RGone Posted December 29, 2004 Posted December 29, 2004 GlennC, emailed you a little ago and said I was monitoring this thread and am. Shame the serial numbers are not known but life is life as always. Power supplies, oh power supplies. Actually overall between them and the memory to subsist in the mobo the power supply is the most critical item of merit. Nothing and that is nothing else can proceed forward in computering without them and yet the always seem to fall into the category of after thought by many users. I have had it proved 3 times personally that the power supply is the first item to be handled adequetely. 480Watt, 12volt rail amp spec'd at 22amps would indeed crank my UT250mobo but groaned and resisted and talked back at any load producing application. Even produced on the order of 80% cold boot symptoms. Replaced with a Fortron 530watt supply that has served me well in other applications requiring good 'rails' and off to the races with my UT250gb. Lesson learned by myself again. Rebuilt my Ultra Infinity, NF2 board setup with all the 'best' pieces from 3 NF2 boards to bump 2700mhz again with ease. In process forgot what case I installed into and wound up with an older Enermax 465 in that setup. GawdUHMighty here we go again. Dang 9800Pro card would not want to start and looked like cold booting city all over again but just a differing set of symptoms. Put the 9800 Pro on a lead from power supply by itself and WalLah up and gone again. In my position, it is not nice to have to call certain products a plain old POS. Just not nice. I refrain from so doing and try to educate and urge by example the need to run good stuff on enthusiast motherboards. At times this procedure works and at times is a fruitless, thankless task. Dollars upon dollars are spent for video cards and games and lights and geejaws but little at the foundational level > the power supply. Universally this seems to be the tendency. And just wait until the first of the JSP crowd goes running out the door to purchase SLI and the dang thing will not even crank and maybe the only truthfully useable power supplies all BANG the $200.oo UsD mark! Oh what joy and jubilance will be seen. Obviously this is some more of my rambling but hopefully there will be seen method to my madness. Good luck man and keep us posted. RGone... EDIT: some of you guys remembered my "Homework" thread about preparing for the coming UT250gb and what to prime yourself with informationally? Remember that? Well here goes another one of those types of tips. NF4 seems destined to use 24 pin ATX supplies and cabling. Any of you noticed that? It is not too sad a deal except for increased resistance of added pins in the voltage path> to adapt DOWN a 24 pin ATX to 20 pin ATX but it is becoming apparent that you will see possibly very poor results with adapting a 20 pin ATX to the 24 pin ATX style connector. THERE IS a reason for the 24 pins. Brought to you as a courtesy announcement or cautionary item to be checked out. END EDIT. You are now returned to your regularly scheduled programming. RGone... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flghtmstr1 Posted December 29, 2004 Posted December 29, 2004 would the fortron 530 watt be enough to handle the jump up to 24 pins? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennC Posted December 29, 2004 Posted December 29, 2004 So Rgone, in conclusion, do you surmise it could be the PSU? If so, what is the recommended wattage to run this board with the ATI Radeon 9800XT Sapphire? Nice post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGone Posted December 29, 2004 Posted December 29, 2004 Flghtmstr1, how many pins on Fortron 530watt power supply?? What I write earlier? It is not too sad a deal except for increased resistance of added pins in the voltage path> to adapt DOWN a 24 pin ATX to 20 pin ATX but it is becoming apparent that you will see possibly very poor results with adapting a 20 pin ATX to the 24 pin ATX style connector. THERE IS a reason for the 24 pins. RGone... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGone Posted December 29, 2004 Posted December 29, 2004 So Rgone, in conclusion, do you surmise it could be the PSU? Here we are right back at the unknowns of square one and the serial number thing and oddities of computers. I have exercised all the informational tidbits that I possess. I think it certainly sounds like a power supply problem. Here again I have "no" truly low rated power supplies left in my inventory of power supplies. I have gradually built off systems with all my 450 watt and below stuff and so I now have mostly the 450 and above supplies and I told of my experience with one of the over-rated 480 watt supplies I have at hand. I am moving all my power supplies to Fortron or SP1 supplies at the 530watt level for now and am at this moment trying to determine if the ATX 24pin Fortron has "at least" internally adjustable +12V and +3.3Volt rails for my move to the next platform. I travel many forums and see where X person had ATI troubles and upgraded to a known good power supply and the problems dissappeared. I have had problems myself with iffy power supplies. I open tech support emails and see people trying to crank an enthusiast board with 300/350 and some 380 watt stuff and having problems until they upgrade to known good working power supply that will in fact carry the load and not 'just' say it will carry a load. And then there are just the crazy situations where you are with supposed RMA'd board that with a possible new board shows you in the same circumstances as with previous board. Normally this would say not a board problem. But who really knows? You cannot verify new board arrived. I cannot either. You have what I consider marginal supply so no help to swap it into other system. So there we are still at a stalemate. Nothing going on. RMA the motheboard, power supply and video card until you get working pieces all in one pile at the same time. Not literally but that is exactly how it all feels. I DO lean to a power supply being needed. Period. Will it fix the problem? Hale if can say for sure when you have the stuff there and I sit in the southern USA with a number of good power supplies but not your stuff to substitute into. Again stalemate. My personal move in this particular situation would be to get Fortron 530 watt supply as I know that " I " would need it for pushing the board later. I would have likely pulled another video card out of my pile and substituted it for the 9800 and seen what happened. If the board worked then it would be at least video card related but depending on the draw of the subbed vid card would not entirely rule out a power supply problem. So there you have my reasoning procedures. Flawed maybe? But what it comes to in fixing these dang things sometimes. About all I can add to the mix at this juncture. RGone... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flghtmstr1 Posted December 30, 2004 Posted December 30, 2004 RGone, I didn't mean to sound like a n00b, but I had no knowledge with which to base my questions on. I don't have a clue as to what the extra 4 pins do, or why it would be difficult for an excellent psu to handle the extra resistence of some sort of 20-24 pin adapter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGone Posted December 30, 2004 Posted December 30, 2004 No I do not doubt a good 24 pin power supply can carry the strain of being adapted to the 20 pin by an adapter, but that is not the question you asked. You asked about 20 pin to be adapted to the 24 pin motherboard supply socket and that is entirely different and something I will not be doing. I know such is coming and am getting ready today in my thinking. Just why I posted it in here about power supplies and such. Sort of a primer. It will all come out in the wash as some burn up some stuff and kill some power supplies. RGone... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennC Posted December 30, 2004 Posted December 30, 2004 My customer will purchase a new PSU and we will go from there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGone Posted December 30, 2004 Posted December 30, 2004 GlennC you need to read this so you can see why it is so hard to tell what to do. Too many other boards act stupid and dang it no previous board serial number. User already had good power supplies. Other brands showed similar problems with ATI. In the end RMA UT250gb fixed it... RGone... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennC Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 Unteresting. Does anyone know where the SN is for this board? I dont see anything obvious. I do see a number PNN32501-0 on the otherside of the keyboard controller. Could this be it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest someDude Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 I am having the same problem. I changed from a Ti4600 to a BBA 9800 256mb and that is when the garbled post began. I give it a dedicated power line from a PC Power and Cooling 510. This is on son number one's computer. Tomorrow I will install a BBA 9800 256 onto son number 2 ( )hehe, computer. I installed 2 of the 9800 256 pro card's into son 1's system and both did the same. Reinstalled the Ti4600 and works fine. I will also run driver cleaner, which I did not do, to ensure that all of the nVidea stuff is gone, but that seems like a long shot. Both 9800 cards run fine in my Asus nF2 board system. No overclockin done yet. will be back tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest someDude Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 update After rather extensive driver cleaning upon boot I got the same bad display. I followed Flghtmstr1 advice and did a restart using the case switch. The 9800 pro came alive then:) As long as the red standby power led is on I can reboot or turn off and restart, and still get good video. But if the red standby power led ever goes off, the first boot after will be with trashed video. :confused: RGone: I too am a firm believer in quality PS's. But now don't think it's related to this issue. I could be wrong though:D Here's my sn's from box: D43804515 D43804518 something is keeping this card from initializing on first cold boot :confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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