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Apparently there's a pretty big following for this new Anti-Gmail stuff, but I haven't seen much of it yet. I figured if it were that big, I would've seen it here, but I haven't, even with a search.


For example, my roomie lives on a local VW forum, like I live here. Someone posted a car for sale, and gave his email as *@gmail.com. The first response was something along the lines of "You might get more responses on a non-gmail acct", and then they gave this link. It was almost like people won't even write TO it.


Has anyone seen this? I get the basic point of the movement, but I haven't read the whole page yet. Yes, it's insecure to an extent, and could be held and used by others at some point, but it's a FREE EMAIL! How much security and all that can you really expect?

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I personally love gmail. I heard all about that scanning the emails and they can read them crap but I think about it this way, out of the thousands of people with gmail what are the chances they are going to read my stuff. Its like the same chances of being pushed off the side of a building by an angry anti-gmail protester.


I agree with you, its free and you get a lot of storage. For a free email account how much security can you really expect. Google is a trusted company in my book and I dont see why they would want to wreck their rep by digging through people emails.


Edit* As I think about it, they probably get paid more for putting those text ads on gmail than they would get if they emptied somebodys Pay-Pal account.

Edited by BlitzBomb

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Ya, I've seen some of this before. There's a "movement" against anything google-related, and some of these people are just as fanatical against them as anti-microsoft people are.


google's getting way to big to honestly keep it's "Do No Evil" policy, especially with the amount of info they gather.


I think it's a bit of a conspiracy theory - some things have merit, but others are just over-blown. Everyone else is doing it, they just state it's intentions a little more honestly and in plain english. That doesn't make everything they do right, it's just making them an easier target.

Edited by cybergrunt69

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Yeah, that link was posted here a month or so after GMail came out...


Read this or better yet, have your friend link to it. :P




That link is fubared.... but have been posted before the forum upgrade to 2.x.... post has been reposted to fix the quote problem...

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I wouldn't entrust anything sensitive to Gmail anyway.


Exactly my point! And is that really any different if you're talking about hotmail, yahoo, etc? None of them should be used for super professional or important stuff, IMO.

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Hmm... that article is kinda fubar.... here is the repost of my reply there.... hope this fixes the Quote problem...




I'm a big boy... I made up my own mind. I'll let others make up theirs. ;)





Google does not share or reveal email content or personal information with third parties. Email messages remain strictly between the sender and intended recipients, even when only one of the parties is a Gmail user.


No email content or other personally identifiable information is ever shared with advertisers.


All email services scan your email. They do this routinely to provide such popular features as spam filtering, virus detection, search, spellchecking, forwarding, auto-responding, flagging urgent messages, converting incoming email into cell phone text messages, automatic saving and sorting into folders, converting text URLs to clickable links, and reading messages to the blind. These features are widely accepted, trusted, and used by hundreds of millions of people every day.


Google scans the text of Gmail messages in order to filter spam and detect viruses, just as all major webmail services do. Google also uses this scanning technology to deliver targeted text ads and other related information. This is completely automated and involves no humans.


On the other hand, delivering information gathered through email scanning to a third party would be a violation of privacy. Google does not do this. Neither email content nor any personal information is ever shared with other parties as a result of our ad-targeting process.


Some news stories have suggested that Google intends to keep copies of users' email messages even after they've deleted them, or closed their accounts. This is simply not true. Google keeps multiple backup copies of users' emails so that we can recover messages and restore accounts in case of errors or system failure. Even if a message has been deleted or an account is no longer active, messages may remain on our backup systems for some period of time. This is standard practice in the email industry, which Gmail and other major webmail services follow in order to provide a reliable service for users. We will make reasonable efforts to remove deleted information from our systems as quickly as is practical.


Automatic scanning technology alone does not make it any easier for a government to obtain or access your email messages or other private information.


Additional information can be found here:


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Part 2



Let's see what MSN does...



MSN collects and uses your personal information to operate MSN and deliver the services you have requested. These services may include the display of customized content and advertising based upon the information MSN has collected. In order to provide services in conjunction with other Microsoft products or services, personal information collected by MSN may be accessed and used by other Microsoft services as necessary to provide such services.


Personal information collected on this site may be stored and processed in the United States or any other country in which Microsoft or its affiliates, subsidiaries or agents maintain facilities, and by using this site, you consent to any such transfer of information outside of your country. Microsoft abides by the safe harbor framework as set forth by the U.S. Department of Commerce regarding the collection, use, and retention of data from the European Union.


MSN Web pages may contain electronic images known as Web beacons - sometimes called single-pixel gifs - that allow MSN to count users who have visited those pages and to deliver co-branded services. MSN may include Web beacons in promotional e-mail messages or MSN Newsletters in order to determine whether messages have been opened and acted upon.


And for passport?



.NET Passport occasionally hires other companies to provide limited services on our behalf, such as answering customer support inquiries or performing statistical analyses of our services. .NET Passport will only provide these companies with those pieces of your personal information needed to deliver the services, and the companies and their employees are prohibited from using that personal information for any other purpose.


Funny... MSN said they won't give out your information, however Passport will. Guess what, MSN and Passport are connected.




Microsoft has no obligation to monitor the Communication Services. However, Microsoft reserves the right to review materials posted to a Communication Service and to remove any materials in its sole discretion.





Ok.. now how about Yahoo?




Yahoo! does not rent, sell, or share personal information about you with other people or nonaffiliated companies except to provide products or services you've requested, when we have your permission


Yahoo! displays targeted advertisements based on personal information.




One thing I will say about Yahoo & MSN is they are etrust certified. - Passport is not. If Google/GMail would do this, I think people would feel better.








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