Murphi Posted September 6, 2005 Posted September 6, 2005 I have the OCZ VX DDR 400,and in the BIOS all are as default....I follow the steps of: NF4 SLI-DR / 3500+ Winchester / 2x512MB OCZ 4000VX in OCing database at: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10195 But I´m a newie with this and I don´t kow what latencies(Timmings) are well for to begin....... Tx 4 all,friends...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracula Posted September 7, 2005 Posted September 7, 2005 1st, you need to create a proper signature in your user CP with all of your hardware listed in a neat column; including your OS and BIOS. 2nd, what BIOS are you using? Example: 623, -1, -2, or -3... 3rd, what is the exact model # of your CPU as would be listed here? TRY THESE (listed in order as you see in you BIOS): GENIE BIOS FSB Bus Frequency - 250 or 255 or 260 LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio - 4 x CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - 9 x PCI eXpress Frequency - 104Mhz CPU VID StartUp Value - 1.55v CPU VID Control - 1.25v CPU VID Special Control - Avove VID * 126% LDT Voltage Control - 1.30v Chip Set Voltage Control - 1.60v DRAM Voltage Control - 3.50v DRAM CONFIGURATION DRAM Frequency Set - 200 (DRAM/FSB:1/01) Command Per Clock (CPC) - Enable CAS Latency Control (Tcl) - 2.0 RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) - 02 Bus Clocks Min RAS# active time (Tras) - 08 Bus Clocks Row precharge time (Trp) - 02 Bus Clocks Row Cycle time (Trc) - 07 Bus Clocks Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) - 15 Bus Clocks Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 02 Bus Clocks Write recovery time (Twr) - 02 Bus Clocks Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 02 Bus Clocks Refresh Period (Tref) - 0388, 0516, 0780, 1560 or 3072 Cycles Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 01 DRAM Bank Interleave - Enabled DQS Skew Control - Decrease DQS Skew Value - 0 DRAM Drive Strength - Level 7 DRAM Data Drive Strength - Level 2 Max Async Latency - 06,0ns, 07.0ns, 08.0ns or 09.0ns Read Preamble Time - 06.0ns IdleCycle Limit - 64 Cycles Dynamic Counter - Enable or Auto R/W Queue Bypass - 2 x Bypass Max - 01 x 32 Byte Granularity - Enable(? Bursts) If that doesn't go, set it all to AUTO. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :cool: DRACULA • MoBo = DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR • CPU = FX-57 (90nm process, San Diego core) [ADAFX57BNBOX] • Memory = 1GB of OCZ Technology (1T Mode), EL DDR PC-4800 Dual Channel Platinum Elite Edition (hand-picked, 100% TCCD chips), Qt.2 [OCZ6001024EEPE-K] • Hard Drives = a) 74GB WD Raptor, Qt.4 [WD740GD] B) 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7K500 SATA II, Qt.4 [0A31619] *** Total SATA Storage: 2.296 Terabytes *** • BIOS = 702-2 with Change-Log Update • OS = Windows XP Pro SP2 and Windows XP Pro x64-bit • Video Card (single card, non-SLI Mode) = BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC™ PCIe 512MB GDDR3/TV-Out/Dual-DVI (Retail Box) [bFGR68512UOCX] • Video Driver (nVIDIA) = ForceWare v77.77 (non-Beta) • Monitor = ViewSonic VP191b (new 8ms revision) • Optical Drives = ASUS DRW-1608p, Qt.2 [DRW1608P] • Floppy Drive = MITSUMI 8 in 1, Multi-Media Drive [FA404M] • Case = Aspire X-Navigator, mid-Tower [ATXA8NW-BK] • Cooling (air only) = a) Thermalright XP-90C Heat-Sink B) 92mm Vantec Tornado (119 CFM - 4800 RPM's - 56.4 dBA) CPU Fan [TD9238H] c) Arctic Silver 5 compound • PSU = Thermaltake, 680 Watts, SLI-ready [W0049] • Audio = Creative Labs, GigaWorks S750 (700 Watts, 7.1 Channel Speaker System – Retail) [51MF7010AA000] "Feel however you want. Your opinion still has all the appeal of a warm, flat beer." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fight Game Posted September 7, 2005 Posted September 7, 2005 GENIE BIOS FSB Bus Frequency - 250 or 255 or 260 LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio - 4 x ...............WRONG! anything over 250 needs 3x! CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - 9 x PCI eXpress Frequency - 104Mhz......WRONG! leave it at 100 since its stable and anything over doesn't help anything! CPU VID StartUp Value - 1.55v CPU VID Control - 1.25v CPU VID Special Control - Avove VID * 126% LDT Voltage Control - 1.30v Chip Set Voltage Control - 1.60v DRAM Voltage Control - 3.50v...........This sounds awful high to me, are you overclocking? Do you have cooling on the ram? DRAM CONFIGURATION DRAM Frequency Set - 200 (DRAM/FSB:1/01). Command Per Clock (CPC) - Enable CAS Latency Control (Tcl) - 2.0 RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) - 02 Bus Clocks Min RAS# active time (Tras) - 08 Bus Clocks Row precharge time (Trp) - 02 Bus Clocks Row Cycle time (Trc) - 07 Bus Clocks Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) - 15 Bus Clocks Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 02 Bus Clocks Write recovery time (Twr) - 02 Bus Clocks Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 02 Bus Clocks Refresh Period (Tref) - 0388, 0516, 0780, 1560 or 3072 Cycles....3120 is a known good one Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 01.............I suggest auto! DRAM Bank Interleave - Enabled DQS Skew Control - Decrease DQS Skew Value - 0 DRAM Drive Strength - Level 7 DRAM Data Drive Strength - Level 2 Max Async Latency - 06,0ns, 07.0ns, 08.0ns or 09.0ns Read Preamble Time - 06.0ns IdleCycle Limit - 64 Cycles Dynamic Counter - Enable or Auto R/W Queue Bypass - 2 x Bypass Max - 01 x 32 Byte Granularity - Enable(? Bursts) If that doesn't go, set it all to AUTO.........this is terrible advice, IMO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracula Posted September 7, 2005 Posted September 7, 2005 1st, you need to create a proper signature in your user CP with all of your hardware listed in a neat column; including your OS and BIOS. 2nd, what BIOS are you using? Example: 623, -1, -2, or -3... 3rd, what is the exact model # of your CPU as would be listed here? TRY THESE (listed in order as you see in you BIOS): GENIE BIOS FSB Bus Frequency - 250 or 255 or 260 LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio - 4 x CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - 9 x PCI eXpress Frequency - 104Mhz CPU VID StartUp Value - 1.55v CPU VID Control - 1.25v CPU VID Special Control - Avove VID * 126% LDT Voltage Control - 1.30v Chip Set Voltage Control - 1.60v DRAM Voltage Control - 3.50v DRAM CONFIGURATION DRAM Frequency Set - 200 (DRAM/FSB:1/01) Command Per Clock (CPC) - Enable CAS Latency Control (Tcl) - 2.0 RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) - 02 Bus Clocks Min RAS# active time (Tras) - 08 Bus Clocks Row precharge time (Trp) - 02 Bus Clocks Row Cycle time (Trc) - 07 Bus Clocks Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) - 15 Bus Clocks Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 02 Bus Clocks Write recovery time (Twr) - 02 Bus Clocks Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 02 Bus Clocks Refresh Period (Tref) - 0388, 0516, 0780, 1560 or 3072 Cycles Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 01 DRAM Bank Interleave - Enabled DQS Skew Control - Decrease DQS Skew Value - 0 DRAM Drive Strength - Level 7 DRAM Data Drive Strength - Level 2 Max Async Latency - 06,0ns, 07.0ns, 08.0ns or 09.0ns Read Preamble Time - 06.0ns IdleCycle Limit - 64 Cycles Dynamic Counter - Enable or Auto R/W Queue Bypass - 2 x Bypass Max - 01 x 32 Byte Granularity - Enable(? Bursts) If that doesn't go, set it all to AUTO. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :cool: DRACULA • MoBo = DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR • CPU = FX-57 (90nm process, San Diego core) [ADAFX57BNBOX] • Memory = 1GB of OCZ Technology (1T Mode), EL DDR PC-4800 Dual Channel Platinum Elite Edition (hand-picked, 100% TCCD chips), Qt.2 [OCZ6001024EEPE-K] • Hard Drives = a) 74GB WD Raptor , Qt.4 [WD740GD] B) 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7K500 SATA II , Qt.4 [0A31619] *** Overall Total Storage: 2.296 Terabytes *** • BIOS = 702-2 with Change-Log Update • OS = Windows XP Pro SP2 and Windows XP Pro x64-bit • Video Card (single card, non-SLI Mode) = BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC™ PCIe 512MB GDDR3/TV-Out/Dual-DVI (Retail Box) [bFGR68512UOCX] • Video Driver (nVIDIA) = ForceWare v77.77 (non-Beta) • Monitor = ViewSonic VP191b (new 8ms revision) • Optical Drives = ASUS DRW-1608p, Qt.2 [DRW1608P] • Case = Aspire X-Navigator, mid-Tower [ATXA8NW-BK] • Cooling (air only) = Thermalright XP-90C Heat-Sink, 92mm Vantec Tornado (119cfm) CPU Fan and Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound • PSU = Thermaltake, 680 Watts, SLI-ready [W0049] • Audio = Creative Labs, GigaWorks S750 (700 Watts, 7.1 Channel Speaker System – Retail) [51MF7010AA000] GENIE BIOS LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio - 4 x ...............WRONG! anything over 250 needs 3x! PCI eXpress Frequency - 104Mhz......WRONG! leave it at 100 since its stable and anything over doesn't help anything! DRAM Voltage Control - 3.50v...........This sounds awful high to me, are you overclocking? Do you have cooling on the ram? DRAM CONFIGURATION Refresh Period (Tref) - 0388, 0516, 0780, 1560 or 3072 Cycles....3120 is a known good one Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 01.............I suggest auto! If that doesn't go, set it all to AUTO.........this is terrible advice, IMO! Oh-kay, it's clear to me that you have done little, to no research on this because you plainly do not have a clue on one thing you just said, so I am going to set the record straight. I am going to illustrate the points you "claim" are wrong and I will show you why they aren't. First, I stated at the very beginning of my post, that Murphi needs to give us far more complete information. What was given to us was not thorough at all. Secondly, those settings are for high-end components only; Murphi is using OCZ VX Gold PC 4000 RAM, AMD 3500+ CPU and a LANPARTY NF4 SLI-DR motherboard. The processor is good and in fact I actually lowered the voltage on the CPU from 1.595v to 1.575v. As for the RAM and the Motherboard, they both are high-end pieces of hardware, designed for this sort of rigorous and brutal use. Thirdly, how do you know for fact that these 5 settings are wrong? Have you ever tested them? If so, how thorough were you? What kinds of programs do you have at your disposal to do testing? How many hours have you spent doing tests? What kind of hardware are you sporting? Is your hardware even up to the challenge? ***Before you slam someone's suggestion why not check it out first; I can plainly tell you didn't. Here's where you went wrong: LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio - 4 x ? Actually, if you had talked to any of the tech guys over at OCZ (Jimmy), CORSAIR (Ryan and Dylan), GeIL (Douglas and John) and at DFI itself (Frank Wong and Ogie) FG, you would've known that the LDT (Lightening Data Transport, a.k.a. - Hyper-Transport) can be safely pushed up to 1100MHz on the SLI-DR board without hurting it. 1000MHz is the just a default. I personally have been running my LDT at 1100MHz for about 5 months now without incident. Even with the FSB at 260MHz, a 4x multiplier is only 1040MHz; well bellow 1100. At 250MHz x 4 is 1000MHz (which is right at spec) and 255MHz x 4 is only 1020. Those settings aren't going to hurt Murphi's SLI-DR board, or mine or anyone else's. PCI eXpress Frequency - 104MHz ? Again, you make WRONG assumptions and jump to conclusions. For as long as I've had my LDT at 1100MHz, I've had my PCI eXpress Frequency set at 112MHz. I've had it stable at as high as 120MHz. The default of 100MHz is the same as 2500MHz when expressed as the PCI eXpress Bus. In other words, I've had the bus as high and stable as 3000MHz, and it does improve games and benchmarks. A frequency of 104MHz = 2600MHz bus and is only 100MHz higher on the PCI eXpress Bus than stock. He could go to 108MHz and that wouldn't hurt a thing. DRAM Voltage Control - 3.50v ? Perhaps if you knew some of the guys over at INSANETEK (like John Chen or Randy Torio) you would have known that the VX Golds can take a beating and not break a sweat. So now this is where you show the whole world that you just don't know your RAM. OCZ covers their Winbond UTT ICs on the OCZ PC4000 VX Golds with a full LIFETIME WARRANTY, all the way up to 3.5 volts (yes, click on the volts); it's listed right on the OCZ website. I wanted Murphi to use a higher VDIMM because the settings I've listed for him are a bit tighter than Travis' who, by the way, was running his VDIMM at 3.4 volts for his setup which is a whole, great, big 0.1 volts less than mine! And, I lowered the VCORE on the CPU compared to Travis' setup too. I have seen NO improvement with a VCORE set really high and you run the risk of toasting your CPU. Given the choice I would rather fry the RAM than the CPU. And anyway, 3.5v is in spec for this stuff and I have seen guys run it safely up to 4.0v (but not past that). As for cooling, he didn't list what he's got and that is really his concern anyway. Refresh Period (Tref) - 0388, 0516, 0780, 1560 or 3072 Cycles....3120 is a known good one ??? Yep, that's it! A tREF of 3120 is the ONLY usable tREF setting in the BIOS...no, the whole world!!! All those other, "so callled" tREF settings aren't actually real. They were put in there by Oskar Wu as a joke! Real funny guy that Oskar; I tell ya'! 3120 is stable, yes, but it's hardly the only "good" setting. Just because John had "(seems to be a/ Bh-5,6 sweet spot at 250+mhz)" on his list does NOT make it the "end-all, be-all" tREF setting to end ALL tREF settings. Like most people out there, I bet you don't no 'jack' about tREF; even the moderators, super moderators and administrators are still figuring this theoretical stuff out. It's still pretty new and experimental to all of us. And btw, Windbond UTT ICs are not identical to BH-5s. JSYK, tREF is my specialized area of expertise. A tREF of 3120 is stable yes, but it is actually at the lower and slower end of data-bandwidth performance, compared to others. 0516 and 0388 are much, much higher in bandwidth performance. I listed 1560 and 3072 because that is where most higher end memory sits, natively. There is NOTHING wrong with those settings. 0016, 0032, 0064 and 0128 are the dicey settings to which you should be careful. Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 01.............I suggest auto! ????? You just don't know do you. Even Travis has recommended a setting of 01 Ticks...right here...on this website! Almost all PC3200 and higher DDR1, 184pin memory runs natively at 01 Ticks. If you have A64 Tweaker, go into your BIOS, set it to "auto". Log back in to Windows, open up your A64 Tweaker, look at the tWCL. I'll bet you that it reads as 01. The bottom line is that a lot of this is still theory, when it comes to tweaking your system's memory for Over-Clocking. NO ONE, has the right to look down on anyone else here because we are all still learning. No matter what I or you or anyone else tells Murphi, HE and he alone will have to still try this stuff out for himself. He will have to do a lot of his own experimenting to find the elusive "best setting" for his system. And if you will recall FG, The very last thing I said to Murphi was that if all else fails, set it all to "auto" (except for the 4 primary settings of CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS which you can start out by setting them to their stock settings...or you still could do everything "auto", if you'd like). And you said, in response,how "TERRIBLE" that was. Yeah, because setting all of your BIOS to auto, as a starting point will, BLOW-UP YOUR COMPUTER!! That comment of yours was not only unnecessary, but rude and shows us exactly what you don't know about RAM on this board! Now personally, I hate "auto" settings. If you want everything on "auto" you shouldn't have bought this board in the first place. You should have picked up an ASUS Premium mobo instead. Look, I don't have any problems with any of the people here and I want it to stay that way. Please test this stuff before you pontificate on the very dogmatic subject of RAM, and good luck to you! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :cool: DRACULA • MoBo = DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR • CPU = FX-57 (90nm process, San Diego core) [ADAFX57BNBOX] • Memory = 1GB of OCZ Technology (1T Mode), EL DDR PC-4800 Dual Channel Platinum Elite Edition (hand-picked, 100% TCCD chips), Qt.2 [OCZ6001024EEPE-K] • Hard Drives = a) 74GB WD Raptor , Qt.4 [WD740GD] B) 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7K500 SATA II , Qt.4 [0A31619] *** Overall Total Storage: 2.296 Terabytes *** • BIOS = 702-2 with Change-Log Update • OS = Windows XP Pro SP2 and Windows XP Pro x64-bit • Video Card (single card, non-SLI Mode) = BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC™ PCIe 512MB GDDR3/TV-Out/Dual-DVI (Retail Box) [bFGR68512UOCX] • Video Driver (nVIDIA) = ForceWare v77.77 (non-Beta) • Monitor = ViewSonic VP191b (new 8ms revision) • Optical Drives = ASUS DRW-1608p, Qt.2 [DRW1608P] • Case = Aspire X-Navigator, mid-Tower [ATXA8NW-BK] • Cooling (air only) = Thermalright XP-90C Heat-Sink, 92mm Vantec Tornado (119cfm) CPU Fan and Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound • PSU = Thermaltake, 680 Watts, SLI-ready [W0049] • Audio = Creative Labs, GigaWorks S750 (700 Watts, 7.1 Channel Speaker System – Retail) [51MF7010AA000] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dracula Posted September 7, 2005 Posted September 7, 2005 1st, you need to create a proper signature in your user CP with all of your hardware listed in a neat column; including your OS and BIOS. 2nd, what BIOS are you using? Example: 623, -1, -2, or -3... 3rd, what is the exact model # of your CPU as would be listed here? TRY THESE (listed in order as you see in you BIOS): GENIE BIOS FSB Bus Frequency - 250 or 255 or 260 LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio - 4 x CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - 9 x PCI eXpress Frequency - 104Mhz CPU VID StartUp Value - 1.55v CPU VID Control - 1.25v CPU VID Special Control - Avove VID * 126% LDT Voltage Control - 1.30v Chip Set Voltage Control - 1.60v DRAM Voltage Control - 3.50v DRAM CONFIGURATION DRAM Frequency Set - 200 (DRAM/FSB:1/01) Command Per Clock (CPC) - Enable CAS Latency Control (Tcl) - 2.0 RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) - 02 Bus Clocks Min RAS# active time (Tras) - 08 Bus Clocks Row precharge time (Trp) - 02 Bus Clocks Row Cycle time (Trc) - 07 Bus Clocks Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) - 15 Bus Clocks Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 02 Bus Clocks Write recovery time (Twr) - 02 Bus Clocks Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 02 Bus Clocks Refresh Period (Tref) - 0388, 0516, 0780, 1560 or 3072 Cycles Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 01 DRAM Bank Interleave - Enabled DQS Skew Control - Decrease DQS Skew Value - 0 DRAM Drive Strength - Level 7 DRAM Data Drive Strength - Level 2 Max Async Latency - 06,0ns, 07.0ns, 08.0ns or 09.0ns Read Preamble Time - 06.0ns IdleCycle Limit - 64 Cycles Dynamic Counter - Enable or Auto R/W Queue Bypass - 2 x Bypass Max - 01 x 32 Byte Granularity - Enable(? Bursts) If that doesn't go, set it all to AUTO. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :cool: DRACULA • MoBo = DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR • CPU = FX-57 (90nm process, San Diego core) [ADAFX57BNBOX] • Memory = 1GB of OCZ Technology (1T Mode), EL DDR PC-4800 Dual Channel Platinum Elite Edition (hand-picked, 100% TCCD chips), Qt.2 [OCZ6001024EEPE-K] • Hard Drives = a) 74GB WD Raptor, Qt.4 [WD740GD] B) 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7K500 SATA II, Qt.4 [0A31619] *** Total SATA Storage: 2.296 Terabytes *** • BIOS = 702-2 with Change-Log Update • OS = Windows XP Pro SP2 and Windows XP Pro x64-bit • Video Card (single card, non-SLI Mode) = BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC™ PCIe 512MB GDDR3/TV-Out/Dual-DVI (Retail Box) [bFGR68512UOCX] • Video Driver (nVIDIA) = ForceWare v77.77 (non-Beta) • Monitor = ViewSonic VP191b (new 8ms revision) • Optical Drives = ASUS DRW-1608p, Qt.2 [DRW1608P] • Floppy Drive = MITSUMI 8 in 1, Multi-Media Drive [FA404M] • Case = Aspire X-Navigator, mid-Tower [ATXA8NW-BK] • Cooling (air only) = a) Thermalright XP-90C Heat-Sink B) 92mm Vantec Tornado (119 CFM - 4800 RPM's - 56.4 dBA) CPU Fan [TD9238H] c) Arctic Silver 5 compound • PSU = Thermaltake, 680 Watts, SLI-ready [W0049] • Audio = Creative Labs, GigaWorks S750 (700 Watts, 7.1 Channel Speaker System – Retail) [51MF7010AA000] "Feel however you want. Your opinion still has all the appeal of a warm, flat beer." GENIE BIOS LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio - 4 x ...............WRONG! anything over 250 needs 3x! PCI eXpress Frequency - 104Mhz......WRONG! leave it at 100 since its stable and anything over doesn't help anything! DRAM Voltage Control - 3.50v...........This sounds awful high to me, are you overclocking? Do you have cooling on the ram? DRAM CONFIGURATION Refresh Period (Tref) - 0388, 0516, 0780, 1560 or 3072 Cycles....3120 is a known good one Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 01.............I suggest auto! If that doesn't go, set it all to AUTO.........this is TERRIBLE advice, IMO! Oh-kay, it's clear to me that you have done little, to no research on this because you plainly do not have a clue on one thing you just said, so I am going to set the record straight. I am going to illustrate the points you "claim" are wrong and I will show you why they aren't. First, I stated at the very beginning of my post, that Murphi needs to give us far more complete information. What was given to us was not thorough at all. Secondly, those settings are for high-end components only; Murphi is using OCZ VX Gold PC 4000 RAM, AMD 3500+ CPU and a LANPARTY NF4 SLI-DR motherboard. The processor is good and in fact I actually lowered the voltage on the CPU from 1.595v to 1.575v. As for the RAM and the Motherboard, they both are high-end pieces of hardware, designed for this sort of rigorous and brutal use. Thirdly, how do you know for fact that these 5 settings are wrong? Have you ever tested them? If so, how thorough were you? What kinds of programs do you have at your disposal to do testing? How many hours have you spent doing tests? What kind of hardware are you sporting? Is your hardware even up to the challenge? ***Before you slam someone's suggestion why not check it out first; I can plainly tell you didn't. Here's where you went wrong: LDT/FSB Frequency Ratio - 4 x ? Actually, if you had talked to any of the tech guys over at OCZ (Jimmy), CORSAIR (Ryan and Dylan), GeIL (Douglas and John) and at DFI itself (Frank Wong and Ogie) FG, you would've known that the LDT (Lightening Data Transport, a.k.a. - Hyper-Transport) can be safely pushed up to 1100MHz on the SLI-DR board without hurting it. 1000MHz is the just a default. I personally have been running my LDT at 1100MHz for about 5 months now without incident. Even with the FSB at 260MHz, a 4x multiplier is only 1040MHz; well bellow 1100. At 250MHz x 4 is 1000MHz (which is right at spec) and 255MHz x 4 is only 1020. Those settings aren't going to hurt Murphi's SLI-DR board, or mine or anyone else's. PCI eXpress Frequency - 104MHz ? Again, you make WRONG assumptions and jump to conclusions. For as long as I've had my LDT at 1100MHz, I've had my PCI eXpress Frequency set at 112MHz. I've had it stable at as high as 120MHz. The default of 100MHz is the same as 2500MHz when expressed as the PCI eXpress Bus. In other words, I've had the bus as high and stable as 3000MHz, and it does improve games and benchmarks. A frequency of 104MHz = 2600MHz bus and is only 100MHz higher on the PCI eXpress Bus than stock. He could go to 108MHz and that wouldn't hurt a thing. DRAM Voltage Control - 3.50v ? Perhaps if you knew some of the guys over at INSANETEK (like John Chen or Randy Torio) you would have known that the VX Golds can take a beating and not break a sweat. So now this is where you show the whole world that you just don't know your RAM. OCZ covers their Winbond UTT ICs on the OCZ PC4000 VX Golds with a full LIFETIME WARRANTY, all the way up to 3.5 volts (yes, click on the volts); it's listed right on the OCZ website. I wanted Murphi to use a higher VDIMM because the settings I've listed for him are a bit tighter than Travis' who, by the way, was running his VDIMM at 3.4 volts for his setup which is a whole, great, big 0.1 volts less than mine! And, I lowered the VCORE on the CPU compared to Travis' setup too. I have seen NO improvement with a VCORE set really high and you run the risk of toasting your CPU. Given the choice I would rather fry the RAM than the CPU. And anyway, 3.5v is in spec for this stuff and I have seen guys run it safely up to 4.0v (but not past that). As for cooling, he didn't list what he's got and that is really his concern anyway. Refresh Period (Tref) - 0388, 0516, 0780, 1560 or 3072 Cycles....3120 is a known good one ??? Yep, that's it! A tREF of 3120 is the ONLY usable tREF setting in the BIOS...no, the whole world!!! All those other, "so callled" tREF settings aren't actually real. They were put in there by Oskar Wu as a joke! Real funny guy that Oskar; I tell ya'! 3120 is stable, yes, but it's hardly the only "good" setting. Just because Travis had "(seems to be a/ Bh-5,6 sweet spot at 250+mhz)" on his list does NOT make it the "end-all, be-all" tREF setting to end ALL tREF settings. Like most people out there, I bet you don't no 'jack' about tREF; even the moderators, super moderators and administrators are still figuring this theoretical stuff out. It's still pretty new and experimental to all of us. And btw, Winbond UTT ICs are not identical to BH-5s. JSYK, tREF is my specialized area of expertise. A tREF of 3120 is stable yes, but it is actually at the lower and slower end of data-bandwidth performance, compared to others. 0516 and 0388 are much, much higher in bandwidth performance. I listed 1560 and 3072 because that is where most higher end memory sits, natively. There is NOTHING wrong with those settings. 0016, 0032, 0064 and 0128 are the dicey settings to which you should be careful. Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - 01.............I suggest auto! ????? You just don't know do you. Even Travis has recommended a setting of 01 Ticks...right here...on this website! Almost all PC3200 and higher DDR1, 184pin memory runs natively at 01 Ticks. If you have A64 Tweaker, go into your BIOS, set it to "auto". Log back in to Windows, open up your A64 Tweaker, look at the tWCL. I'll bet you that it reads as 01. The bottom line is that a lot of this is still theory, when it comes to tweaking your system's memory for Over-Clocking. NO ONE, has the right to look down on anyone else here because we are all still learning. No matter what I or you or anyone else tells Murphi, HE and he alone will have to still try this stuff out for himself. He will have to do a lot of his own experimenting to find the elusive "best setting" for his system. And if you will recall FG, The very last thing I said to Murphi was that if all else fails, set it all to "auto" (except for the 4 primary settings of CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS which you can start out by setting them to their stock settings...or you still could do everything "auto", if you'd like). And you said, in response,how "TERRIBLE" that was. Yeah, because setting all of your BIOS to auto, as a starting point will, BLOW-UP YOUR COMPUTER!! That comment of yours was not only unnecessary, but rude and shows us exactly what you don't know about RAM on this board! Now personally, I hate "auto" settings. If you want everything on "auto" you shouldn't have bought this board in the first place. You should have picked up an ASUS Premium mobo instead. Look, I don't have any problems with any of the people here and I want it to stay that way. Please test this stuff before you pontificate on the very dogmatic subject of RAM, and good luck to you! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :cool: DRACULA • MoBo = DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR • CPU = FX-57 (90nm process, San Diego core) [ADAFX57BNBOX] • Memory = 1GB of OCZ Technology (1T Mode), EL DDR PC-4800 Dual Channel Platinum Elite Edition (hand-picked, 100% TCCD chips), Qt.2 [OCZ6001024EEPE-K] • Hard Drives = a) 74GB WD Raptor, Qt.4 [WD740GD] B) 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7K500 SATA II, Qt.4 [0A31619] *** Total SATA Storage: 2.296 Terabytes *** • BIOS = 702-2 with Change-Log Update • OS = Windows XP Pro SP2 and Windows XP Pro x64-bit • Video Card (single card, non-SLI Mode) = BFG GeForce 6800 Ultra OC™ PCIe 512MB GDDR3/TV-Out/Dual-DVI (Retail Box) [bFGR68512UOCX] • Video Driver (nVIDIA) = ForceWare v77.77 (non-Beta) • Monitor = ViewSonic VP191b (new 8ms revision) • Optical Drives = ASUS DRW-1608p, Qt.2 [DRW1608P] • Floppy Drive = MITSUMI 8 in 1, Multi-Media Drive [FA404M] • Case = Aspire X-Navigator, mid-Tower [ATXA8NW-BK] • Cooling (air only) = a) Thermalright XP-90C Heat-Sink B) 92mm Vantec Tornado (119 CFM - 4800 RPM's - 56.4 dBA) CPU Fan [TD9238H] c) Arctic Silver 5 compound • PSU = Thermaltake, 680 Watts, SLI-ready [W0049] • Audio = Creative Labs, GigaWorks S750 (700 Watts, 7.1 Channel Speaker System – Retail) [51MF7010AA000] "Feel however you want. 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Fluffy Bunny Posted September 7, 2005 Posted September 7, 2005 Good Morning, I am a noob and proud of it!!!! People have to learn it is our nature to do so.That is what makes us human,always striving to be better,anyway onto my questions, 1. Nice responce dracula ,people should not flame other peoples work......you could have been a bit more gentle in getting your point across though LOL ,but I could see where you were coming from. 2. I have been trying to overclock my system with a little success but I have seen to hit a wall. I would like some opions on where I have gone wrong as I am sure I have.I enclose a report from everest from the overclock section:- p.s sorry if it feels long winded !! --------[ EVEREST Ultimate Edition 2005 © 2003-2005 Lavalys, Inc. ]--------------------------------------------------- Version EVEREST v2.20.405 Benchmark Module 1.02.88.0 Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/ Report Type Report Wizard Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail) Date 2005-09-07 Time 08:30 --------[ Summary ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer: Computer Type ACPI Uniprocessor PC Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional OS Service Pack Service Pack 2 Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180 (IE 6.0 SP2) DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c) Date / Time 2005-09-07 / 08:30 Motherboard: CPU Type AMD Athlon 64, 2433 MHz (11 x 221) 3800+ Motherboard Name DFI nF4 Series Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce4, AMD Hammer System Memory 2048 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM) BIOS Type Award (06/23/05) Communication Port Communications Port (COM1) Display: Video Adapter RADEON X800 Series - Secondary (256 MB) Video Adapter RADEON X800 Series (256 MB) 3D Accelerator ATI Radeon X800 XL (R430) Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] (8250) Multimedia: Audio Adapter nVIDIA MCP04 - Audio Codec Interface Storage: IDE Controller NVIDIA nForce4 ADMA Controller IDE Controller NVIDIA nForce4 ADMA Controller IDE Controller NVIDIA nForce4 Parallel ATA Controller SCSI/RAID Controller A347SCSI SCSI Controller Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive Disk Drive Maxtor 6B200M0 (200 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA) Disk Drive Maxtor 4R120L0 (120 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133) Disk Drive Maxtor 2B020H1 (20 GB, 5400 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100) Disk Drive Generic USB SD Reader USB Device Disk Drive Generic USB CF Reader USB Device Disk Drive Generic USB SM Reader USB Device Disk Drive Generic USB MS Reader USB Device Optical Drive _NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A (DVD+R9:4x, DVD-R9:4x, DVD+RW:16x/8x, DVD-RW:16x/6x, DVD-ROM:16x, CD:48x/24x/48x DVD+RW/DVD-RW) Optical Drive AXV CD/DVD-ROM SCSI CdRom Device (Virtual DVD-ROM) Optical Drive TSSTcorp DVD-ROM TS-H352A (16x/48x DVD-ROM) SMART Hard Disks Status OK Partitions: C: (NTFS) 29996 MB (12046 MB free) D: (NTFS) 60000 MB (12636 MB free) E: (NTFS) 80000 MB (41222 MB free) F: (NTFS) 44468 MB (9394 MB free) G: (NTFS) 60000 MB (44956 MB free) H: (NTFS) 19532 MB (18825 MB free) I: (NTFS) 29999 MB (17230 MB free) J: (NTFS) 7244 MB (6910 MB free) Total Size 323.5 GB (159.4 GB free) Input: Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard Mouse Microsoft PS/2 Port Mouse (IntelliPoint) Game Controller Microsoft PC-joystick driver Peripherals: Printer EPSON Stylus Photo 890 Printer EPSON Stylus Photo R300 Series Printer Microsoft Office Document Image Writer Printer PaperPort Color Printer PaperPort FireWire Controller VIA VT6307 Fire IIM IEEE1394 Host Controller Infrared Controller Infrared Port USB1 Controller nVIDIA MCP04 - OHCI USB Controller USB2 Controller nVIDIA MCP04 - EHCI USB 2.0 Controller USB Device Generic USB Hub USB Device Pro Cam #7 USB Device USB Human Interface Device USB Device USB Mass Storage Device USB Device Xerox 2400 #4 DMI: DMI BIOS Vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD DMI BIOS Version 6.00 PG DMI System Manufacturer DMI System Product DMI System Version DMI System Serial Number DMI Motherboard Manufacturer DFI Corp,LTD DMI Motherboard Product LP NF4 Series DMI Motherboard Version 1.0 DMI Motherboard Serial Number DMI Chassis Manufacturer DMI Chassis Version DMI Chassis Serial Number DMI Chassis Asset Tag DMI Chassis Type Desktop Case DMI Total / Free Memory Sockets 4 / 2 --------[ Overclock ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CPU Properties: CPU Type AMD Athlon 64 3800+ CPU Alias Winchester S939 CPU Stepping DH-D0 CPUID CPU Name AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3500+ CPUID Revision 00010FF0h CPU Speed: CPU Clock 2419.79 MHz CPU Multiplier 11.0x CPU FSB 219.98 MHz (original: 200 MHz, overclock: 10%) Memory Bus 201.65 MHz CPU Cache: L1 Code Cache 64 KB (Parity) L1 Data Cache 64 KB (ECC) L2 Cache 512 KB (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed) Motherboard Properties: Motherboard ID 06/23/2005-NF-CK804-6A61FD49C-00 Motherboard Name DFI nF4 Series Chipset Properties: Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce4, AMD Hammer Memory Timings 2-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) Command Rate (CR) 1T SPD Memory Modules: DIMM3: GeIL CL3-4-4-DDR 400 1 GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-4-4-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz) DIMM4: GeIL CL3-4-4-DDR 400 1 GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (3.0-4-4-8 @ 200 MHz) (2.5-3-3-7 @ 166 MHz) (2.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz) BIOS Properties: System BIOS Date 06/23/05 Video BIOS Date 01/03/05 Award BIOS Type Phoenix - Award WorkstationBIOS v6.00PG Award BIOS Message (N4D623-3) EVALUATION ROM - NOT FOR SALE DMI BIOS Version 6.00 PG Graphics Processor Properties: Video Adapter Hightech Radeon X800 XL GPU Code Name R430 (PCI Express x16 1002 / 554D, Rev 00) GPU Clock 441 MHz (original: 400 MHz, overclock: 10%) Memory Clock 572 MHz (original: 490 MHz, overclock: 17%) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners. I think that covers it, other that my dram voltage is set to 2.7 and ldt is at x4 .I am also running on a divider of 180. If anyone can help me tune my system any better I would be very happy and grateful. I have used the guides on this site to get this far but would seem to need alittle more help to finnish this . Many thanks Fluffy Bunny edit sorry just added sig details Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphi Posted September 7, 2005 Posted September 7, 2005 1st, you need to create a proper signature in your user CP with all of your hardware listed in a neat column; including your OS and BIOS. 2nd, what BIOS are you using? Example: 623, -1, -2, or -3... 3rd, what is the exact model # of your CPU as would be listed here? DFI LanParty U-D BIOS 310 Winchi 3200 sc 939 OCZ DDR400 2*512 OCZ PS 520W XFX 6600 GT 128 GDDR3 Maxtor Diamomnd+9 SATA 200 GB XP¬¬ My CPU IS: http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/de...n=ADA3200DIK4BI Murphi is using OCZ VX Gold PC 4000 RAM, AMD 3500+ CPU and a LANPARTY NF4 SLI-DR motherboard. No.......I put the example of this,because,with my cpu&Ram they have not done it.... The Winchi 3k5 and ocz 4k is the one of the example....Nothing more I don´t want agressive timmings..... But I´m a newie with this and I don´t kow what latencies(Timmings) are well for to begin....... Do you have cooling on the ram? On the ram no On the cpu,gpu and nForce4 yes..... I find more and I see that: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10195 DFI LANPARTY nF4 Ultra-D - 3/10/2005 BIOS AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Winchester Socket 939 Model ADA3200DIK3BI - CBBID 0506 But the ram not the same.....: 2x512MB Corsair Value Select VS512MB400 (DDR PC3200 512MB) I need timmings to begin the oc......But not low.....I already lowered them when it touches.... Tx 4 all,people I know that it to explain to a noob the things..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphi Posted September 7, 2005 Posted September 7, 2005 Nobody ????? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THunDA Posted September 7, 2005 Posted September 7, 2005 Murphi.. You should read through the overclocking guide and learn to find the maxes of your components.. There is also ALOT of great info in there for you to learn about the settings you are changing and not just change them because someone says to.. Lets be nice everyone, if you feel the need to resolve something use pm's.. I will be watching this thread .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphi Posted September 7, 2005 Posted September 7, 2005 With settings of FG not boot......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphi Posted September 10, 2005 Posted September 10, 2005 Finnaly,I put this settings(With BIOS 704-2BT) and works fine.....: In Genie Bios 200 auto 16 16 auto 100 disable 1.450v auto auto 1.30v 1.70v 3.2V Dram Config 200 enable 2.0 02 06 02 13 16 03 03 02 03 1560 or 3120 auto enabled auto 0 Level 8 level 2 8ns normal 6ns 256 disable 16 07 disable But,at fsb 210,prime say "1 error".... Somebody knows why? TX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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