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When "Equal Rights" Doesn't Mean "Equal" </ran

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First... Let me start by saying that I am NOT racist, chauvinist, anti-anything or the like...

 

A valid argument/discussion came up the other day between some friends/family and myself. The PLUS side is that my friends/family and I can be very diplomatic about how we discuss stuff, even if it gets into touchy areas. So before anyone decides to post ANY response to ANY statement or anyone ELSES beliefs, please take a moment to think through what you're going to say and try to word it to NOT offend anyone.

 

 

Now... The subject was "EQUAL RIGHTS", and along the way, a few extra twists and turns were added like religion, age, race, etc...

 

 

The subject came up due to a news story where a country wanted to have a "Heterosexual Pride Day" and the lead singer of Judas Priest (who is gay) said that it was childish. As much as I am a metal head and a HUGE fan of Judas Priest, I felt that his statement was as far from EQUAL as it could get.

 

And so the debate began and opinions from everyone were listened to and discussed... WITHOUT a heated battle of "I'm Right And You're Wrong!"

 

 

As for my opinion on the subject, I think everyone has their right to be happy as long as it doesn't go to the extreme of upsetting everyone around you. I don't really care what sexual preference people have or what religion they wish to follow as long as they're not throwing it in my face every chance they get. Unfortunately, there are people that have different lifestyles and they absolutely NEED to let everyone else know that they do and if you don't agree or allow them to say whatever they want, they get louder and more belligerant about it.

 

Personally, I think the "Equal Rights" flag waving is nothing more than a load of BS... Especially when it comes to something being treated as equal, then they want something "Special" instead. Equal is EQUAL... there is no amendment stating "under certain circumstances..." Why do so many people claim to want Equal Rights, but then want everything done specially for them? They want to be treated EQUALLY, but then want a special day set aside for them or a special parade, etc... But when someone from the opposite belief wants to do the same, then they're labeled as racist, haters, etc...

 

I guess, to me, EQUAL is 100% across the board. NOT when you decide to pick and choose when it will or will not apply to you. Sadly there is still a Gay Pride Day, Black College Funds, All Boys Schools, Native American Casino's, and many more examples I can't think of. Yet many of these groups claim to want equality. They want themselves to be included and accepted into society 100%, but then go right ahead and segregate themselves from it by creating a "group" or community for people that are only like them. Again... Equal is 100% across the board... not when you pick and choose.

 

In the link I provided earlier, some people Sao Paulo wanted to celebrate their heterosexual way of life, but the homosexual crowd is all up in arms about it saying it'll provoke homosexual violence, etc... What makes them think it would provoke any more violence than a bunch of gay/lesbien people throwing their way of life into the straight peoples faces by waving banners and yelling? Isn't it pretty much the same thing coming back as what you just threw the other way?

 

Why is it that there can't be a White College Fund? Because whoever started one would be labeled a racist and get sued 7 ways from Sunday. Why is it that some religions demand special days off and extra breaks at jobs/workplaces so they can pray ASIDE from the regular breaks that a job would offer for employees to eat lunch? Because if that workplace didn't allow that, then the civil rights people get their undies in a knot.

 

 

I know that I missed a LARGE part of the discussion, but hey... it was 8-9 people and took over an hour. On the plus side, we did it civally and as adults

 

 

Anyone have thoughts?

Edited by Rokkaholik

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Oh, where to begin?

 

Basically, it all boils down to the fact that people were persecuted in the past until now. The "Equal Rights" are supposed to make things equal to those who were persecuted, not make things "more equal" for those that were not.

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Cant disagree with that post.

 

Equal rights got thrown out the window a long time ago. Heck the biggest issue about it is talking about it. see below.

 

And that is all I'm going to say because I have a 100% probability of pissing someone off no matter how I explain how I feel weather im right or wrong.

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They basically stopped using the term equality in Australia and replaced it with reconciliation... which is far more accurate.

 

Minorities don't want equality, they want compensation (Generally).

 

Aboriginal people (Indigenous Australians) are easily equal in most civilised parts of Australia, they wouldn't get looked over for employment or anything similiar, they are given the same opportunities but on top of this they demand more government money (An aboriginal gets around $30,000 more annually on a pension than a white person on a similiar payment), areas/land/regions be turned over to them for X reason among other things.

 

This is no longer equality, it's reconciliation - Even though most of the people alive today recieving these benefits are only related to these hardships by ancestory, they weren't even directly involved.

 

I am not racist and have great respect for anyone (of any race, gender or affiliation) who puts some effort into their lives but the problem is that the beneficiaries take advantage of their benefits - Why look for a job (in which you have the same chance of anyone else of getting) when you could recieve a payment that is equal to or greater than most people's mid-range salaries for doing nothing.

 

I just don't understand the reasoning behind compensating people who weren't directly involved in anything, I mean... would you walk into a mcdonalds right now and demand a free burger because your dad told you that his great grandmother found a hair in her burger 60 years ago?

Edited by Whatislove

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Just wait in 20 years or so, whites will be the minority in the US.

 

Discrimination in general will never be solved, there will always be a group discriminated upon...

 

 

 

With Homosexuals its largely conservative Christians who have an issue with it. I have family who think its immoral (fine whatever, your entitled to believe that), but those same family members discriminate against those making derogatory comments. So much for being Christian hmm.

 

 

The way I feel about it is kinda the Morgan Freeman post as someone posted above. The only way it will stop is if we stop caring and focus on treating each other like the human beings we all are...

Edited by greengiant912

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Where are the (just as poor, just as bad off, but my ancestors weren't mistreated) white person scholarships?

 

 

 

I see both sides of the arguments, I understand the reason behind equal rights marches and "X" history month and "X" pride parades.

The thing is there will ALWAYS be someone who disagrees, no matter what you do.

 

I say let there be a white parade or a straight parade or a male parade, I don't give a shit, if people don't like it then it (as per the topic of this argument) in my opinion that shows the double standard.

 

 

It's kind of like the non/anti-thieist rallies and groups getting hated on by theists, a lot of them really don't care, it's the vocal ones who show their true hate towards people who aren't 'their way'.

 

 

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter what it is.

 

 

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

 

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Kind of related

 

 

All men are created equal, I mean I truly believe that.

 

I have friends and even close relatives who will SAY that phrase and still be extremely racist and sexist.

I just don't get their mentality...

 

People with turbans MUSS BE DEM TARERISTS!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dunno, that's just shit that spouted out of the top of my head, I don't know if it is legible or articulate whatsoever.

 

:P

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Fourthed!

I think what Whatislove said is true. Minorities don't want equal rights any more they want more equal rights.

For instance, now yes i am dipping into religion here but just as an example not pushing religious views, read this article. We can't risk offending the minority that is Muslims in the US, while at the same time the media takes delight in dissing the Christians who messup till they are blue in the face.

 

While idk if i know any gay people i would not treat them any different so long as they kept it to themselves, basically what OPs article discusses is another form of racism. If we all took Morgan Freemans standpoint we would be fine.

 

EDIT: Just saw Andrews Post.

I agree one hundred percent.

ALL MEN ARE CREATED 100% EQUAL!

 

Its your right to be different hold different opinions/beliefs from me but that does not make you any better or worse than me.

Edited by SpeedCrazy

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If a church is on fire, should the fire department put it out?

That is a conundrum that I don't know the answer to...

 

 

If there are people in the building then I suppose it is the departments duty to protect those people, but if they are tight on a budget and it is known to be empty then I say let it burn.

 

 

That is of course if (and I may be wrong) what I've heard (and never actually researched myself) about churches being tax free is true.

 

It IS a public service that the citizens have to pay for, why should they if the church doesn't pay the local/state/federal taxes?

 

 

 

Which brings us onto that topic...

 

The topic of no return.

 

Shouldn't they pay taxes?

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Which brings us onto that topic...

 

The topic of no return.

 

Shouldn't they pay taxes?

Well, then the mosques would have to pay taxes and then some mad Muslim would go bomb the IRS.... wait is that a problem.... :whistling:

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