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So hello guys after a year or two of inactivity. I've been out for a long time.

 

A bit of a resumee.. I hope my Signature is stil intact but in case it's not i'll describe my current build (bought in 2010 and still gaming perfectly).

 

Processor: I7 950 3.2ghz

Memory; Patriot 3x2gb 1600mhz

Monitor: 20" samsung monitor

HDD: 1tb WD
Watercooling: H60 Watercooling

Case: Thermaltake v9 Black Case

PSU; Thermaltake 750w
GPU: Originally was a EVGA 460gtz but I bought from a friend a Zotac 760 gtx 4gb which I believe is dead or faulty (happened 2 days ago). This forces me to update ALL MY SYSTEM
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Basic things.
I will play on 1920x1080 Max (once I get a new Monitor, current one supports 1600x900).

I will keep the Case, PSU, Watercooling, HDD, and Monitor (for now)

I need (can't decide:

Processor:

AMD (Generally cheapier than Intel but regarding performance is lower so..

INTEL (I was thinking in i7 7700k 4.2ghz or 8700 3.2ghz.
a) what is the deal with the K on intels? I do not plan on overclocking. Never did, never will.
b) Hhere is a comparisson and the 8700 is less power consuming, right? Cooler also. I don't know why would I need something like 4.2ghz looks too extreme 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare-products.html/processors?productIds=140642,97129

Motherboard.. Been out of hardware industry for a long time.. so I don't have ANY idea what to look for. For sure I do not want a GAMING Motherboard with lights and fancy expensive things. I want a solid motherboard with 1x PCI Express ( I don't think I will add 2 cards never). USB 3.0 (all mobos have) and 4 DIM Slot could be better than 2.

GPU: I'm pretty sure I will still choose Nvidia 1060gtx 6gb (probably the Gigabyte). Never bought AMD so It might be good but I trust on nvidia.. except for my shitty Zotac... (we can discuss about it later)

Memory: 2x8gb 2400mhz (no more Mhz or Size) That is plenty enough for me. I saw a Corsair for a decent Price.

 

 

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2 Years gone and your info is a little dated already. 7700K and 8700 are discontinued. There is a need for faster memory beyond 2400 and video cards very much need more than 1x PCIE Slots. 8x PICE 3.0 is enough for "most" 4K gaming. Some cards won't even run on 1x besides to cryto mine with. 

 

Going from where you are current at, Even AMD Ryzen CPUs will be night and day in comparison. The Ryzen CPU isn't that far off with higher speed memory. Ryzen CPU can gain 10 FPS simply switching from 2400 to 3200 memory in some games. It will bridge the gap fairly well. You will want 2933 - 3200 memory or you are wasting those extra FPS. Right now 3200 memory is cheaper than 2400. No reason not to go faster.

 

Personally I would do this:

 

AMD

 

MB: MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC

CPU: Ryzen 2700X

GPU: GTX 1660 Ti (Not 1060)

Memory: G.SKILL Flare X 16GB (2X8GB) F4-3200C16D-16GFX (F4-3200C16D-16GVRB Should work also). I had (F4-3200C14D-16GVK) in my Threadripper build, even though it wasn't on the QVL list, its Samsung B-Die so it worked fine.

 

 

Intel:

 

MB: GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS MASTER

CPU:  Intel Core i5-9600K (6Core 3.7Ghz)

GPU: GTX 1660 Ti

Memory: Intel isn't picky with ram, but I would still suggest 16GB 3000 / 3200 Kit. GSkill F4-3200C16D-16GVGB is $99

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Hi Cow.

 

I get you. But there is no possible way I can spend that amount of money on such expensive items.

 

I'm from Argentina, the 3200mhz memory is 2x price of 2400mhz. I just checked it. 

I have tested myself long time ago with 1000-1600mhz memory and there's not a single fps win. I don't know nowadays but I won't play in 4k as I said max FullHD.

1600ti is 50% more expensive than 1060. I really can't afford all that extra price.

 

Regarding processor. I didn't knew!!! They are top selling in here.

For what I can see i5 9600k is same or cheapier than the 7700k.

The AMD 2700x is an option too.

The motherboard GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS MASTER

Also not an option. Prices goes from $AR18.000 to $AR20.000. I've seen pretty good motherboards such as MSI z390 A-PRO or ASUS b-350 STRIX GAMING which is less than half the price. I can't affor that gigabyte.

I would have to work 3 months to buy all those components meanwhile I was thinking more like 1 month. Meaning your build is 3x the price I was willing to spend.

I'll investigate more into the i5 9600 or the 2700x

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Sorry i forget not everyone is the United States. My understanding of computer costs elsewhere is nearly zero.

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Anyway. 
I have NEVER used AMD except on a Laptop. Why you say Intel isn't picky with RAM. So I need to be more careful if I choose AMD?

(incompatibilities maybe?)

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Yes you need to be careful with AMD Ryzen CPUs, they are very picky with ram. Also unless you are planning on getting 2933-3200 memory, I would go with Intel instead. AMD Ryzen really needs fast ram to preform good. Intel doesn't have the problem. Different design of the memory bus and internals.

 

Memory speed for the AMD Ryzen is significant. It can be easily 10-15 FPS going from 2400 to 3200. It has a bigger impact than DDR2 days.

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I should clarify on the memory thing. Yes AMD Ryzen is memory dependent on preformance. But if you dont have a video card that is powerful enough to tap that potential, than it doesnt make a differecne. Playing 1440p with a GTX 1060 will Proabably yeild the same fps no matter what memory you are using.

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Yes you need to be careful with AMD Ryzen CPUs, they are very picky with ram. Also unless you are planning on getting 2933-3200 memory, I would go with Intel instead. AMD Ryzen really needs fast ram to preform good. Intel doesn't have the problem. Different design of the memory bus and internals.

 

Memory speed for the AMD Ryzen is significant. It can be easily 10-15 FPS going from 2400 to 3200. It has a bigger impact than DDR2 days.

I really appreciate the info on the Ryzen. It will be a pity but sadly those memories are super super expensive here. Double 2400mhz price.

 

I should clarify on the memory thing. Yes AMD Ryzen is memory dependent on preformance. But if you dont have a video card that is powerful enough to tap that potential, than it doesnt make a differecne. Playing 1440p with a GTX 1060 will Proabably yeild the same fps no matter what memory you are using.

Is way too good to know that.

 

And I'm considering your i5 9600k. Is cheapier than i7 7700k and i7 8700. So I could reach for a better videocard. After all I want PC for Gaming so My best bet is the Videocard, RAM Mhz or CPU isn't going to make big difference. GPU will.

 

What about

GIGABYTE RTX 2060 OC 6GB DDR6?
is the same price of 1660ti (kinda)
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How about this two builds (cheapier processor, better GPU):

The 1660ti is not ath that store, but googling it is the same price as 2060RTX, I reckon both are fairly new and similar?
 

-----------------------AMD BUILD-1

ASUS B350-F ROG STRIX GAMING
AMD RYZEN 5 2600X
x1 CRUCIAL 8GB 2400MHZ BALLISTIX SPORT LT WHITE DDR4
x1 CRUCIAL 8GB 2400MHZ BALLISTIX SPORT LT RED DDR4
MSI RTX 2060 6GB VENTUS OC DDR6
========================================================
TOTAL ========================================== $44.120
With Ryzen2700 (no X) ========================== $47.905
 
---------------------- INTEL BUILD-2
ASUS B360 GAMING PRO TUF - WIFI
INTEL COFFEE LAKE CORE I5 8400
x1 CRUCIAL 8GB 2400MHZ BALLISTIX SPORT LT WHITE DDR4
x1 CRUCIAL 8GB 2400MHZ BALLISTIX SPORT LT RED DDR4
MSI RTX 2060 6GB VENTUS OC DDR6
========================================================
TOTAL ========================================== $42.200
With i7-9600k ================================== $46.160

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Both 1160 and 2060 are very new. Within the last 2 months. If they are the same price (or close), you will benfit more from the 2060 in the long run.

 

I would go with the Intel Build you listed. The i7 9700k has 2 extra cores. Both have hyperthreding disabled. Those extra cores can help in games like Battlefield 5, but do nothing in Counter-Strike. So it will be game dependant.

 

What games are you playing?

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Both 1160 and 2060 are very new. Within the last 2 months. If they are the same price (or close), you will benfit more from the 2060 in the long run.

 

I would go with the Intel Build you listed. The i7 9700k has 2 extra cores. Both have hyperthreding disabled. Those extra cores can help in games like Battlefield 5, but do nothing in Counter-Strike. So it will be game dependant.

 

What games are you playing?

I've been reviewing and I don't get why new processors got Hyperthreading disabled. Looks like a bad thing (to me).

 

And BTW is a 9600k. I believe the 9700k is pretty much superior

 

In another article I've read the new architecture of RTX is way too new and someone will wait before getting it. What I can tell you is i'm building for a machine that last 8-10 years as the same I'm using which is 9 years.

 

I play varied (Single Player). The only On-Line game I Play is LOL (no need much hardware for this). Then I'd like to Play Metro Exododus and I will DEFINITELY want to play Atomic Heart. Battlefield maybe but Single Player (Story Mode); I don't play online.

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...so on a side note, that atomic heart mention got my attention, and i mean really got my attention !

 

 

 

 

 

 

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