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No, it just shows how fickle the stupid American public really is.....Hmmm, now has he fullfilled his pre-war promises, or even JUSTIFIED this war for that matter? Didn't think so.

wow, thank god no one else supports your opinion....you are ALONE on this one.. It's funny, I remember you saying that I was whacked out, and on the deep end of the political left....well, assuming that's true, you are WHACKED OUT, AND ON THE DEEP END OF THE POLITICAL RIGHT!!!!

dude, relax. I think we ALL have the realization that the busses are double and quad pumped....It's how it's marketed, and it is the way it is generally talked about.....give it a break.

Why am I a conspiracy theorist? Because I want to see for myself, as opposed to blindly believing? Well, if that's what you think, call me a conspiracy theorist.....I can think of worse to be called.

Turn on CNN real quick....they haven't proven either. They haven't even finished the test results......besides...what constitutes "proof" from a government agency? Am I allowed to personally view the data? Is any civilian?

http://www.mccmedia.com/pipermail/brin-l/W...923/000960.html http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2002/10/09102002155130.asp http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=31718

http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/threshld/thresh02.html hmmm its a gov link off this page, I wanted to show you 03 poverty guidelines, but just check out 2002 instead, not much of a diff. http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dmcm/Articles/Ownership.htm You obviously haven't read much about Socialism, because its FULL 100% COLLECTIVISIM, don't give me a BS model of a gov't that has socialism and capitalism, WERE TALKING ABOUT SOCIALISM!!!! Yes in "SOME" socialist gov't the smaller businesses are privately owned, Not always has it been this way and not all "socialist" gov't follow this model. Okay about the poor scenario, Your parents can't even work for MINIMUM WAGE!?!?! if they did they would have a combined salary of $23,000, WHICH IS WELL ABOVE THE POVERTY LINE, EVEN WITH 1 Child, as you can see in my link above.... #1 IMHO your parents should not have had a kid, if they aren't FINANCIALLY SECURE!! #2 IM Sure you get these socialist ideas from your parents... therefor next time, in another life, they should learn to be financially intact b4 having children, instead of blaming EVERYTHING on CAPITALISM!!! #3 So why do you mooch of the GOv't? (If you do that is) In this life or the next you will pay for your ways. When this does occur, may God have more mercy on you, than you have for others.

You know what, when it comes down to it though, I like this. It's clean (for the most part....*ahem*), healthy discussion. I feel passionate about this, and I don't feel the need to censor myself. This is raw honesty and that is admirable at the very least.

LMAO!!!! You say YOUR sources are credible???? Uhh, everyone take a look at that wonderful neutral source of his.... www.jewishworldreview.com I think that's laughable that you accuse me of being one sided with my sources and you choose the jewish world review as a source!!??!?!? Since you seem to hold your "GDP Per capita" argument so near and dear to you, maybe you should take a look at this..... http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/gdp_country_desc.php Hmm, that looks like Luxembourg stomping all over US .....Now....Scandenavian, wealthy, high per cap. GDP, OODLES OF SOCIAL PROGRAMS....lets take a look at the major political parties in Luxembourg: Political parties and leaders: Christian Social People's Party or CSV [Erna HENNICOT-SCHOEPGES]; Luxembourg Socialist Workers' Party or LSAP [ben FAYOT]; Democratic Party or DP [Lydie Wurth POLFER]; Action Committee for Democracy and Pension Rights [Roby MEHLEN]; the Green Alternative [Abbes JACOBY]; other minor parties Also, take a look at ranks 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, ect.....now, none of these countries are socialist....no REAL socialst country currently, or previously has existed. What do these countries all have in common though? MORE SOCIAL PROGRAMS! they have realized the real benefit of security for all, and have made STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION....it's just a matter of time. Oh yeah...that warms the soul. I really feel bad for you....you hold so dear to you a system that you know is not right that you will stop at NOTHING to defend it.....Deep down, you want to face the reality that this kind of a system is MUCH better overall, but you are so stubborn you won't admit it. YOU are the one who needs to go back to school my young friend.

Unfortunately, they are NOT a "top 10 or 20% and bottom 10 or 20%." they are more like a top 1-3% and a bottom 90-95%, so once again, I will repost my post: "If we divided the income of the US into thirds, we find that the top ten percent of the population gets a third, the next thirty percent gets another third, and the bottom sixty percent get the last third. If we divide the wealth of the US into thirds, we find that the top one percent own a third, the next nine percent own another third, and the bottom ninety percent claim the rest. (Actually, these percentages, true a decade ago, are now out of date. The top one percent are now estimated to own between forty and fifty percent of the nation's wealth, more than the combined wealth of the bottom 95%.)" How can you even CONSIDER that an indicator? The scale is skewed....The BILLIONS AND BILLIONS that those at the top make offset the death wages that those at the bottom make.....do you not understand how a scale works?....once again, I'll repost. http://www.lcurve.org/ and that graph is for a family of MEDIAN income....it is multiples worse for someone at the bottom of the payscale. That is a natural occurrance for any advancing society....as technological/social/political advances are made, the households get smaller. Higher incomes mean nothing when the gap is widening, so again..... http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0113/p09s01-coop.html Call me stupid, but I don't even see the relevance of that argument, or what it gains!??????? That is an absolute outright LIE. It is absolutely not possible, given the way the system works, that someone in the bottom 20% can rise to the top 20%. THERE IS NO LONGER SUCH A THING AS SOCIAL MOBILITY!! It is the "American (pipe)dream" That is very true. Did you also know that the number of hours that we work has increased in that same period of time? We are uselessly working ourselves to the bone unecessarily. http://www.simpleliving.net/timeday/in-the-news-april-12.asp According to the International Labor Organization, Americans now work 1,978 hours annually, a full 350 hours - nine weeks - more than Western Europeans. The average American actually worked 199 hours more in 200 than he or she did in 1973, a period during which worker productivity per hour nearly doubled. What happened? In effect, the United States as a society took all of its increases in labor productivity in the form of money and stuff instead of time. Of course, we didn't all get the money; the very poor earn even less in real terms that they did then, and the largest share of the increase went to the richest Americans. The harmful effects of working more hours are being felt in many areas of society. Stress is a leading cause of heart disease and weakened immune systems. Consumption of fast foods and lack of time for exercise has led to an epidemic of obesity and diabetes. Many parents complain that they do not have enough time to spend with their children, much less become involved in their community. Worker productivity declines during the latter part of long work shifts. HOW CAN YOU DENY THIS?!?!?!?!? Anything else? By contrast, over the past 30 years, Europeans have made a different choice - to live simpler, more balanced lives and work fewer hours. The average Norwegian, for instance, works 29 percent less than the average American - 14 weeks per year - yet this average income is only 16 percent less. Western Europeans average five to six weeks of paid vacation a year; we average two. Work and consumption are not necessarily bad. But producing and consuming can become the focus of a person's life - at the expense of other values.

Sorry about that theArmy, but you gotta work on some of those Canadians to think like you WOW is all i have to say howie i have responded to every single on of your posts reread the whole post and see when you stopped commenting about the rich vs poor Furthermore as theArmy stated i couldn't have said it better myself "Comparing the american government to the Nazis is just ludicrous. Its an ignorant crutch your using to avoid the true arguement. Go spread your bleeding heart propaganda somewhere else." To compare our gov't to Nazi's shows how off the wall you are.. Please, show me what FACTS did you state? How? Because I don't condone corruption and facism?

You better register THE DAY you turn 18....I'm not sure which state you are in, but in some states there are a certain number of days that you have to register in before the election.....In California it's 15 http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/elections_vr.htm I hope you are able to vote.

I was responding to all the posts that were made....The TOPIC keeps jumping around....how is that my fault? Every instance you gave was a response, and you, as usual, once again have NO response to the information I posted..... I find that ironic. So was the Nazi regime in Germany for many years.....we all know what happened to them. When the masses decide it's time for a change, there will be a change....I'm just preparing, are you?

Don't get me wrong, Capitalism was useful in its time. It provided a motivation for humans to gain knowledge and become educated at the prospect of success. We realize that now, and it is time to move on. http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dmcm/ http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dmcm/Articles/Brochure.htm You all respect Albert Einstein's ideas right? http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/library/why_soc.htm & The original, whole text http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einst.htm http://www.econlib.org/library/Mises/msSContents.html