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yeah sorry after i did the post i went in and changed my sig. so yes it is now my third rig, I have 3 sets of 3x2gb 6-8-6-24 t1. I had an EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI that was running 12gb of gskill ram on had the same problem, gave the hole system to my brother cause i was tired of f'n around with it trying to get the ram to work. picked up the R3E board and had the same problems barrowed ram from multiple friends OCZ, Geil, Gskill, Corsair, Mushkin. Found mushkin to be the best and have never looked back, once i found out that mushkin worked i tried them in the evga board found all 12gb right away with no playing in the bios. put the gskill back in and on each reboot it would find different amounts each time.

 

 

If you want ill send you two sets to try out just shoot me a pm with your address

 

Thats a sweet deal IVIYTH... nothing to lose.... never noticed till now but this dude lives close to me.....

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Personally I'd go with 12Gb of memory at the higher memory and cpu frequency. I really can't see you doing much that would require more than 12Gb of memory. But I do contest your claim that the X58 chipset is junk :)

 

I've owned several x58 based boards and for the most part they were good to great. I don't think it's a chipset problem as much as the integrated memory controller on the cpu. In my experience high memory clocks or high memory capacities/densities always required a bump in the QPI/VTT voltage and sometimes IOH voltage too.

 

Further complicated in your situation by the miss-matched SPD info the BIOS is reading from your two different memory kits. You can set the primary timings and adjust the voltage in an attempt to get both kits to play pretty, but there are still all of those secondary memory settings that the BIOS is attempting to set.

 

Heck, I found in almost 100% of the cases if I went from 6Gb to even 12Gb on an i7 9X series processor that I had to reduce my memory frequency, or cpu speed in order to maintain the stability of my overclock. To my knowledge the only users not affected as much by this were those running extreme versions of the socket 1366 processors. Guess they had better memory controllers than the vanilla i7 9X series processors but that is only speculation on my part.

+1 It took me a long time to get my 12gb (6x2gb) working properly with my 930 at 4.0ghz. Eventually though, I just ended up boosting the QPI, VTT, and IOH voltages a bit. I can't remember off the top of my head what I set them to, but I will let you know if I remember when I get home. I know I had my IOH voltage at 1.24-1.3 but that was more so due to what I though was a PCI-E vdroop problem.

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QPI/VTT voltage start point from 1.2 up to 1.3v

 

IOH voltage at 1.25 to 1.30 should be sufficient.

 

One other thing of note is that it may require you bump the stock dram voltage by .5V or so to help keep the juice to all that memory.

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+1

 

 

 

 

And those exact sticks are the ones I had to toss out because my x58 machine wouldn't recognize all 3 sticks and eventually they all went bad. I switched to G.Skill, have had no issues at all, and haven't looked back.

They all work fine with a lower overclock though, which makes me think one component simply is not getting enough voltage.

 

yeah sorry after i did the post i went in and changed my sig. so yes it is now my third rig, I have 3 sets of 3x2gb 6-8-6-24 t1. I had an EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI that was running 12gb of gskill ram on had the same problem, gave the hole system to my brother cause i was tired of f'n around with it trying to get the ram to work. picked up the R3E board and had the same problems barrowed ram from multiple friends OCZ, Geil, Gskill, Corsair, Mushkin. Found mushkin to be the best and have never looked back, once i found out that mushkin worked i tried them in the evga board found all 12gb right away with no playing in the bios. put the gskill back in and on each reboot it would find different amounts each time.

 

 

If you want ill send you two sets to try out just shoot me a pm with your address

Ah, well i can stabilize 3x4GB or 3x2GB just as easily but I just can't run 6 sticks and expect it to either be stable or show the correct quantity of memory.

 

What sticks would you allow me to assess, the 3x2GB CL6 kit??

 

Personally I'd go with 12Gb of memory at the higher memory and cpu frequency. I really can't see you doing much that would require more than 12Gb of memory. But I do contest your claim that the X58 chipset is junk :)

 

I've owned several x58 based boards and for the most part they were good to great. I don't think it's a chipset problem as much as the integrated memory controller on the cpu. In my experience high memory clocks or high memory capacities/densities always required a bump in the QPI/VTT voltage and sometimes IOH voltage too.

 

Further complicated in your situation by the miss-matched SPD info the BIOS is reading from your two different memory kits. You can set the primary timings and adjust the voltage in an attempt to get both kits to play pretty, but there are still all of those secondary memory settings that the BIOS is attempting to set.

 

Heck, I found in almost 100% of the cases if I went from 6Gb to even 12Gb on an i7 9X series processor that I had to reduce my memory frequency, or cpu speed in order to maintain the stability of my overclock. To my knowledge the only users not affected as much by this were those running extreme versions of the socket 1366 processors. Guess they had better memory controllers than the vanilla i7 9X series processors but that is only speculation on my part.

I may end up doing that, and as for my my insulting title, don't take it to heart :P. I like X58 just was peeved that they have issues with memory addressing when my old P45 didn't care one bit what memory I had where.

 

Oh yeah I know it's not the chipset's fault literally but rather it just doesn't seem to be as friendly a platform in this instance.

 

That's interesting to know, and since I have the lowest 900 series in existence, I know Intel doesn't care about cherrypickin' me one of those top shelf IMC's :P

 

Thats a sweet deal IVIYTH... nothing to lose.... never noticed till now but this dude lives close to me.....

I agree, it's a very generous offer. Hopefully I can get this sorted out on my own and not have to call upon such kindness.

 

+1 It took me a long time to get my 12gb (6x2gb) working properly with my 930 at 4.0ghz. Eventually though, I just ended up boosting the QPI, VTT, and IOH voltages a bit. I can't remember off the top of my head what I set them to, but I will let you know if I remember when I get home. I know I had my IOH voltage at 1.24-1.3 but that was more so due to what I though was a PCI-E vdroop problem.

Yes do tell me what settings you're running.

 

QPI/VTT voltage start point from 1.2 up to 1.3v

 

IOH voltage at 1.25 to 1.30 should be sufficient.

 

One other thing of note is that it may require you bump the stock dram voltage by .5V or so to help keep the juice to all that memory.

Good to know, I'll see what I'm running now and look into the necessary bumps...so you're saying 1.7V is safe to run on the modules themselves??

 

Moar QPI! Nom Nom Nom

Yeah really :D

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Ah, well i can stabilize 3x4GB or 3x2GB just as easily but I just can't run 6 sticks and expect it to either be stable or show the correct quantity of memory.

 

What sticks would you allow me to assess, the 3x2GB CL6 kit??

 

 

 

yep ill send ya 6 sticks (two sets) 3x2gb 6-8-6-24 t1. I have 3 sets of them so you wont completly kill the hole rig :thumbsup: they also overclock like no mans business, i was hitting 2100mhz at 9-11-9-28 t1 think i almost hit 2200mhz, its somwhere in the 3dmark 11 forum like page 14 -16 or something like that. think it was merc and i having a battle to see who could get their ram the highest

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12GB in what configuration?? 6x2GB or 3x4GB, because I can run 3x4GB (0-4-0-4-0-4) at 4.2ghz but not 6 sticks (2-4-2-4-2-4)

 

Yeah I'll have to look up what I'm running for the QPI volts, I could have swore I did a quick bump to them but I'll see when I get home

 

 

Probably what I'll do since it will both serve to pay off some of the new memory's investment but also I have a feeling it'd be hell (if even possible at all) to overclock to 4-4.2ghz with all 6 sticks in)

 

gee what are you running to need 16Gbs? i say keep the 12 and sail the old sticks.... ( is it just me but 12 is over kill ) like me wanting to use 2 SSDs right? ( i still think it would work great )

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The first sticks are very similar if not exactly these (OCZ):

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The newly install sticks are these (Patriot):

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Other then the timing mismatch (OCZ-CL8 and Patriot-CL9), as long as I run them both at the Patriot's timings it shouldn't be a problem. The OCZ sticks have been fine for me up until now though and I've used them (OCZ RAM) in my last 775 machine too without any problems, noted that they weren't stellar overclocking but then again, RAM overclocking is a mystery to me. (and I don't really care to go through the hassle since it affects very little in the end scheme of things)

 

What are you running for your VTT/QPI and IOH voltages to get an idea of what I should be trying, I don't want to add too much voltage.

 

If it's CPU speed or memory, I'll go with CPU speed. But figure I'd attempt to get all around benefits

thats some good looking RAM! Using the same ram is a most in my little world

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thats some good looking RAM! Using the same ram is a most in my little world

Mixed RAM is okay as long as you set the voltage and timing to accommodate for the mismatch. Whichever set has the higher voltage, use that. Whichever set has the slower speed/timings, use them (this is usually automatic, the voltage is not).

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Mixed RAM is okay as long as you set the voltage and timing to accommodate for the mismatch. Whichever set has the higher voltage, use that. Whichever set has the slower speed/timings, use them (this is usually automatic, the voltage is not).

 

i have never tried it seems like it would be to much hassle! HASSLE is my word of the day. it has to be true it on my FACE BOOK lmfao

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You are going to have to work the QPI v the IOH v and probably play with driving strengths and really get into tweaking to get that odd combo to work.

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Yes do tell me what settings you're running.

I'm running my QPI at 1.3v, DRAM Bus at 1.65v, and PLL set to auto. Currently trying IOH set to auto for the fun of it, but it was at 1.3 before I backed it down. P6X58D-E motherboard.

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