elwabbo

Cheers guys...I'll probably start the lazy way and do a fresh install when I have the time. Regards

Hi, Title says it all really. I am thinking of upgrading my NF4 Ultra-D to DFI LANPARTY NF4 SLI-DR. I want the extra features of the DR board, but I do not want to do a fresh windows install if at all possible. (I wont be using SLI ....its the extra 4 sata ports I want). I know that normally you MUST do a fresh OS installation if you change your mobo.....but I am hoping these 2 boards are so close that I wouldnt need to in this case. Anybody got any experience of this? Regards

Hi noahsark1126, Thanks. I'll give your timings a go. Maybe they'll get me closer still to my initial (and pretty optimistic) target of 2700MHz. Regards El Wabbo

Hi Dragavon, Sorry Dude....I called you Dravagon...I meant Dragavon. Regards El Pratto

Hi Dravagon, I spent all of last week on a downward spiral with the Mushkin memory before I decided to attack the OCZ stuff again. Your post was very useful. I had forgotten about changing the CPU multiplier, since my mindset has always been to increase this setting, never to decrease. But it did get me thinking. A day or two after I read your post, I got a response from the OCZ support team on the same topic. The similarity to your settings was, he suggested changing to an 8 CPU multiplier and upping the FSB. He also informed me that the divider table for the memory had 'errors' in it. This means that, due to limited space, some settings actually reside where others are meant to and therefore when you select a divider you may actually not get this setting but another….potentially even a multiplier. In this instance the guy at OCZ (whose advice was much appreciated and virtually spot on) recommended 133/200, but also to reduce the PC divider and up the FSB, as mentioned above. However, the PC would not boot using the 133 divider regardless of what the FSB was…right down to 200. Remembering what he had said about the divider table I thought I would try 120/200, only to discover this was actually the 133/200 divider. The result was successful. I have been able to boot into widows and complete OCCD at up to 326x8 on 2,3,2,5@1T. Subsequently, I have had to drop down to 317 to get it stable (although still at stock voltage…except for 1.425V + 110%........so everything is even running a little cooler too compared to what I had been using previously). I do not expect any major problems from now on tho’. The system feels pretty good, and I doubt I will have to make any major changes from these settings. Completed about 6 hours of PI so far although I’ll leave it running for a few days. Dravagon….you were right…now I have got this stuff working, it just feels like ‘quality’, and thanks to ERyder at OCZ…he the MAN (most of the settings below are his recomendations). I just wish I had asked for help earlier. Anyway here are what I hope to be my final settings. I do have another CPU I was going to try but I guess the FSB will be maxed out at around 317 anyway. I’ll give it ago at some point tho’. In Genie Bios 317 auto 16 16 8 100 disable 1.425v 1.425V 110% 1.20v 1.50v 2.7V DRAM Config 133 (resulting ram speed should be 211) enable 2 3 5 2 10 16 2 2 1 3 3120 auto (704-2BT bios does not have this setting) enabled auto 0 Level 6 (called Normal 3 in 704-2BT bios) Level 2 8ns normal 6ns 256 disable 16 04 disable Adios El Wabbo Edit - Been running Prime 95 now for approaching 30 hours and still stable on these settings.

Hi Dragavon, Wow. Seems like you have achieved what I am trying to do, all be it with different kit. Your bios settings would be interesting to look at (ie all the memory settings, voltage stuff and any other changes ovewr the stock 0623 bios . I guess they probably arent transferable to my system because of the differnces between our setups, especially the CPU, but hey you never know. I dont suppose you would mind sending me a note of these settings some time. Cheers El Wabbo

HI iamkoza, We'll both have to wait and see if any answers come out of this thread, but given the amount of time I have already sunk into this, unless someone provides a blinding revelation.....I think we are both stuffed for OCing. In the meantime id you use the settings I posted and make Rgone's alterations you might see a 10% OC. Cheers El Wabbo

Hi RGone, Thanks for your help, its much appreciated. I havent explained my aims and the situation I have found myself in, well. So I will try and clarify. I am not trying to OC the processor and keep the memory running at 1:1. I am trying to use the dividers allow the processor FSB to be increased while keeping the memory at stock speeds. I’d like to explain where my refence to 220FSB comes from. Bearing in mind my objective, the situation is that I cannot boot this board, with the pair of OCZ memory sticks fitted, using a divider at any FSB speed (it will boot at 9/10 but is extremely unstable). This means that when I work my FSB speeds back down from the maximum stable settings achieved with a single memory stick (282 with 133/200 divider) it has no effect since the board will not boot until I bring the dividers back up to 1:1. The 2 settings cross over at 220FSB, which is why I mentioned it. I actually had no intentions of trying to OC the memory, since I bought it due to its very tight timings when run at stock speeds, expecting to be able to run it at stock using a divider to up the processor. Quote:Originally Posted by RGone Some memory and memory controller in the cpu will just not play with other and nothing changes that. Would you normally expect that a memory controller will work at nothing other than parity and is this model specific or luck of the draw? I have had another Venice 3000 and a Winchester 3000 in this rig, all with the same result as above. Would you consider this outcome normal? I guess this points to the memory settings or a general incompatabilty between the OCZ memory (at the very least the pair I have) and the mobo when trying to use any divider. Would you agree? Thanks for your memory timing adjustments. I’ll give them a go. Cheers El Wabbo PS. I appreciated your previous answers so I don’t suppose you know the answers to the rest of my earlier questions below? Quote: Originally Posted by El Wabbo 4. Is the ‘Memory Interleaving’ setting responsible for ‘Dual channel’ operation? 5. If I am to use both memory sticks in ‘Single Channel’ mode, which slots would I physically place the sticks in, and what memory setting would I have to change in the bios? 6. If I am able to use both memory sticks but in single channel mode, would the resulting performance hit be noticeable/prohibitive? 7. What exactly are the ‘Errata’ bios entries for? (I read these were both to do with X2 core enhancements…is this true?).

Hi Pandamonia, Yeah...I am begining to think maybe I've got a hardware problem with either the memory or the mobo. However since I've tried 2 types and capacity of dual chanel memory on the board and got the same problem with both.....I am begining to suspec the board more than the memory. But hey, maybe I 've just not got the right settings yet. Cheers El Wabbo

Hi Reinvented, Thanks for your help, much appreciated. Sorry I wasn’t clear in my earlier post but I have not been mixing the yellow and orange slots, but have been using them in matched pairs as per your advice. I have read the Definitive AMD Overclocking Guide and some others, several times and I 'thought I understood it', but thought I had better check (sometimes I pick stuff up wrong). I'll have a look at the AMD stock setting Database for some clues, but will this help me since I already have a stable stock set-up if I need it? Guess I'll find out once I look, cos I don’t think I've been there. I should point out my sole objective with this rig is to overclock to the max, hence why I have chosen so many 'enthusiast's' components, not least the DFI mobo itself. I should also point out I have been using this rig daily for over 2 months now with various different set-ups. In general it’s up 24-7 and capable of running Super-Pi for 24+hrs in any of the set-ups I consider... eh...successful. OOps you spotted a mistake in my signature, which I will correct. My PSU is a Seasonic S12 430 which has 14A+15A on the +12V lines, and is a 24 pin jobby. I deliberately picked the 430 over a higher output rated PSU in order to keep the PSU operating in a more efficient manner (i.e. the higher the current draw the greater the efficiency....but this assumes that it is capable of supplying enough current to begin with). But I have been wondering if this PSU is up to the job too. Maybe it doesn’t have enough oompff after all. I haven’t tried unplugging stuff yet, so I'll give it a go and see what happens. I read the initial build guide before I started. I just checked it again and have done everything as per the instructions. I have made all 4 additional power connectors on the mobo. However I seem to remember you don’t actually need to make the small, furthest left connector unless you are using dual graphics cards. Should I remove this connector since I am using only one graphics card? I am pretty well versed with the bios now, but still don’t really understand the advanced memory settings, where there are 1000's of combinations available. I mean I know what most of them do, but this still doesn’t help me pick the right value or combinations, and I am still hoping that these settings are the reason why I can’t get to where I want to be with the set-up. Cheers El Wabbo

Hi All, I hope someone can help me cos I am really struggling. See my signature for the specs on my new rig. I am not an expert overclocker, although I have had a few successes over the last 5 years or so (PIII600 @ 900 & XP2500@3400). I have had various problems (challenges) with this setup, all of which stemmed from memory timings. I have resolved them all to date and have a stable and reasonably fast rig. However I cannot get the rig to run at its full potential as a result of the problem listed below, which I cannot solve. I apologise if this has topic has been covered anywhere else in the forum, but if it has I haven’t found it yet. I fitted 2 x 1 GB OCZ Platinum Rev1 ram (OCZ2002048ELDCPE-K) RATED AT 2-3-2-5. I have found very little information in the forum, or any other, on these sticks but there seems to be plenty on the Rev2 sticks....and it looks like the Rev2's are much better than the rev 1's.....worse luck for me. After some initial problems I managed to get the memory working to spec, either in the yellow or orange slots in dual channel mode at stock processor speed. I can also get either stick working singly to spec, in the 1st orange slot and overclock my processor to 283 x 9 using divider 133/200. However, regardless of what I do I cannot get this stuff to boot AT ALL when both sticks are fitted, when I overclock the processor over 220. My processor is good for 283 x 9 (2553) which I can even get using a cheap single 512meg Vdata ddr400 ram (single channel only) using divider 133/200 + very loose memory settings (similar to http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5844). I’ve tried out so many set ups I am dizzy. I guess I am missing something pretty major. I have searched this forum and also the OCZ forum and tried everything I found that I thought of relevance. Regardless, I cannot get the OCZ memory to run to spec in Dual channel mode while using the appropriate divider to achieve the CPU’s optimal overclock. I have tried very loose memory settings, the optimised default settings and the ones shown below which I got from the OCZ forum. The best I could manage was an OC to 220x9 (a 10% OC...booh) with divider set at 133/200. Thinking that the problem was related to the OCZ memory…I purchased a couple of sticks of Mushkin XP4400 512meg (in hindsight I wish I had bought a matched pair, but I had read that it doesn’t normally make any difference whether they are a matched pair or not….however I suspect at this level of performance it may well matter if they are matched or not). These sticks work fine in the orange or yellow slots, but yet again I cannot get them to run at anywhere near their rated speed. However they are a little better, reaching 166/200. Here is a listing of the memory settings I used for the OCZ memory…and from memory (LOL) my settings are pretty much the same for the Mushkin sticks. ---------------------------------------------0-0-0---------------------------------------------------- Timings from http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11780 In Genie Bios 200 (substitute 282 as what I want to achieve) auto 16 16 auto 100 disable 1.450v 1.300v (adjust this and the one below for your CPU type) above VID 113% 1.20v 1.50v 2.7V DRAM Config 200 (Substitute 133/200 or 140/200 as what I want to use) enable 2 3 5 2 13 16 2 2 1 2 0780 auto enabled auto 0 Level 6 or Level 8 Level 2 9 ns 7 ns 256 disable 16 07 disable In addition to this I have: - disabled both the Errata settings - disabled firewire an IRDA since I am not currently using either - reduced the ‘Maximum PCI-E Payload size’ to 256Meg - increased the ‘Delay for HDD (Secs)’ to 2ms ------------------------------------------------0-0-0----------------------------------------------- I would prefer if I can get the OCZ memory working cos’ the 2 gig memory would be more useful to me (preferably in dual channel mode). However, I will use the Mushkin memory if I can’t get the OCZ stuff to work. So the following questions are initially aimed at getting the OCZ working but any advice on the Mushkin would also be appreciated. So…here are my questions. 1. Am I misinterpreting how to overclock Skt 939 chips? (My understanding from reading various guides is…find the maximum overclock of the processor using slack memory timings, Find the maximum memory speed using Slack processor settings and then use the ‘Dram Frequency Set’ dividers to achieve the maximum processor speed without over-overclocking the memory whilst also using the LDT/FSB divider to be between 800-1000 and adjust voltages accordingly to help with stability???). Is this correct? 2. Are there any obvious mistakes in my memory settings that are likely to result in this problem, and can anyone make any recommendations? 3. Does it really matter which slots the sticks are fitted into? 4. Is the ‘Memory Interleaving’ setting responsible for ‘Dual channel’ operation? 5. If I am to use both memory sticks in ‘Single Channel’ mode, which slots would I physically place the sticks in, and what memory setting would I have to change in the bios? 6. If I am able to use both memory sticks but in single channel mode, would the resulting performance hit be noticeable/prohibitive? 7. What exactly are the ‘Errata’ bios entries for? (I read these were both to do with X2 core enhancements…is this true?). Sorry if this has been a bit long winded. Regards El Wabbo :confused: