Has anybody had or ever used either of those components, are they any good. How well built is the case, how well does it cool. Also the PSU how is it for realiability and is the modular section implemented well (e.g. are the only a couple of the cables that are actually removable; I realise some are fixed but an idea for how much neater they can be would be nice).
If any alternative is offered then they need to be within the following (ight) budget
Must be modular
At least 600 watt
I can handle ugly but god-awful is out
Supports at least one 180mm+ fan.
I was looking at a raven aswell, a bit ugly but they do offer good cooling from what I've heard. If I save money on one part then I'd put the remainder towards the other (total budget is around 300 but if the parts are worth it then I'd increase). This is part of a larger upgrade build, but I can't actually do anything until my PSU is upgraded and as it was bundled and bolted to the case then that means I'll need a new case aswell (generic model case god awful cooling).