Guest Antonik Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 I ordered ValueRam and now I'm having regrets, i'd refuse the package so i could order this, but my motherboard and CPU are in the shipment too blast! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundx98 Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 it can oc pretty high into the 2900Mhz on air . when i run the memories in a divider, everything is fine. Just 1:1 ratio is not good. You may be losing some bandwidth due to divider and the looser timings but good lord man that's really impressive. If the RAM will not take more voltage and additional cooling (fans) doesn't help you just may have reached it's limit. Play some games and run some benchmarks, but don't touch anything Really nice performance and my apologies if I dragged the thread off topic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyOCZ Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 i just bought a pair of ocz pc3200 rev. 2 plat. for 190$ . anyhow, i would like to know what bios is best for them on a dfi sli-dr with a venice 3200. so far i tried 510-1fix, 510-2fix, and 510-3fix. no matter what i can't run 280, 285, or 290 htt at 1:1 mem timing . i set very loose mem timings. these sticks don't like high dram voltage. anything above 2.8 or 2.9 crashed the system instantly. i wonder what chips are on these sticks. Hi, the chips are TCC5 and the do not need high voltage to work great. Consider that a bonus. Now as far as settings, nothing on the DFI NF4 can be just set and forgotten about or run on auto. For a BIOS, the FIX BIOS are fixing what? That was for a cold boot and not for your memory. The BIOS adds additional voltage at start up that you won't need. Use 510-2 or one of the newer -2 BIOS as these are the best available IMHO. Use the yellow slots with the -2 BIOS. Understand that the PC3200 Plat Rev 2 more than likely will not run those speeds anyway. It PC3200 after all and is tested for 2-2-2 operation and not high HTT. Also, the Venice/San Diego CPU's pretty much suck at 1:1 at high speeds with a multi above 8. Use these timings: DFI NF4 (all), Venice, San Diego or Winchester 90nm and OCZ TCCD/TCC5 memory, 200mhz memory clock 1:1 with HTT speed. Use the orange slots and 310 Official BIOS or any -3 Beta BIOS variant for best results with Samsung TCCD/TCC5. We have also found the 310-2 and 510-2 Beta BIOS to work well while running the memory in the yellow slots. In DRAM Configuration Section of Genie BIOS: 200 enable 2.0 02 07 or 8 02 07 or 8 16 or 14 03 or 02 03 02 or 01 03 or 02 3120, 4708, 0648, or 2560 (4708 works well at high overclocks) auto enabled auto 0 level 6, 5 or 7 level 2 7.0 auto 256 disable 16 07 disable In Genie Bios: 200 auto 16 16 auto 100 disable 1.500 1.25v (This is about 1.52v, if you need more or less, please adjust, but do not go past 1.45v here, use more the 123% below, there is a reason ) above VID * 123% 1.30v 1.70v 2.8v (2.7v-3.0v may work for you, depending on final speed) Loosening the memory timings to 2.5-3-3-8 or 2.5-4-3-8 will get you a good overclock, as will 2.5-4-4-7. For clarification, 2.5-3-3-8 will show up as 2.5-3-8-3 in the BIOS. For overclocking only: This is only a rough guide, as once again the CPU has much to do with your memory speeds, since the memory controller is on the CPU. Just like some CPU's overclock better than others, some CPU's overclock the memory controller better. One does not neccesarily fall in line with the other. You may overclock to a very high HTT speed and get 2800mhz stable, yet only be able to hit 265mhz on your memory buss 1:1. Let me know how things go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyOCZ Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 Thanks for the info. Where is the 618-2 bios?? I will try this tomorrow. Hi, changing RAM means a whole new setup. The DFI also has some problems retaining old SPD data when switching memory. Doing a long BIOS clear with the battery out and the PSU unplugged is needed. Using a -2 BIOS and the yellow slots only is the best. Please try these timings/settings: 200 enable 2.0 02 06 02 07 16 or 14 03 or 02 03 02 or 01 03 or 02 0648, 2560 or 3120 (0648 has worked on many systems) auto enabled auto 0 level 8 level 2 7.0 auto 256 disable 16 07 disable In Genie Bios 200 (start at 200mhz and work up) auto 16 16 7 (for testing, then adjust for max overclock) 100 disable 1.500v 1.300v (This is about 1.57v, if you need more do not go past 1.45v here, use more the 123% below, there is a reason ) above VID * 123% 1.30v 1.70v 2.8-2.9v (3.3v-3.4v will be needed for overclocking; over 3.0v voids your warranty of course . You may need more voltage then this to overclock higher.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
suio Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 Andy, If I understand correctly, all bioses after 510 adds additional voltage during the startup. One report says the latest 704 bios may have damaged a TCCD based memory chip. My PQI memory (first pair, not BH5 or TCCD) might have also been damaged by the board (or bios). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyOCZ Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 Andy, If I understand correctly, all bioses after 510 adds additional voltage during the startup. One report says the latest 704 bios may have damaged a TCCD based memory chip. My PQI memory (first pair, not BH5 or TCCD) might have also been damaged by the board (or bios). Thanks for the tip. I have not used later then 510. I will change and test with a voltmeter at the board. Up to 3.2v will not hurt TCC5/TCCD memory, so i'm sure it's noat a huge deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundx98 Posted July 8, 2005 Posted July 8, 2005 Andy, If I understand correctly, all bioses after 510 adds additional voltage during the startup. One report says the latest 704 bios may have damaged a TCCD based memory chip. My PQI memory (first pair, not BH5 or TCCD) might have also been damaged by the board (or bios). I thought they were adding voltage to insure proper boot. Do you have a link to this thread on mem killing? It so often seems there were other forces involved in the RAM's untimely death. But so far this OCZ stuff is GOLD Gonna try and get er stable at 255x11 now. Unbelieveable for the price. So kewl of Angry to point it out to all of us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
suio Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Sound, here are the links http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=845 http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=860 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpo...0&postcount=102 I am sure my PQI PC3200 memory was killed by the board three weeks ago (stock frequency, <3.0V). Later, I bought the OCZ Gold BH5 based on AG's recommendation. Unforunately the BH5 didn't work well with the board's voltage (the memory might have been damaged also when JP17 was in 2-3 position). At the end, I bought OCZ Plat Rev2 PC3200 and now I am happy. I am getting 280Mhz 1:1 with 2.8V VDRAM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundx98 Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 OCZ Plat Rev2 PC3200 and now I am happy. I am getting 280Mhz 1:1 with 2.8V VDRAM You should be! Crazy Australians from the i4memory cult. Not sure what happened and my deepest sympathies to the 3 affected but it certainly looks like different things happened and damaged different components ie, CPU/RAM, BSOD/noBSOD/dead/lights/out. It seems like you are saying the DFI kills RAM (well Groovetech was CPU) and you are convinced it was the bios did it. And then you put new RAM and CPU in? But the OCZ you replace it with does 280? and the 3200 Venice flies? So you have changed back to a different bios than 704-2 (same bios I use), which? And I'm still confused about "adding voltage" to the bios so I've missed something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmj Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Flashed to 510 bios and followed OCZ advise - FAB no BSOD and running great - this is GOLD on my NF4 Ultra Now to work on this silly NF3 Ultra board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dng29 Posted July 9, 2005 Posted July 9, 2005 Hi, the chips are TCC5 and the do not need high voltage to work great. Consider that a bonus. Now as far as settings, nothing on the DFI NF4 can be just set and forgotten about or run on auto. For a BIOS, the FIX BIOS are fixing what? That was for a cold boot and not for your memory. The BIOS adds additional voltage at start up that you won't need. Use 510-2 or one of the newer -2 BIOS as these are the best available IMHO. Use the yellow slots with the -2 BIOS. Understand that the PC3200 Plat Rev 2 more than likely will not run those speeds anyway. It PC3200 after all and is tested for 2-2-2 operation and not high HTT. Also, the Venice/San Diego CPU's pretty much suck at 1:1 at high speeds with a multi above 8. Use these timings: DFI NF4 (all), Venice, San Diego or Winchester 90nm and OCZ TCCD/TCC5 memory, 200mhz memory clock 1:1 with HTT speed. Use the orange slots and 310 Official BIOS or any -3 Beta BIOS variant for best results with Samsung TCCD/TCC5. We have also found the 310-2 and 510-2 Beta BIOS to work well while running the memory in the yellow slots. In DRAM Configuration Section of Genie BIOS: 200 enable 2.0 02 07 or 8 02 07 or 8 16 or 14 03 or 02 03 02 or 01 03 or 02 3120, 4708, 0648, or 2560 (4708 works well at high overclocks) auto enabled auto 0 level 6, 5 or 7 level 2 7.0 auto 256 disable 16 07 disable In Genie Bios: 200 auto 16 16 auto 100 disable 1.500 1.25v (This is about 1.52v, if you need more or less, please adjust, but do not go past 1.45v here, use more the 123% below, there is a reason ) above VID * 123% 1.30v 1.70v 2.8v (2.7v-3.0v may work for you, depending on final speed) Loosening the memory timings to 2.5-3-3-8 or 2.5-4-3-8 will get you a good overclock, as will 2.5-4-4-7. For clarification, 2.5-3-3-8 will show up as 2.5-3-8-3 in the BIOS. For overclocking only: This is only a rough guide, as once again the CPU has much to do with your memory speeds, since the memory controller is on the CPU. Just like some CPU's overclock better than others, some CPU's overclock the memory controller better. One does not neccesarily fall in line with the other. You may overclock to a very high HTT speed and get 2800mhz stable, yet only be able to hit 265mhz on your memory buss 1:1. Let me know how things go. thanks for the info Andy, but my curiosity got the best of me. "I'm just curious as a cat, that's why my friends call me whisker"(Will Ferrell as Harry Caray) . anyway is TCC5 as you said. i tried 510-2 bios and used the yellow slots. with tight timings and running 275htt at 1:1 sync ratio, i got great latency from everest 37.4ns . anything above 275htt 1:1 ratio is no go. oh well, i'm glad i still have my g.skill which surprising is doing 285htt at 1:1 ratio now with this 510-2 bios. i guess this bios does wonders for my memories. need to play around with timings more to get it even more stable. thanks again for the info on the memories . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oats Posted July 11, 2005 Posted July 11, 2005 I tested out my OCZ Gold today and was able to get 245 2-2-2-5 1T at 3.2 volts. After burn in I think I will reach my goal of 250mhz without having to use the 4v jumper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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