MadZalmanModder

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edit: after going back onto yahoo weather, the source intake temps for that night was -17C (0F) I suck at conversions. so those temps are perfectly normal and dont suck, as since i have had 3 dual core amd 939 cpu's (2 x2 3800 and an fx-60) and 5 different zalman's (3 9500's and 2 9700's) and the cooler of the two cores has always generally been 9 to 11 C above ambient intake. I am guessing that is due to just using generic thermal compound.

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danzgpgt97, let me kick some physics knowledge at you. I do not suffer from condensation, and here is why. condensation occurs when two things happen.. 1: warm moist air comes in contact with a cooler surface, slowing down the air movement, which causes the water molecules to slow down and form onto the cooler surface. 2: lack of air flow prevents fresh air intake to vent out the warm moist air. and now to fully understand why i do not have condensation problems... i am intaking cold air, with a decent amount of cfm, into the case, and all the "old" air gets sucked out of the case via the fans. this prevents reason #2 listed above, from happening. another reason i dont have condensation is because the entire inside case is colder than the heatsink, so there is no warm air being cooled down and slowed. and now i will address the stupidest thing you said in your whole comment: umm... -8C/2C for air cooling DOES NOT SUCK umm... if the intake is -30C and the cpu under load is -8c (mind you the heatsink is hotter then the rest of the air) how the hell could the inside of my case be HOTTER?you need to read up on how condensation actually occurs. try looking up weatherizing houses pertaining to condensation. but, before you research that, go buy some smartroids as your logic shows you need them

I don't see how this doesn't fit into the "standard air cooling method's", since after all, i am just using case fans and air cooling heat sink and air...

the fx-60 just has an unlocked multiplier. if you can find an x2 4400 or a 4800, go with those, but i think the 4800 (if you can find it) is around $160. Do you plan to over-clock at all?

hence the reason above that i clarified 3 different sets of ambient temps, and that people use "ambient" in too much of a general term and not literal definitions. Warm summer temps dont bother me. it is 90F outside and my core temps are 10C/20C.

How does it work? Microsoft allows large hardware manufacturers (e.g. ASUS, HP, Dell) to ship their products containing a Windows Vista installation that does NOT require any kind of product activation as this might be considered an unnecessary inconvenience for the end-user. Instead these so-called 'Royalty OEMs' are granted the right to embed certain license information into their hardware products, which can be validated by Windows Vista to make obtaining further activation information (online or by phone) obsolete. This mechanism is commonly referred to as 'SLP 2.0' ('system-locked pre-installation 2.0') and consists of the following three key elements: 1. The OEM's hardware-embedded BIOS ACPI_SLIC information signed by Microsoft. 2. A certificate issued by Microsoft that corresponds to the specific ACPI_SLIC information. The certificate is an XML file found on the OEM's installation/recovery media, ususally called something like 'oemname.xrm-ms'. 3. A special type of product key that corresponds to the installed edition of Windows Vista. This key can usually be obtained from some installation script found on the OEM's installation/recovery media or directly from a pre-installed OEM system. If all three elements match Windows Vista's licensing mechansim considers the given installation a valid system-locked pre-activated copy (that does not require any additional product activation procedures).

and to clarify, the -8c/+2c temps were achieved with an ambient air intake of -29C

radodrill, obviously you have not looked at my slideshow. And throw any temp software my way, and u will see that everest is not wrong, build after build after build. And I too have had college physics course, while in high school. You need to expand your thinking.

for what it is, and the price it is, really, you can't go wrong. mind you, it won't be a powerhouse for gaming though

The Bios tag.. on newer motherboards that taunt "vista ready" have some tag in the bios that identifies itself as vista is being installed, and that tag eliminates constant validation. (if i remember right, its like every 3 months the product activation kicks off if your bios is not tagged)

well, an x2 3800 is like $50 now. value wise (and over-clock) they are a great chip. I had two prior to my fx-60. one was a toledo and the other was a manchester. both over clocked about the same, but the toledo core gave better ram over-clocks and better latency.

radodrill, yes, you can get sub-zero temps (in C) when your pc is inside your house. and yes, it is VERY possible.. as i have done it on many many many many occasions, WITH my pc in my house! My pc dont plug into the power outside as there are no outside outlets and i dont use extension cords. plus, who wants to game while freezing? get fragged alot from shivering if you did.

i paid $300 for my skt 939 FX-60 on ebay. but shortly after that, the prices climbed again