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  1. 1. Do you Like Ron Paul?

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Do not let that discourage you. I had people do the same thing for Obama and he is now the president. People at work while I am working, people while I am eating or just on the street. I wasn't interested but I also felt hey they are fighting for what they believe so I never got angry. But that may have been because I wasn't too fond of his opponent. And yes I voted for McCain. I say give Ron Paul a chance. I hope I am getting it right. He doesn't seem like an establishment guy at all which is why he probably won't get the nomination. Honestly, can it get worse?

I agree, I wouldn't let those people ruin your opinion of him. Everything has these kind of people, a lot of candidates have these kind of people. I've seen people that act that way for Romney, Gingrich, Obama, McCain, Cain, and of course, Ron Paul as well.

 

Personally, one of my big reasons for supporting Ron Paul at the moment is his opposition to SOPA and NDAA. To me he seems to be very much about freedoms and not so much controlling what everyone does in the world.

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"To declare war on 1.2 billion Muslims and say all Muslims are the same, this is dangerous talk,” Paul added. “Yeah, there are some radicals. But they don't come here to kill us because we're free and prosperous. Do they go to Switzerland and Sweden? I mean, that's absurd….The CIA has explained it to us. They said they come here and want to do us harm because we're bombing them."

 

Outstanding foreign policy there Ron Neville Chambelain Paul. Oh yea, that "bring back the gold standard " is another gem of an idea.

 

This guy is absurd , I'm sorry but I'd rather have Obama and his socialist agenda than Ron Paul for 4 more years.

This is exactly why Paul doesn't have a chance in hell.

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"To declare war on 1.2 billion Muslims and say all Muslims are the same, this is dangerous talk,” Paul added. “Yeah, there are some radicals. But they don't come here to kill us because we're free and prosperous. Do they go to Switzerland and Sweden? I mean, that's absurd….The CIA has explained it to us. They said they come here and want to do us harm because we're bombing them."

 

Outstanding foreign policy there Ron Neville Chambelain Paul. Oh yea, that "bring back the gold standard " is another gem of an idea.

 

This guy is absurd , I'm sorry but I'd rather have Obama and his socialist agenda than Ron Paul for 4 more years.

This is exactly why Paul doesn't have a chance in hell.

 

So, its absurd to you that not all muslims are radical in their beliefs? That is like saying that all russians are communist or the westboro baptist church is an accurate representation of all americans.

I'm pretty sure the CIA explanation there makes much more sense than ^^^

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So, its absurd to you that not all muslims are radical in their beliefs? That is like saying that all russians are communist or the westboro baptist church is an accurate representation of all americans.

I'm pretty sure the CIA explanation there makes much more sense than ^^^

 

I grew up as a kid with Muslim neighbors..They weren't radical. They owned a gas station.

What is absurd is to think they are bombing us because we are bombing them.

The real danger here is this kind of thinking. People who strap bombs to themselves and blow up school buses full of kids in the name of god is a fairly normal activity , right?

Firing hundreds of rockets into innocent civilians is normal, right?

No it's absurd. And to ignore it and pretend the USA is responsible is even more absurd.

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The thing about Ron Paul is that he does have some good ideas. I mostly agree with him on quite a few issues. The problem is that on other issues he's completely nuts. He and his supporters have disillusioned themselves into thinking that giving people absolute freedom will lead to a society with more freedom. In case you know absolutely nothing about human nature, we as a species tend not to respect each others' rights and liberty if were aren't forced to. The entire concept of a "free market" is just as ridiculous as communism.

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So, its absurd to you that not all muslims are radical in their beliefs? That is like saying that all russians are communist or the westboro baptist church is an accurate representation of all americans.

I'm pretty sure the CIA explanation there makes much more sense than ^^

This ^

I mean I don't live in the US, so maybe I don't get to voice my opinion on this, but I will anyways. Invading a country because some extremists call it home is extremely short sighted in my opinion (and I do see it as invading because there are troops I'm a country where they aren't wanted engaging in combat). The majority of the Muslim populace have done nothing wrong yet they suffer as a war goes on between the US and the extremists, countless innocents dying to car bombs, etc. Personally I'm one of those people who would rather see a guilty man go free than an innocent man imprisoned, so when I hear of civilians dying in the crossfire between the Americans and Al Qaeda I find it particularly disturbing. In short, I think someone who's opposed to the war is probably a good thing. Not to mention that the American economy is in shambles currently, and war is extremely hard on economies (after each World War the countries that participated in it ended up incurring a ton of debt).

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The thing about Ron Paul is that he does have some good ideas. I mostly agree with him on quite a few issues. The problem is that on other issues he's completely nuts. He and his supporters have disillusioned themselves into thinking that giving people absolute freedom will lead to a society with more freedom. In case you know absolutely nothing about human nature, we as a species tend not to respect each others' rights and liberty if were aren't forced to. The entire concept of a "free market" is just as ridiculous as communism.

Communism isn't ridiculous, but the belief that human beings, the way that they are, can actually co-exist in such a way is totally ridiculous. Communism in it's original form was basically Utopia, nothing belongs to anyone, everyone has access to anything they need, no poverty, no starvation. But the fact of the matter is human nature states someone will always abuse their power, so it is impossible in practice to actually have a government that functions exactly based on the true idea of communism.

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Communism isn't ridiculous, but the belief that human beings, the way that they are, can actually co-exist in such a way is totally ridiculous. Communism in it's original form was basically Utopia, nothing belongs to anyone, everyone has access to anything they need, no poverty, no starvation. But the fact of the matter is human nature states someone will always abuse their power, so it is impossible in practice to actually have a government that functions exactly based on the true idea of communism.

Exactly. I meant that the idea of it actually working is ridiculous

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This ^

(after each World War the countries that participated in it ended up incurring a ton of debt).

 

Well actually, the US came out of the War better off, that's really when the economy started to pick up after the great depression. The european countries did incur a ton of debt, but that's because they had the war zones, and had to rebuild. The US didn't have that problem.

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The thing about Ron Paul is that he does have some good ideas. I mostly agree with him on quite a few issues. The problem is that on other issues he's completely nuts. He and his supporters have disillusioned themselves into thinking that giving people absolute freedom will lead to a society with more freedom. In case you know absolutely nothing about human nature, we as a species tend not to respect each others' rights and liberty if were aren't forced to. The entire concept of a "free market" is just as ridiculous as communism.

Last I heard he wasn't planning on getting rid of the government, laws, law enforcement. :lol:

 

I don't think he's proposing anarchy like you suggest, I do think he promotes freedom however.

 

For example, he's for gun rights, believes in the second amendment in the idea that it allows law abiding citizens to protect themselves, however he isn't suggesting that just anybody should be allowed to have a gun.

 

Honestly, I keep seeing people pop in this thread talking about how crazy Ron Paul is but they never even give examples really. The only person I think that did is Kingfisher and I can't really make sense of what he's saying, the way he words stuff is just strange to me.

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Last I heard he wasn't planning on getting rid of the government, laws, law enforcement. :lol:

 

I don't think he's proposing anarchy like you suggest, I do think he promotes freedom however.

 

For example, he's for gun rights, believes in the second amendment in the idea that it allows law abiding citizens to protect themselves, however he isn't suggesting that just anybody should be allowed to have a gun.

 

Honestly, I keep seeing people pop in this thread talking about how crazy Ron Paul is but they never even give examples really. The only person I think that did is Kingfisher and I can't really make sense of what he's saying, the way he words stuff is just strange to me.

Haha, well it's ok, Ron Paul doesn't make much sense to me either. He wants to limit government (I agree) he wants to follow the constitution (I agree). He wants to keep our country isolated(don't agree). He wants to allow countries like Iran and Syria and even the fine people of palatine(Hamas) freedom to wreak havoc on the world(destroy Israel).

Strange indeed

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"To declare war on 1.2 billion Muslims and say all Muslims are the same, this is dangerous talk,” Paul added. “Yeah, there are some radicals. But they don't come here to kill us because we're free and prosperous. Do they go to Switzerland and Sweden? I mean, that's absurd….The CIA has explained it to us. They said they come here and want to do us harm because we're bombing them."

 

Outstanding foreign policy there Ron Neville Chambelain Paul. Oh yea, that "bring back the gold standard " is another gem of an idea.

 

This guy is absurd , I'm sorry but I'd rather have Obama and his socialist agenda than Ron Paul for 4 more years.

This is exactly why Paul doesn't have a chance in hell.

 

Dude you are right in a lot of ways, and wrong in so many others. You have to understand that when Ron Paul talks, he never EVER says what he means to say. When he says "they want to do us harm because we are bombing them" does not correlate directly to the war today. He is referring to our interference in the Gaza strip, our help at the borders of isreal, and so many other things. He isn't referring to the bombing of the Arab world right now today. He is referring to all the other horrible stuff we have done to that part of the world protecting the Suez canal, protecting Israel, and so much other crap it is unreal over the past 60 years. When he talks you really really REALLY have to know history. Otherwise you end up right where you and so many other people are right now. Dazed, angry, and confused.

 

Now this is not to say in the least that I agree with everything he says. He has some pretty outgoing ideas that are a little too shall we say bold for my tastes :lol: . But what people don't get is that sooooo many of his ideas are represented as these malicious and dangerous ideologies, but really, it is a snowflake on a mountain top. That is why the media doesn't give him air time. They know that what he will be forced to do is force SOOOOOO much thought into only a couple of words that it will come across as abrasive. For instance. If you absolutely love ATI graphics cards and I absolutely love Nvidia graphics card (which I honestly don't care one way or another) and we have a flame war. I might have a really good point to make, but I only get to make it in a paragraph. Well what if this thought is so complex that it would take me a page to tell you. I would have to chop out so much support evidence to my claim that I would be left with a pile of .*. I would basically be left to say something stupid like ATI sucks because they release their cards too early. Is that statement true? Probably not right? It seems way too radical and ignorant. However, maybe if I were given more time to explain it would make more sense. (ps. I am pulling these comments of ATI literally out of thin air, they don't mean jack .*). Maybe if I were given another two paragraphs I could have said ATI releases their card too early, because they want to re-brand more old tech to make more money, rather than spending the time it takes to develop,make, and wait for new architecture. Then throw in a couple of examples to support my claim. THEN I would have a more valid point (again the ATI thing is just an example. No idea if it is true or not).

 

This is where Ron Paul looses people like you. He can only say that we will go back to a gold standard. However, what he means is that he wants to cut spending and cut social programs and put the country back on a path to the gold standard. It is more of a long term thing that what he leads on. Because he is given so little time in the media, he can not explain the fantastic logic he has, or the history behind his ideas.

 

He is by no means perfect, but neither are the other candidates, and certainly not Obama, so give him another chance and really listen to how he words things. You will start to see something totally different out of Mr. Paul.

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