, as now that the board manufactures have the corrected bio's and Intel has updated their drivers, IRST works pretty darn good. I have a 60 gb SSD with a 800 GB hard drive and the system boots in under 20 seconds from power on. Outlook, Excel and Access are ready to go in less than one second. Games are blazing fast. Yes, it takes a couple of days of use for the cache to build, but it's incredible when it does. You can see programs getting faster everyday until they reach a peak. Nothing will ever beat the speed of a SSD by itself, but the IRST is really not bad, in fact I've found it to be quite good. And I had absolutely zero problems setting it up. Just follow the latest Intel PDF release on it word for word and it works. (The downside is Intel's Virtu isn't worth it at all....but that's graphics.) But speaking of, I though BFG stopped making graphics cards? Or did you already have one? Are they back? (So many questions...) Awesome information on the irst man. Yeah what I read before all seemed bad so I didnt really take the time to look at it but it sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. as for the BFG, I already had it. Didn't seem to make sense to upgrade quite yet as I run on a 19" monitor and even with my amd dual core rig I couldn't tax the card hard enough to make me uncomfortable. I'm with you though. I wish bfg would start making cards again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
medbor Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 either you can wait for some months to see if amd stepps up thier game (and potentially wait another few months again and again) or just buy the best that you can right now and switch back to amd next time you are about to upgrade if they are competitive then. Best case scenario the bulldozer chips are on par with a 2600 on stock, but in several tests they are far behind even the aging phenom II platform. And couple this with the massive power consumtion and you have a bad deal. There is no point in investing your money in something that is not a good investment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenkikker Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Well honestly, your loki would probably be good to try and familiarize yourself with simple OC of SB/IB... It's pretty much an easy trial and error... And that Loki should be able to get it up at 4GHz (but the temps wouldn't probably be in your comfort zone) As for a good board, it depends on your budget really.. If you've got some money, I'd recommend the ASUS P8Z68 V-Pro or even the Deluxe... or you can get the ASUS Z68 Gene-Z.. If you're on a bit tight of a budget, ASRock Z68 Exterme 4 is a good choice too.. I'd agree with above.. Although 'hybrid' would not be as fast as SSD alone but if you're on a budget, that hybrid solution would be a good choice... Coming from a normal mechanical drive, you'd still feel a big difference... Then, when you have some money to spare, there's also the option to get another 60GB SSD and run it in RAID 0 yeah that asrock board is actually the one ive been eyeing. I haven't read any but good things about their products recently. The extreme 4 also has solid caps? I thought i remembered that it did but im not sure. trying to stay away from electrolytic completely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenkikker Posted January 9, 2012 Posted January 9, 2012 cpu's dont need time to mature, it's not like there's gonna be a driver update. I loved my amd's and my 939 too, but... well I read that bd was having serious cache conflicts that they were hoping to fix. though I have to admit I know pretty much nothing about instruction sets. I tried asking on TH but that was fail. On a side note, Gskill makes ssd's? how do you like yours? I love their ram and when I saw that in your sig I got pretty excited Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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