8600k or Ryzen 3600 ??

[jdm_freek]

Gpu will be RTX 2070 

resolution 1440p

purpose mostly gaming 

Please lend me your opinion

[Braegnok]

Regardless of resolution or graphics card,.. Hands down AMD Ryzen 3600 for the win. 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Braegnok

[WhenKittensATK]

Ryzen 3600. It's cheaper, has more threads, and you can still upgrade to a better CPU down the line without swapping motherboards.

Edited September 7, 2019 by WhenKittensATK

[ir_cow]

Well I would say the Ryzen 3600 is the better choice. It is cheaper and beats out the 8600k in nearly everything. The downside is similar to Intel. this is the end of the AMD4 socket. The next Ryzen is going to be AM4+ or something different. That still means you can update to a 3950X (16 core) and enjoy many more years of gaming, but that is it. Intel is coming out with a new CPU / Socket Q4. Not sure if it will be better. Certainly not cheaper than AMD.

I would suggest picking up either a DDR4 3200 CL14 kit or 3600 CL16 kit for Ryzen. It can be upwards of 10 FPS difference from the run of the mill 2666 Memory. I'm waiting for G.SKill to send me a 3600 NEO kit to review, but right now i'm using F4-3200C14D-16GVR with a R7 3800X and I managed to push it to 4000 CL19 @ 1.4v. 3600 CL16 gives better results, but its good to know these Samsung B-Die Dimms can rock hard. 

[jdm_freek]

1 hour ago, ir_cow said:

Well I would say the Ryzen 3600 is the better choice. It is cheaper and beats out the 8600k in nearly everything. The downside is similar to Intel. this is the end of the AMD4 socket. The next Ryzen is going to be AM4+ or something different. That still means you can update to a 3950X (16 core) and enjoy many more years of gaming, but that is it. Intel is coming out with a new CPU / Socket Q4. Not sure if it will be better. Certainly not cheaper than AMD.

I would suggest picking up either a DDR4 3200 CL14 kit or 3600 CL16 kit for Ryzen. It can be upwards of 10 FPS difference from the run of the mill 2666 Memory. I'm waiting for G.SKill to send me a 3600 NEO kit to review, but right now i'm using F4-3200C14D-16GVR with a R7 3800X and I managed to push it to 4000 CL19 @ 1.4v. 3600 CL16 gives better results, but its good to know these Samsung B-Die Dimms can rock hard. 

Awesome ty. I picked up a Msi X470 gaming plus for $69 and a 3600 for $193 

I already have a 16gb  8x2 3600 cas 18 kit

paired with a 2070 a should be solid 

[Braegnok]

The NEO memory is optimized for Ryzen 3000 & X570 motherboards. I don't have an X470 to test it on, let us know how it goes.

I just built an X570, Ryzen 9 3900X system, running the NEO 3600 C14 works fine.  https://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/326/1562839044/F4-3600C14D-16GTZN-Qvl

Next few weeks G.SKILL is releasing NEO 3800 C14 kit which runs at CL 14-16-16-36 timings, and fClk to mClk ratio of 1:1  

 

Edited September 8, 2019 by Braegnok

[ir_cow]

Braegnok can you screenshot thaiphoon burner with that NEO memory? I am unable to go a below CL15 3600. I am thinking it's my sub timings. Or the fact that I am using a 3200 rated kit hahaha.

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From the little testing I have done between reviews is that my 3800X is just average. Ryzen 3000 uses MCLK (memory speed), UCLK (Memory Controller Speed) and FCLK (Infinity Fabric Speed).

The goal is to get them all in 1:1 ratio with the lowest timings. Once you break the 1:1 ratio on FLCK you get a 10-20ns penalty. So for example, just changing FCLK from 1800 to 900 (2:1), latency went from 67ns to 83ns.

My 3800X seems to be limited to 1800 for FCLK and UCLK.  Even if I push the SOC to 1.2v. Above 1.1v you lose PCIE 4.0 and it drops to 3.0. Since I can't pass 3600 memory speeds without breaking the ratio, the only thing I can do is lower the timings.

I think that 3800 CL14 kit is going to disappoint a lot of people trying to reach 1900 FCLK 1:1. It will boot up, but I think it will auto revert to 950 FCLK by default on most motherboards.

The question still stands, does it matter in games? That I haven't testing much of yet. It seems more game dependent from the results I have gathered. You can still do like FLCK / UCLK @ 1800 and have 1600 on the memory. It works fine, 100% stable in Memtest86.

[Braegnok]

Your right most folks are going to be disappointed running the 3800 CL14 kit trying to reach 1900 fClk 1:1,..  being 100% stable in Memtest. Apart from the combination of frequency and timings, is the unprecedented voltage required of 1.5 volts,.. a 25% increase over DDR4 specification, that is only supported properly on high-end platforms equipped with a high-quality VRM.

Here you go, hope this helps.  

Edited September 9, 2019 by Braegnok