marcuri Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 the 5v issue that was recently announced (and even before it was offical) has been giving me some second thoughts about buing a DFI mobo. i don't want my memory to be fried. i've even heard from some people tha thier DFI fried the memory even without the 5v switch on. i have a few questions.. and if anyone could answer them it'd be appreciated: 1. if someone has some info on how prevelent the issue is i'd love an honest answer. the fact the dfi even admitted the problem is making me in some ways want to buy it more cause of how responsible of them that is... but i'd still like to know. even a rough estimate will fine. 2. i'm also curious if anyone know how likely it is that there wil be a fix for it because to me it seems like its not a bios coding error but a design flaw... which is what bothers me the most. 3. also i would like to know that if i did end up buying a dfi mobo and it fried my memory would dfi also replace my memory? would i deal with the memory manufactor directly? would trying the 5v (which i probably won't do unless theres a bios fix for it) on the memory void my warrentee on the memory? this has been driving me nuts.. at first it was dfi vs msi but msi obviously had too many problems for me to consider seriously... even though 95% of them seem to be bios related and will be fixed later on most likely. dfi's 5v issue turned me off. then it looked like i was going to go with epox's board... but now i'm not entirely sure. the DFI seems to be a great board, especially in terms of how future proof it is. but i'd rather have these questions addressed first before slapping down $200 for the sli version of this board. anyway thanks for responding to those that do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidhammock200 Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 DFI recommended & now requires native 24-pin ATX, these idiots didn't listen & fried their RAM & sometimes the mobo, too. DFI allows for higher Vdimm, higher Vdimm requires active cooling, these idiots didn't provide that required cooling so they fried their RAM. It is now a non-issue, however this is even safer: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12085 Dave EDIT: OCZ warranties their RAM to a speific voltage, if it fails within that voltage OCZ replaces it. Most quality RAM comes with a lifetime warranty, but if you raise the Vdimm beyond the rating or fail to provide active cooling, then it is your fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGone Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Actually due to human nature being what it is; you have any problem what so ever and the board will have all the blame. I would suggest you look elsewhere as really you likely are too far tilted to enjoy the setup if it has the least problem for you. Now you wanted honest you got it. I don't like any memory that requires you appear to run way out of specification anyway. Heck I am only running 265x10 right now with 2 differing pairs of TccD in all 4 slots and that probably would not be fast enough for you. RGone... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcuri Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 so wait what your claiming is that there isn't a 5v problem its mainly people who used 20 to 24 pin converters or psu's less than 480watts? cause i thought dfi made an offical statement confirming the existance of a problem with the dfi and the 5 volt switch and everyone with a dfi mobo should run the jumper on the 1-2 pin and not go over whatever the default is (3.3?). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malinois1 Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 1. You cound take Dave suggestion and mod the 3.3V rail and there is no problem. 2. Take Rgones advice and run some TCCD stuff and you dont need hi volts then and their is no problem. IMHO I think Rgones advice is much better. BH-5 and other hi volt stuff is fine if you are just benching for short periods of time but, I don't want to run it in a rig 24 x 7. If you want a 24 x 7 rig get the tccd and in the long run you will be much happier and have a system that is more stable and dependable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymn Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 ill lay out a personal line of mine. if you want to make your computer and have some fun and learn a bit too, you want to get a DFI board. if you want to make your computer, assemble it, learn not too much, just plug n' play, then DFI is not really that kind. DFI staff, i am not turning anyone away from you, nor is that a negitave comment i just said. i said that because i learned a LOT while making my DFI board recently, instead of my old computer i smacked together in minutes and it was up and running and didnt learn a penny. There is my line, Tom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
red930 Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Hymn, Ya better watch out,the DFI-Street staff might, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpuz Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 ill lay out a personal line of mine. if you want to make your computer and have some fun and learn a bit too, you want to get a DFI board. if you want to make your computer, assemble it, learn not too much, just plug n' play, then DFI is not really that kind. DFI staff, i am not turning anyone away from you, nor is that a negitave comment i just said. i said that because i learned a LOT while making my DFI board recently, instead of my old computer i smacked together in minutes and it was up and running and didnt learn a penny. There is my line, Tom I don't think your comment was negative in the least. It was truthful. Those that can't handle the truth, well don't ask the question. lol And as for playah's comment, well all i can say is.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGone Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Playah that EMOticon is a hoot man. Spank my booty. Hehehehehe. Hymn man that was not the BS type of flame we do not often put up with. I think it is pretty straight shooting actually. By the time a user gets here with questions and looks around he is primed to run the other way anyhow. But a user to 'explain' what 92% of the problems stem from actually could turn the user back to DFI. I know PR folks don't have a clue to that but I do. I am first a tweaker and speed freak beat it till it breaks and want more until I settle down on each board. 92% of all problems until 64 Bit Operating System came and Nvidia has been dragging on drivers has been getting memory the board hates or two little clean power and in a hurry complicated by unrealistic expectations. So if prospective buyers would come and ask and get a decent power supply recommend and some memory recommend that the board likes and does not have "extra" pitfalls attached to it> then I see them having no problem except a defect part and that happens in all types of manufactured goods. The problem comes when the DYIer thinks he can throw any ole piece of stuff at the DFI board and have 'joy' > well that is an accident looking for a place to happen and utterly foolish in the first place. System intergrators for the OEM's spend a great amount of time setting up compatible pieces so that the units sold just work and work pretty well. That is totally disregarded by most DIYers. To their dismay I might add, along with a lot of frustration. So no offense given you saying as you did Tom and no offense taken man. RGone... I am going to add this PS: here as it is very descriptive of what I just wrote. It comes from the FRONT PAGE of DFI FAQ. Home > Support -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This section intends to provide a high quality support for all DFI customers. You should be able to find the solutions to some of your problems from this site. However, please first check with your local resellers/system integrators if you have any problems and enquiries, because the one who integrated your system should have all the necessary configurations and is in the best position to assist you. Any problems/questions that cannot be handled by your local resellers will be forwarded to us and we will provide them with answers as soon as possible. Highlights added my emphasis. See that phrase "the one who intergrated your system should have all the necessary configurations. Who is the intergrator? Yep the user and he seldom has spent good time doing good research only reading glossy reviews that show none of the background behind how a review comes off or done. 92% of the problems fall on the DIY by virtue of not knowing what it is he proposes to purchase. RGone...Again... Hymn, Ya better watch out,the DFI-Street staff might, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry_Games Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 i myself turn users away from DFI boards if I think that they are not up to the complexities and attitudes that the DFI boards can sometimes give out. my favorite saying, and also one of Rgone's favorite sayings is this: I would rather see you happy in an MSI/Abit/Giga/Asus board than have you unhappy in a DFI board. period. end of story. there's a lot of truth in that I would rather not have to support someone that fights his rig for 3 months and is never happy than have him decide to get an Asus and only be unhappy that it wouldnt overclock as well as he heard the DFI would. this life is a lot of give and take. you got to give up a lot to take a lot, and vice-versa. some people THINK they are ready for a DFI board...when in reality they are not. They try to bring old psu/memory/whatever from another system that worked (and the truth is, it dont matter if your stuff was made by God himself and works on 20 different boards...teh DFI board is NOT an asus/msi/giga/abit board and just because it does work on another board does NOT MEAN IT WILL WORK ON THE DFI BOARD...a lot of times it will, but you have to do a lot of fooling with...and then a lot of times it just wont. read read read read some more read as much as you can then read some more google and search here, and other forums. know for sure you are really ready to take the plunge to buy a DFI NF4 Lanparty. then read some more before you hit the 'purchase' button at newegg or wherever. I'd rather DFI lost a sale than had to spend more than the board cost in support for that customer to try and get it working only to have him get disgusted and rma it for a different board when he should have really bought a different board in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpuz Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 my favorite saying, and also one of Rgone's favorite sayings is this: I would rather see you happy in an MSI/Abit/Giga/Asus board than have you unhappy in a DFI board. period. end of story. Now, I ask you people, is that not respectable!! That kind of truthfulness and honesty says a lot to me. Now, if i could only find a car salesman that thought like that. heh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRaven Posted July 16, 2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Now, I ask you people, is that not respectable!! That kind of truthfulness and honesty says a lot to me. Now, if i could only find a car salesman that thought like that. heh. Amen :nod: I think that attitude is, among other things, what helps convince people to buy DFI rather than run away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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