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Processor Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-404-IN £ 180.00

 

 

CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-035-CM £ 27.00

 

 

Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V Intel Z77 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-515-AS £ 144.00

 

 

Ram Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 16GB (2x8GB) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-347-CS £ 110.00

 

 

Hard drive Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-336-WD £ 102.00

 

 

SSD OCZ Vertex 4 128GB http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-106-OC £ 135.00

 

 

GPU Sapphire HD 7870 2048MB http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-296-SP £ 260.00

 

 

Power Supply Corsair Enthusiast Series TX 650W V2 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-037-CS £ 75.00

 

 

Optical Drive LG BH10LS38 10x BluRay-RW http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-106-LG&groupid=701&catid=10&subcat=314 £ 69.00

 

 

Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SW-127-MS £ 80.00

 

 

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I have been without a proper pc for a long time and finally the time has arrived for me to

 

buy a spanking new machine. Would you please review my choice to see if I am choosing the

 

best parts for the money spent ? Please note that this system will have to last me about 4-5

 

years so I don`t mind spending a bit extra for it to be a bit future proof, if that is

 

possible at all. Thanks

 

 

Approximate Purchase Date: will order this week if possible

 

Budget Range: 1400-1600 euros

 

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Photoshop and Gaming (equal importance)

 

Parts Not Required: need to buy everything

 

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: http://www.scanmalta.com/eshop/ , overclockers.uk ,

 

amazon.uk UK shops are only for price reference as I will order my pc build from Scan

 

Malta as they will import the parts for me.

 

Country: Malta .

 

Parts Preferences: no real preference

 

Overclocking: Maybe (Never tried it but probably will do some mild ocing)

 

SLI or Crossfire: No / Maybe

 

Monitor Resolution:1920x1080, 1920x1200

 

Additional Comments: No bling necessary at all. Would appreciate if the pc was quiet.

 

 

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.50GHz

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-403-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=

(Unsure whether hyperthreading will make a worthwhile difference in photoshop and future

 

proofing. Otherwise I will buy an i5 and save myself 115 euros)

 

 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-035-CM&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=

(Will I be better off if I buy an Antec Kuhler just in case I try overclocking?)

 

Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LX

http://www.scanmalta.com/eshop/asus-p8z77-v-lx-z77-ivy-bridge-mobo-s1155-pcie3-usb3-raid-at.

 

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(is the Maximus V Gene http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-516-AS much

 

better? Will the mobo make a real difference to the computer performance)

 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-310-CS

 

Hard Drive: 3TB Seagate Barracuda

http://www.scanmalta.com/eshop/3tb-seagate-st3000dm001-3-5-sata3-hard-drive.html

 

SSD: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-106-OC

(System will run completely from here. Barracuda only for storage)

 

Video card: GTX 560ti

http://www.scanmalta.com/eshop/1gb-gainward-gtx-560ti-pci-e-dual-dvi-vga-hdmi.html

(was also contemplating HD 7850

 

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-005-VX as in same price range)

 

Case: Cooler Master Storm Enforcer

http://www.scanmalta.com/eshop/cooler-master-storm-enforcer-usb3-black-mid-tower-gaming-cas.

 

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(will consider any case as long as priced in 100-140 euros. As long as its quiet and has

 

good ventilation anything will do as not bothered about looks. What I like about enforcer is

 

it has USB3 access on top)

 

Power Supply: 850W Corsair TX V2

http://www.scanmalta.com/eshop/850w-corsair-tx-v2-series-atx-4x-pci-e-8x-sata-power-supply.h

 

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(is this overkill for my system ? )

 

Optical Drive: LG 10x SATA Blu-Ray Writer

http://www.scanmalta.com/eshop/lg-bh10ls38-10x-sata-blu-ray-writer.html

 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium

 

Keyboard: suggestions appreciated

 

Mouse: suggestions needed

Edited by galore

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Wow, lost my whole post. I don't feel like retyping it and I don't feel like using that Scan Malta website again since it has such a pathetic selection.

  • Photoshop uses physical cores really well
  • Photoshop uses logical cores (hyperthreading) but only for certain operations (sorry, no list)
  • So a i7 will help out but not sure how much you will actually benefit
  • Try not to think of any machine as "future proof"
  • I prefer staying dual channel as that is what both Sandy and Ivy Bridge are optimized for. Since Photoshop is a memory whore, I would think there is a benefit to sticking with that methology but I have nothing to support that claim. One real tangible benefit is you will still have two open DIMMS available for potential future upgrades. Up to you if it is worth the extra €20.
  • I would go with low profile RAM so you know for a fact it won't be an issue with your cpu cooler
  • I would not go SLI
  • I would go 1900x1200 as the extra pixels is worth it when working. It only sucks for recording gameplay and uploading to YouTube since YouTube is 16:9 ratio.
  • Maximus V Gene is micro-ATX. I would not go mATX unless you plan on going with a small form factor case, which you are not doing. Ivy Bridge runs kind of hot so I'm sure I would want to anyway.
  • You will only need 650W for this build ...750W if you want the ability to SLI in the future
  • Nvidia is the king of GPUs for graphics. The 7850 is indeed the better card for gaming. Though I've never heard of VTX3D before so I would probably just go with the Asus GeForce GTX 560Ti. Depending on how important games are to you, I personally would ditch the SSD (even though they are awesome) and buy a GTX 670 instead and then buy the SSD later on.
  • I'm not sure I trust 3TB hard drives, I would go 2TB ...but I can understand where you are coming from. While the jump from 2TB to 3TB is kinda steep, it would be more expensive to buy 2TB now and then buy 1TB later. Only you know your storage needs.

 

In addition to the graphics card, some other links to consider:

Edited by Fogel

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Sorry that you lost your post fogel but thanks for the very informative explanation you gave me. Will certainly look into the 2 channel ram thing. For current photoshop 16 gb is more than enough but who knows what future versions will need. Then again, probably I would have to change the whole mobo and processor as well.

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Sorry that you lost your post fogel but thanks for the very informative explanation you gave me. Will certainly look into the 2 channel ram thing. For current photoshop 16 gb is more than enough but who knows what future versions will need. Then again, probably I would have to change the whole mobo and processor as well.

I see no reason to change the motherboard and cpu unless you wanted to go with a cheaper and cooler running i5 2500k.

 

You can run quad channel ram on any system, it is just a matter of what the CPU is optimized for. In other words there will be a slight hit on performance but it may not be that noticeable. Gamers don't care since we really only need a 4GB system to be happy. Photoshop actually uses the memory so I'm just not sure if a daily photoshop user would notice the difference or not.

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As i see it 115 more euros for 1/10 more of a ghz is way too much i would go for a 3570k everything else seems ok this will last you a gud while :P as for the video card a gtx 570 or 7870 would last you a gud while (i own both now XD) if you are only gonna use your ssd for booting a would get 2 :64gb ssd's one for cache and one for some programs and i am also also a little eerie about a 3tb hdd if you do get one please make sure to get one with a nice warranty :P best of luck

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As i see it 115 more euros for 1/10 more of a ghz is way too much i would go for a 3570k everything else seems ok this will last you a gud while :P as for the video card a gtx 570 or 7870 would last you a gud while (i own both now XD) if you are only gonna use your ssd for booting a would get 2 :64gb ssd's one for cache and one for some programs and i am also also a little eerie about a 3tb hdd if you do get one please make sure to get one with a nice warranty :P best of luck

 

 

Can you please explain further on the 2 ssd`s as it sounds interesting.

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You are not buying GHz with a 3770k, you are buying the hyperthreading.

 

@galore:

What he means by the 2 SSDs is:

  • 1 is for your programs (you won't fit much on a 64GB drive)
  • 2nd will be invisible to you as it is solely used to cache 64GB of your 3TB drive ...only the most used programs/files will see a benefit. I have 1 SSD and 1 storage HDD and I'm perfectly happy. Outside of wishing my SSD was larger I have zero complaints on my HDD speed. Some people are big on using an SSD as a cache drive. Though my take is if you have a 120+ GB boot/program drive you don't need a cache drive. Not to mention once you set up a 64GB SSD as a cache drive you lose all ability to control it as it is invisible to you. This technology is called ISRT if you want to google for more info. Way i see it is you can ALWAYS add in an SSD later in the future if you find accessing files on your storage drive to be that much of a hassle. I render video and keep it stored on my storage drive. I honestly have no issues with my storage strategy. Only thing I would want an extra SSD for is for a temp drive for FRAPS to record to.

 

Here is a build I would start with and make tweaks if necessary:

£1276 / €1580

 

It's hard making both a good gaming / photoshop machine ...especially with a budget. This build sacrifices on the graphics card to make room for a hyperthreading CPU. I personally would go with a 2500k or 3550k and get GTX 670, but I'm assuming your photoshop work will take priority. Also, this build assumes OCing isn't a huge priority and a modest OC would be acceptable. Still not keen on the 3TB HDD but it is what it is. With the NZXT Phantom 410 you won't buy much out of modular psu other than ease of installation so to save money, went to non-modular. Current gen GPU will run any current games and future games for awhile. Would prefer an Nvidia card, but in this pricing category AMD wins.

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I think you guys are right and the hyperthreading alone is not worth 100+ euros. Its better if I invest it in something else. Seeing all my possibilities and will post the new build soon.

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If you do routine works in Photoshop than HyperThreading would help you but not by much. Only some parts of Photoshop uses HT and so only boost it partially.

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If you do routine works in Photoshop than HyperThreading would help you but not by much. Only some parts of Photoshop uses HT and so only boost it partially.

 

and unless your projects are over 1.5GB/psd...and you use more than 12GB of memory...you will probably never notice the difference

 

edit: then after 4cores...Photoshop responds better to GHZ than core or threads

Edited by Il_napoletano

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If you are going to go i7 I think the X79 platform is worth a look. The 3920 is a good chip performance and price wise compared to the other i7 chips and gives you access to quad channel memory. The reason that is important to me is that with an i7 you are looking for extra threading capability and programs that use the hyper threading enough to matter will also benefit from the quad channel and the possible expansion to say 32 gig of memory.

 

However for most purposes, including Photoshop (of course not when dealing at the high end of it) the i5 is just a batter value.

 

Now I did not see in your post if you plan to overclock. If you do not plan to do this or do it only very conservatively then might I suggest looking at the i5 2400 or i5 3450. Both chips do not get much notice because they are not as sexy with the overclocking but the truth is these are awesome value chips that deliver great performance, on par with the 2500K and 3570K. Both can easily be overclocked to 3.9 Ghz with no effort at all and considering the conservative overclocks on the 2500K and 3570 tend to stop around 4.0 Ghz (after that you often have to do some tweaking to get higher) these chips can be a great choice for a system that needs to cut back a few dollars without cutting back performance.

 

As for video cards, as a gamer the minimum you should look at, since you are looking at the 560ti is the HD7850. It is only a LITTLE more expensive but gives a nice performance boost, often better than a GTX 570 and with overclocking can push a GTX 580.

 

 

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Ok guys totally updated my build. What you think of this now? Still undecided about case for now

 

 

Processor Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-404-IN

 

 

CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-035-CM

 

 

Motherboard Asus P8Z77-V Intel Z77 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-515-AS

 

Ram Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 16GB (2x8GB) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-347-CS

 

 

Hard drive Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-336-WD

 

SSD OCZ Vertex 4 128GB http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-106-OC

 

GPU Sapphire HD 7870 2048MB http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-296-SP

 

Power Supply Corsair Enthusiast Series TX 650W V2 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-037-CS

 

 

Optical Drive LG BH10LS38 10x BluRay-RW http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-106-LG&groupid=701&catid=10&subcat=314

 

 

Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SW-127-MS

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