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#1 =HPSF=Roadrunne

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 10:36 PM

Hi, first off, please forgive my ignorance. I am new to building, and trying to learn. I recently purchased an NF4-Ultra D. I am using my old components for my sons computer. This is the system I am having trouble with.

NF2 Ultra
AMD 2700 XP
3x512 gigs Kingston RAM
Maxtor 200 gig ATA/133
Samsung CD-rom
ATI Radeon 9600
Ultra X-connect PSU
(think that about covers it)

I was running an Audigy2 ZS platinum, with most of these components, but that will be going in my new comp. I want to run on-board sound, on this one for now. I am getting NO sound at all. I do not have front panel audio, and as far as I can tell from other posts, I have the jumpers set right. I tried an install of the audio drivers, but not the chipsets. The bios is set to auto, as far as I can tell. I would appreciate any help, in setting up this comp. I have to wait for my new PSU, for my new computer, and to build that. Once that is built, I will probably do a clean install, on this old one. I think it would be a good time to flash the BIOS also. Any suggestions, on reformting/reinstalling etc, on this older computer?

*edit* Haha...such a nOOb. I tried reinstalling the chipset drivers, and VIOLA! I got sound. It is not what I am used to, but what can I expect, when switching from a high-end soundcard, to on-board eh? I would still like any, and all recomends, when re-building this comp. I want to start fresh, and make sure I can get everything possible out of this comp.

stupid question too, can I plug headphones directly into the back panel on the mobo? It seems like a real high level output, and these are nice phones, I don't want to damage. I always had my comp hooked through a stereo, and plugged my phones into that. I am noticing a slight audio crosstalk(?) Little noises in the background, when no audio is playing.

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 04:53 AM

Have you checked how you have your speakers and/or headphones setup under the
sound/audio devices in your OS? In other words if you're just using headphones,
set it to headphones, or if you're using 2 speakers for example then set it accordingly.
I've seen it (more than a few times) when I've installed the audio drivers, where the
speaker configuration gets set automatically to 4 speakers (or something to that
effect), which hasn't worked properly with a 2 or 3 speaker set and/or headphones.

You might need to turn down the gains in the volume/audio control panel, if you're
just wanting to use headphones.

Nice to see you in here.

#3 =HPSF=Roadrunne

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 09:28 AM

Thanks for the welcome. I have to admit, these forums were a great deciding factor, in going DFI again. I had very few problems with my first board, but it is nice to see such great tech support, on any computer part. It was a real b**ch, to find any pin connfiguration, on my audio jacks, but that board is quite old.

I havn't really worried about tweaking this set-up too much yet, as a BIOS flash, reformat, and clean install is in order, but I will check those settings, to make sure no damage is done to my Sony's. I just love these things...

In the meantime, I thought I'd play a joke, on my clan-mates, and usual tech support/guru...

From the =HPSF= forums...

Ok, I can't wait. While I wait for my PSU, I decided to get all the other goodies partially assembled. My Lian-Li, is completely free of old components, and the PSU was the last thing installed, on Bash's computer, so I figured what the hell. I got the CPU mounted in the mobo socket, but wasn't sure how much of that Arctic Silver stuff to use. I assume it would be bad, to have it squishing out, between the socket and CPU, so I just put a real light layer on, as evenly as I could. Should I have applied it to the pins as well? I didn't want to bend any of them, so I just did the socket. It seems to have gone in the holes just fine, and figure the pins will get coated, as the CPU goes in the socket. Will this be enough? I really want to make sure I do everything right on this build.

Don't worry, I know where thermal paste goes. I just wish I could see =HPSF=Go-Go's face when he read that!

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 02:50 PM

Thanks for the welcome. I have to admit, these forums were a great deciding factor, in going DFI again. I had very few problems with my first board, but it is nice to see such great tech support, on any computer part. It was a real b**ch, to find any pin connfiguration, on my audio jacks, but that board is quite old.

I havn't really worried about tweaking this set-up too much yet, as a BIOS flash, reformat, and clean install is in order, but I will check those settings, to make sure no damage is done to my Sony's. I just love these things...

In the meantime, I thought I'd play a joke, on my clan-mates, and usual tech support/guru...

From the =HPSF= forums...

Ok, I can't wait. While I wait for my PSU, I decided to get all the other goodies partially assembled. My Lian-Li, is completely free of old components, and the PSU was the last thing installed, on Bash's computer, so I figured what the hell. I got the CPU mounted in the mobo socket, but wasn't sure how much of that Arctic Silver stuff to use. I assume it would be bad, to have it squishing out, between the socket and CPU, so I just put a real light layer on, as evenly as I could. Should I have applied it to the pins as well? I didn't want to bend any of them, so I just did the socket. It seems to have gone in the holes just fine, and figure the pins will get coated, as the CPU goes in the socket. Will this be enough? I really want to make sure I do everything right on this build.

Don't worry, I know where thermal paste goes. I just wish I could see =HPSF=Go-Go's face when he read that!


ROFLMAO :shake: :cool:

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 03:19 PM

Ok, I can't wait. While I wait for my PSU, I decided to get all the other goodies partially assembled. My Lian-Li, is completely free of old components, and the PSU was the last thing installed, on Bash's computer, so I figured what the hell. I got the CPU mounted in the mobo socket, but wasn't sure how much of that Arctic Silver stuff to use. I assume it would be bad, to have it squishing out, between the socket and CPU, so I just put a real light layer on, as evenly as I could. Should I have applied it to the pins as well? I didn't want to bend any of them, so I just did the socket. It seems to have gone in the holes just fine, and figure the pins will get coated, as the CPU goes in the socket. Will this be enough? I really want to make sure I do everything right on this build.


:nod: CLASSIC :nod: Well done Roadrunne, that's one of the best wind ups i've read in a long time :nod: Must be worth a copy and paste for use somewhere in th future. Not looking to enforce copywrite on this little nugget are you?

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#6 =HPSF=Roadrunne

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 03:45 PM

I wouldn't dream of it. So far, I've had 17 views. I was really expecting more "OMG you FUBAR'D YOUR NEW BOARD" comments. So far, only TWO responses. Perhaps nobody want to be the bearer of bad news.

=HPSF=SpecialAgentJohnson wrote-
From what i was tought, and have experienced, you only want to use a very thin amount and spread it across evenly. I have never tried any on the pins, that seams like crazy talk to me.

Friend of our clan Evo Wrote-
AAhhH! You put it directly on the socket? I hope your kidding! Your thermal paste goes on top of the processor, to transmit heat away from the processor to the heatsink.

I havn't replied yet. Don't want to play it up too much. I am still waiting for my long-time friend, clanmate, DFI fanboy, and tech suport/guru =HPSF=Go-Go's reaction. He's never affraid, to tell me what a complete idiot I am. It should be good. I'll keep ya posted.

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 08:19 PM

Ok, last update. I finally got Go-Go's attention. His post (as I figured) was the best.

SAJ's second post, in response to Evo...

ya. I didn't catch that when i read it, but ya, definetly on top of the processor.

Then it gets a little better...

=HPSF=Professor Maleus wrote...

OMG d00d, don't turn on your comp, it'll fry with thermal paste on the pins. Paste only goes on (like what Evo and SAJ said) the core (or heat spreader thing). Here's the instructions for applying Arctic Silver --> http://www.arcticsil...nstructions.htm

=HPSF=Gunfighter...

Very thin (paper thin) layer on top of the CPU core itself only. Use a thin piece of plastic (like an old credit card) to spread it around. You don't want any big globs or areas that are not covered by any paste either.

Don't put any on the pins or socket, that's freaking insanity (and dumb).

and finally...Go-Go's first post...

OMFG you are SO HOSED!!!!!! please tell me you are kidding? If not, get ready to buy a new mobo. try to rma it but me says U R FUXORD!

does it look like this?
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that pic is entitled "how not to apply thermal paste".


I dunno, you think I could RMA it? hee hee...

and that post was quickly followed by...(also Go-Go)

"u sir are an butt"

Gotta like a friend, who will tell it like it is.

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 10:37 PM

OMG that is classic!
would yo post a link to that thread? i SO want to read through it all :D.

#9 =HPSF=Roadrunne

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 10:48 PM

NP, but most of it's here anyway...

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you should be able to view that topic, without registering or anything...

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Posted 25 February 2006 - 11:07 PM

lol, its alot better with the pics ;).

i follow system builds by other members, to learn what combos work best together etc. keep un updated, i look foward to your progress.

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 02:34 PM

Ok, the new PSU has FINALLY arrived. About to hook it up, and check if she's postin.

Quick review. I went with the OCZ Modstream (modular) instead of getting the required 24-pin, and SLI cables, to use my old Ultra X-connect. People seem to dislike the Ultra, and I don't know why. I absolutly loved mine, and never had a problem. The cables were perhaps the best part. Really nice quality, if not a little stiff. I noticed the modstream cables seem even stiffer.

The Modstream looked even better than I saw pictured. They seem to have taken a cue from Ultra, and gone with the ultra-shiny look at all the oils on my fingers look. The cables look a little better, than pictured at NE also, and it even has a supah-sexeh power cable too. Looks like it has all the connectors I need to get up and running, although I believe it only comes with one PCI-e cable. Luckilly I am not planning on running SLI...(yet). I'll amend, if I have any problems. I am a little worried, as my Lian-Li HTPC case, has been a little troublesome in the past, as far as space goes.

Wish me luck!!!

SONOFABITCH!!! Not 5 minutes in, I already see a problem, though not with my case. The modstream only has one power cable, with the extra 3-pin peripheral connector branching off. This is a problem, as my sound-card (Audigy 2ZS platinum, requires one also. Solution? Use a cable from my Ultra. Seems the x-connect cables will work on the modstream. WhyTF can't things be more standardized to begin with?

To quote Homer Simpson..."SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP!!!!111"

Seems I was right, to be concerned about space issues. Not only am I having trouble with room inside the case, but EVERY F**KING CHUNKY-A$$ wire in my system seems to want to be routed through the same location. These stiff-A$$ mod-stream cables aren't helping much, and I seem to be the only person in the world, that can't find cables short enough. The worst one is my GFX power cable. At first, I didn't think I was even going to be able to use it. The connectors for the power from the PSU, and to the GFX, are about an inch apart. Any closer, and I wouldn't need a cable at all, just let the power arc the tiny gap between them. Solution, move GFX, to PCI-ex16 #2. I hope that's gonna work. Thank God my case doesn't have a window, cause I couldn't stand to look at the jumble of wires everyday. Guess it's time to learn to make custom cables. Wish this PSU had the old style cables, pictured in the ad. Well, the hardware seem to all be installed, so back to the install guide, to get my bios, and software straitened out.

BTW, I am not as pissed as I sound, but I AM as frustrated as I sound. My choice in components, seems fine, on a one-to-one basis, but used together, it is proving to be quite challenging.

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 07:25 AM

Ok, I have started a new thread. My hope, is that it will serve as a good starting point, for other building nOObs, that it will be a good place for all the great links, and other help here, that it will answer other questions for other people, and that others may learn by doing.

=HPSF=Roadrunner's Stupid nOOb Questions