Greetings all and welcome to DFI-world

[h_Us3r]

Greetings to you all,

 

I have exactly 35 minutes to write this so I will be brief.

First thing is "HI" to all you here, for a wonderful, albeit, strange turn of fate has brought us together(now let us pray )I definitely want to send a strong shoutout to all the reps that are here from my perception anyway, tirelessly and thanklessly trying to help peeps get the most out of their rigs(DFI, OCZ, etc. thanx alot guys :cool: chances are nobody would be up or anything without you) :angel:

DFI is a wonderful enthusiast brand and I have nothing but alot of love in a short period of time for yall. That being said, there is a rather small snake in my garden of DFI'ness...and that is the dual channel issue

First of all I run Kingston value ram at CAS3 on a puter that can MORE than handle this ram on dual channel. I HAVE(for a 3hour period)gotten this ram to work on dual channel with RGone's expert tutorial(If ur ever in NYC, you got some free drinks comin to you although, this was for 3 hours.

I have read a few threads like "to all you sad wutevers"(I'm not sad)and "I have the ram thats on the compatibility list", "Random re-boot", "BSOD SLI-Dr", etc, etc. and quite truthfully with exception to some users that encounter strange turn of events most of you/these guys make a valid point in regards to the memory situation. Personally, the f*kka's up, is stayin up, and I am not runnin dual channel, and that is fine for now because where I am and where I was comin from are seriously moons and stars away from each other(I'M HAPPY).

Though I also feel that this issue in particular sorta needs to be addressed. And not addressed in the way like,"Well this RAM sucks" or "YMMV" or "e-mail this rep" or (my favorite) "RAM functionality changes everyday, one day something might work, the next it may not". While there is validity in all of those statements, that truly isn't the end-users problem from a retail standpoint. If it was then manufacturers of said MOBO or PROCESSOR maker would be selling 1 particular brand of peripheral/accessory/device right out of the box. For example, every DFI would come pre-packaged with OCZ platinum rev2 w OCZ powerstream 520w PSU and we can't forget OCZ(INSERT_ITEM_HERE). Not to poke fun, but this is the point of my thread topic(FUN)All the same, telling users to purchase different this or more

of that AFTER they have shelled out $1000+ to run "almost" best of breed home user equipment is effectively annoying and can be percieved as somewhat underhanded, especially if they researched the best compatibility to cost margin(for weeks, even months)effectively in a sense committing retail suicide(ask me how I know...)Yet, inspite of this the keyword remains "FUN" and why? Because "I think" a majority of us want to be able to(or to) tweak the f**k outta our toasters(I like that term)and to marvel at the results of our latest brainstorms(for better or worse)and not to mention because that "is" fun. Quite truthfully, this was

and is a pretty big upgrade for most of us due to the beast known as PCI-e, so no one here "just" bought a mobo, we also bought video cards(good ones;D) and PSU's. That being said, on a more essenial level, when it works we are getting more than we ever had before, and you know what...it's fun. So what, your RAM won't OC past 1:1, or you only get 90+FPS in D3, or your you "only" have 512mbs more of ram and it won't(INSERT_TASK_HERE)so what? That's like 80+more FPS in D3 and 512mb's more than you had to begin with. So lets be thankful for what we can make our toasters do and enjoy how much more it "can" do than that Aptiva m100 u were trying to get 10FPS on MS word with.

 

Peace n***uZ,

You haven't heard the last of me and PS lets try to help "each other" out and not just leave it all to the DFI guys cuz we have a much more robust testing platform, and that's the fact we turn these things on everynight to have(guess what)FUN

 

h

[red930]

h_Us3r,

 

That's was a pretty good post until you got to the point where you want to absolve the end user of any responsibility.

 

"telling users to purchase different this or more

of that AFTER they have shelled out $1000+ to run "almost" best of breed home user equipment is effectively annoying and can be percieved as somewhat underhanded, especially if they researched the best compatibility to cost margin(for weeks, even months)effectively in a sense committing retail suicide(ask me how I know...)"

 

DFI can't control the quality of any product they don't make. It's up to the user to choose wisely.

 

Your statement about "especially if they researched the best compatibility to cost margin(for weeks, even months)" is what gets many users in trouble. They cut corners trying to save a buck and get nothing but trouble for their effort.

 

The OCZ thing is pretty funny when you think about it. DFI makes a great motherboard and it sure seems like the OCZ stuff works where other hardware doesn't. It's become a "majority rules" situation. Just take a look at what works and duplicate it. There's no sense in "re-inventing the wheel".

 

I'm using a Blue Storm PSU, PQI RAM and an eVGA video card with no problems. If you take a look at users that are running stable systems, you see a lot of OCZ hardware. It just plain works.

 

This DFI hardware is great stuff. It's made to do things that no other motherboard can do. Early adopters always pay a price for getting the newest hardware. The power supply recommendation is just one case.

[Angry_Games]

gotta agree with Ex's statements.

 

we have seen that companies like Corsair, GEIL, Mushkin etc can crank out, for example, a part #555444 that is TCCD and within one week, the entire line changes to UTT or BH-5 and yet it keeps the #555444

 

this is just the reality of it. We've seen it with more than a few companies. DFI has no control over what memory is made. DFI's verified list is memory that was in the lab and was tested. Whether the same memory is what you get when you buy it from newegg is not under our control

 

 

 

Generic memory, off-brand memory, VALUE memory...we have no control over this. I stick to my guns about the 'would you put poor, cheap, low-octane gas in your Porsche?'

 

think about it carefully. You spend LOTS of money on the best motherboard, cpu, vid card you can get or afford, then you buy something that says VALUE? that is not DFI's fault. Especially if you did the weeks/months of research as you stated in your post. If you DID do the research, you'd know that the results of generic, off-brand, or VALUE memory is a crap-shoot at best, with most users never getting any satisfaction and then shelling out MORE money for memory that is what is in the majority...and they are then satisfied (and off to the races generally).

 

no way that DFI can control this either. We make the highest quality overclocking motherboards. They are not generic motherboards made for email and surfing the web. That is really the honest truth. I am the first one to tell you that if you want a board like that, you should really buy a Gigabyte, MSI, or some other 939 board that is really a 'vanilla' board.

 

It will be fast at stock speeds. It has most of the onboard options ours do. But none of them clock like ours, and none of them tweak like ours. Ours do because they are made for it. Period.

 

 

 

 

i have never stated that 'this ram sucks'

 

in some cases like Kingston TCCD HyperX, Corsair, KVR, off-brand, etc., I always state that majority of users cannot get it to work and should be avoided. I have some value stuff that is flawless on my vanilla 875 Intel board, as well as my NF2 boards...but it wont work at all on the nF4, and isn't worth the hours of tweaking to get it working on the NF3.

 

 

 

YMMV = this is the most truthful statement anyone can make. This explains how someone with a 380w 20-pin psu can overclock an NF4 and not have a problem, while the majority cannot even boot with this psu.

 

this explains why a few say Corsair VALUE works and even overclocks but the majority can't get it working well.

 

this explains why i can overclock to 250x11 with a 3500+ and someone else can crush my score, or cannot even get 210x11 out of the same 3500+.

 

companies only guarantee stock speeds. That is it. They might build the product to exceed this by a longshot, but there is no guarantee it will perform over stock, and never will be a guarantee like that from any company that isn't under the control of a stark-raving mad lunatic.

 

 

 

 

some companies find stuff that works well together. Hence OCZ making their DFI Lanparty specific memory. Guaranteed to do this or that on a DFI LanParty board.

 

you gonna pay more for it though...it has been tested and verified and that costs a bit of money...but it is worth it in the long run because if OCZ made that guarantee and they didn't bother to actually test each of the modules, they would lose money on the RMA process instead of spending a little money to verify the modules did as advertised and guaranteed (raising the price only a little compared to making up for RMA's and THEN getting around to testing it to make sure it does as it is guaranteed)

[h_Us3r]

h_Us3r,

 

That's was a pretty good post until you got to the point where you want to absolve the end user of any responsibility.

 

"telling users to purchase different this or more

of that AFTER they have shelled out $1000+ to run "almost" best of breed home user equipment is effectively annoying and can be percieved as somewhat underhanded, especially if they researched the best compatibility to cost margin(for weeks, even months)effectively in a sense committing retail suicide(ask me how I know...)"

 

DFI can control the quality of any product they don't make. It's up to the user to choose wisely.

 

Your statement about "especially if they researched the best compatibility to cost margin(for weeks, even months)" is what gets many users in trouble. They cut corners trying to save a buck and get nothing but trouble for their effort.

 

The OCZ thing is pretty funny when you think about it. DFI makes a great motherboard and it sure seems like the OCZ stuff works where other hardware doesn't. It's become a "majority rules" situation. Just take a look at what works and duplicate it. There's no sense in "re-inventing the wheel".

 

I'm using a Blue Storm PSU, PQI RAM and an eVGA video card with no problems. If you take a look at users that are running stable systems, you see a lot of OCZ hardware. It just plain works.

 

This DFI hardware is great stuff. It's made to do things that no other motherboard can do. Early adopters always pay a price for getting the newest hardware. The power supply recommendation is just one case.

 

 

U guys are awesome, no question and thanx so much to even replying with ur itineraries.

 

ex-Roadie:

It's impossible to absolve the end-user of any and all liability, but I c u through around a lot of RMA "offerings" and I just think about what a process it is to RMA with ASUS, MSI, IBM...I wholly commend you for that though because of your initiative(yes)with the end-users to go the extra-mile with making sure they are happy with the product(I'm using right now and luvin it)so I am sorry if I slightly overstated the "effectively annoying" thing as well as other statements that might be drawn into ire. You understand that "maybe"(damn dog, keeps wantin love )

,if any, that 1%-2% of the users in this forum have a clear understanding of what it takes to get the most outta this mobo. I'm sorry to give/leave the impression that the end-user is totally unliable,

 

Angry:

(This is my lucky day, 2 big dogs in 1 thread, 1st(and only)posts even)

I didn't say *you* said "this RAM sucks", in fact, I don't think anyone said this(except me for connotation)My reference is to the fact that I have seen a number(a big number ratio-wise)of referral(s) to purchase OCZ(it really is funny on another level)when said "compatible" RAM does not work. I can't f**k "wit da product :angel:" and I'm getting some REAL soon myself(no, I'm not a hypocrite)

and whut you have described in regards to the RAM industry is no different than IT

industry(to anyone that can relate, H0ll@!!!)approach towards anything. But wouldn't it piss you off if you copped that porsche and after $100,000 later someone told you that you need the "X" brand 02 sensor to get the "maximum" amount of mileage per gallon? YES, and you know what? It's fine goddamit cuz your rockin that porsche o well, ur still doing 0-60 in 6secs@40MPG, but wouldn't piss you off to know that you could go 0-60 in 6secs@80MPG?

All the same, I only want to help the users and myself in the process of suffering from "Value-itis". No crazy timings or voltages, just a respectable dual channel boot. After that...I believe this house is clean. Just to get . strait I ain't crapkin wit

y'all or anybody that posts information that is useful or even just enterntaining :nod: In fact, there are a few users on this board that I *think* might benefit from some of my experience(s) and I will gladly share all. And why? Cuz DFI "Got da m***af***in product"

 

PS

Thanx guys, seriously, at some point I am definitely gonna call for help, but right now I want *to* help and have FUN(keyword)

 

ez,

h

[Angry_Games]

heh, i wouldnt expect a porsche to give me double the MPG with a sensor (and i wouldnt buy it)

 

i would expect a porsche to haul butt and if it cost me extra to buy a turbo booster or better gas, then...well, I bought a $100,000 porsche right? I want the most out of it.

 

if its a choice between $2.00/gal Chevron 93 octane gas, and $2.59/gal Porsche-recommended SupaGas (heh) @ 96 octane...and the SupaGas makes my Porsche not only run around town (obeying speed limits) real real smooth and quick, but when I take out on the Interstate and smash the gas pedal down to hit 165Mph and hit it quickly and let it run long and smooth...then I am gonna pay the extra for the SupaGas (especially when so many other drivers have touted the joy of SupaGas over regular old Chevron gas)

 

 

 

just cuz gasoline comes out of a pump at a gas station doesn't mean it is what is right for your car to run real good. I mean, my crappy old 93 Merc station wagon can run on 87 octane gas...but I spend the extra to put 91/93 octane gas in it because it burns cleaner and seems to make my car run smoother (not that 87 octane makes my Merc fart out black smoke...but it don't run as good)