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Hey guys, I`ve downloaded the free cryengine 3 two days ago and I`ve searched the net for information about it and found your threat.

I have a lot of free time right now and I always wanted to make my own games, so I attended the meeting yesterday and right now I`m feeling pretty motivated to get something started.

 

 

------My contribution to this project would be on the artistic side. I can produce a soundtrack or some sound effects, that would be something I could do right off the bat.------

------I also have some knowledge about UDK and blender, and I´d love to be a true 3d artist...or even coder! - but to be honest - I need more skills before I can come up with something useful....------

 

I`m german, I live in Munich but I think my English is acceptable. During the meeting yesterday I understood every word, I`m just a bit slower than native speakers. (this project is a great way to train my English btw...)

 

I would really like to see this project take off, and would like to help you guys coordinate and motivate, (especially in this beginning phase) but I can only imagine how hard it really is to get a good and working team together.( I`ve never really tried.)

 

please please autodesk: send us free copies:-)

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Last night, after everyone left IRC Death and I were talking and threw together some ideas for story and setting. We thought an interesting setting would be on a Dyson sphere, where people are living on the outer and inner sides of it, and the conflict is between those two groups. Here's the complete chat log of our conversation and a short little prologue of the story that just sets the scene.

Chat Log (it's pretty long because we talked for 3+ hours):

 

 

12:01 AM - Deathmineral: I'm in the same boat as you, except I'm kind of wobbly so it might tip over lol

12:01 AM - Deathmineral: I don't even get what a GDD or TDD is really

12:03 AM - Guest_Jim_*: state your ideas and goals, (GDD) and state what you have, most likely as what's possible with engine and programming abilities

12:04 AM - Deathmineral: that's kind of weird

12:04 AM - Deathmineral: I hope we all don't seriously need to make those, I don't really see the need for it

12:05 AM - Guest_Jim_*: yeah, that seemed weird to me too

12:05 AM - Guest_Jim_*: could break the focus by having too much information possibly, since ideally everyone would read everyone elses

12:06 AM - Deathmineral: I think we should just do it as we go myself

12:07 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I think we need a middle ground to it, but probably closer to your idea, since we don't know what we can and can't do yet

12:07 AM - Deathmineral: so what are you thinking about doing then?

12:08 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I'm not very experienced with code, but if we need any story, rough concept, or image editing, glad to help

12:08 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I do have one idea though, but I don't know if it's possible with UDK

12:08 AM - Deathmineral: what's that?

12:08 AM - Guest_Jim_*: well, someone (Darius I think) was talking about wanting zero or low gravity

12:09 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I was thinking why not have fun with gravity by putting you in a large sphere, so to shoot across the map you shoot up

12:09 AM - Guest_Jim_*: didn't mention it because I only thought of it like 20 minutes ago

12:10 AM - Deathmineral: kind of reminds me of dead space

12:10 AM - Deathmineral: I remember a room that was a sphere

12:10 AM - Deathmineral: zero gravity

12:10 AM - Guest_Jim_*: haven't played DS yet

12:10 AM - Guest_Jim_*: it's on my list though!

12:10 AM - Deathmineral: it's pretty good, and that part is definitely one of the better parts of the game i think

12:11 AM - Deathmineral: but ya I think that would be a good map design

12:11 AM - Guest_Jim_*: any idea as to if it will be MP or SP

12:11 AM - Deathmineral: not sure really

12:11 AM - Deathmineral: I was hoping for SP but I think they're wanting MP

12:11 AM - Deathmineral: I was kind of looking forward to the idea of it having a story

12:12 AM - Guest_Jim_*: does UDK include server software?

12:12 AM - Deathmineral: I don't know

12:12 AM - Guest_Jim_*: if it does, then we can add in the MP to an SP with story

12:13 AM - Guest_Jim_*: actually, I may be able to put something together based on living in a Dyson Sphere (massive sphere around a star to collect all of the energy it releases

12:14 AM - Deathmineral: the thing that worries me with a SP is that everyone might feel like they should work on the story or something and it could cause a lot of conflict

12:14 AM - Deathmineral: personally I was going to suggest you have the lead story developer earlier in the IRC but didn't really have a chance

12:15 AM - Guest_Jim_*: well, really all a story would need is why you're the good guy and why they're the bad guy

12:15 AM - Guest_Jim_*: also describe the setting and maybe a little on tech

12:15 AM - Guest_Jim_*: first game, so who cares about character interactions

12:15 AM - Deathmineral: I care lol

12:16 AM - Deathmineral: for me a story is almost pointless without good characters

12:16 AM - Guest_Jim_*: that's right, I forgot it's Deathmineral I'm chatting with lol

12:17 AM - Deathmineral: well that's just how I see it, I've never seen a good story with bad or no characters

12:18 AM - Deathmineral: and I've seen plenty of stuff with great characters but almost no story but the characters are so good that you can almost follow a story with them

12:18 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I know, but for the actual coding of the game, the mechanics and such, love interests will be second, is my thinking

12:18 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I may be wrong, but I figure crafting the story will be the easy part, so don't get too particular with it, where people can argue much

12:19 AM - Guest_Jim_*: still, if I can put something in depth together, I'll do that just for you

12:19 AM - Deathmineral: lol

12:19 AM - Deathmineral: aww I feel so special

12:20 AM - Deathmineral: I'm kind of wondering why we chose UDK now though

12:20 AM - Guest_Jim_*: no clue

12:21 AM - Guest_Jim_*: maybe people have more experience with that

12:21 AM - Deathmineral: I mean there's plenty of engines to choose from but we went with the... expectable one

12:21 AM - Guest_Jim_*: you sure Source wouldn't be the expected one?

12:22 AM - Deathmineral: no I meant that it's just one that doesn't really stick out

12:22 AM - Guest_Jim_*: fair point

12:22 AM - Deathmineral: source, unreal, cryengine, these are all so normal

12:23 AM - Deathmineral: I guess it's because of what you said though, it's what people are experienced or comfortable with

12:23 AM - Deathmineral: I guess it's a little strange to me though because I think we could have found something easier

12:24 AM - Guest_Jim_*: do you know an easier one?

12:24 AM - Deathmineral: maybe I'm wrong about that though, I don't know engines at all really

12:25 AM - Guest_Jim_*: got the story idea

12:26 AM - Guest_Jim_*: dyson sphere right, one side in the game is on the inside, the other side is, wait for it, on the outside!

12:26 AM - Guest_Jim_*: obvious way to cause conflict as the energy source is on the inside

12:28 AM - Deathmineral: there's no way you thought that up on your own, you must be brainstorming with like 20 other people in your room or something, that's far too elaborate for one man to think up :P

12:29 AM - Guest_Jim_*: dude, you don't want to know about my real elaborate stories

12:29 AM - Guest_Jim_*: they make MY brain hurt

12:30 AM - Guest_Jim_*: of course that could be figuring out how to write it...

12:31 AM - Guest_Jim_*: thinking the Inners use and rely on energy based technology (eg lasers, ion guns, shields) while the Outers rely more on kinetics (eg bullets, missiles, armor)

12:33 AM - Deathmineral: interesting

12:33 AM - Deathmineral: and the leader of the outers can be named Ralph! :D

12:33 AM - Guest_Jim_*: the energy Inners makes immediate sense to me, and the kinetics is the only thing I could figure out to keep the Outers even

12:34 AM - Guest_Jim_*: actually, it does make sense for both: Inners have essentially limitless energy, so naturally they will rely on that while the Outers have limited resources, but while energy will be lost, mass can be recycled

12:35 AM - Deathmineral: I think Steven is a good name for the inners leader

12:36 AM - Deathmineral: I mean honestly, those are the most epic rival names since... Optimus Prime and Megatron :D

12:36 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Edward and Chris are better

12:37 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Edward and Robert are great too

12:37 AM - Deathmineral: Smith and Smith would be good

12:37 AM - Guest_Jim_*: brothers? NO BETTER! The leaders are Sisters!

12:37 AM - Guest_Jim_*: whose done that? No one!

12:38 AM - Deathmineral: hawt!

12:38 AM - Guest_Jim_*: now, are we doing realistic female models, or game female models?

12:38 AM - Deathmineral: I don't know, i thought we were joking around lol

12:39 AM - Guest_Jim_*: serious jokes

12:39 AM - Guest_Jim_*: because really, there's no reason they can't be women

12:39 AM - Deathmineral: well that's true, not like they're too weak to hold weapons in zero gravity

12:40 AM - Guest_Jim_*: there will be some gravity, but weak

12:40 AM - Guest_Jim_*: although, the Outer one will probably be quite strong, by necessarity of her life, while the Inner one will be weaker by convenience

12:41 AM - Deathmineral: do they have to be sisters?

12:41 AM - Deathmineral: I think cousins would work better

12:42 AM - Guest_Jim_*: sure

12:42 AM - Deathmineral: I think it would make the lesbian scene a lot less awkward

12:42 AM - Guest_Jim_*: really

12:42 AM - Guest_Jim_*: you going to animate that?

12:42 AM - Deathmineral: why would I let anyone else animate that? :P

12:43 AM - Guest_Jim_*: are you experienced enough to animate that?

12:43 AM - Guest_Jim_*: you don't need to answer that

12:43 AM - Deathmineral: I'm experienced enough...

12:43 AM - Deathmineral: to imagine it

12:43 AM - Deathmineral: and then some

12:44 AM - Deathmineral: in fact, tentacle monsters everywhere!

12:44 AM - Guest_Jim_*: sure, why not start off with an M rated game

12:44 AM - Deathmineral: this is pretty much going to be a japanese porn game by the time I'm done with it

12:44 AM - Deathmineral: anyway...

12:45 AM - Deathmineral: so what are the sisters' names?

12:45 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I suck at creating names

12:45 AM - Deathmineral: okay, I'm going to see if I can't think up some good names, I'm off to consult with cleverbot

12:47 AM - Guest_Jim_*: how about Amanda and Farrah, because no on will guess where I got those from

12:48 AM - Deathmineral: I don't know, those sound pretty earthy and normal

12:48 AM - Deathmineral: i think we should try for some original names

12:48 AM - Guest_Jim_*: they're OCC members

12:49 AM - Deathmineral: huh...

12:50 AM - Deathmineral: I thought you got the second one from Diablo 2

12:50 AM - Guest_Jim_*: nope, we have a member with that real name

12:50 AM - Guest_Jim_*: haven't play D2

12:50 AM - Guest_Jim_*: have played D1 though

12:51 AM - Deathmineral: D2 is excellente

12:51 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I don't doubt it

12:51 AM - Guest_Jim_*: still, think I'll get Torchlight 2 before that

12:54 AM - Guest_Jim_*: should the played character be a general-anyone character or a specific person? can tell a story either way, though the general character is more internally emotional while the specific person is more external

12:54 AM - Guest_Jim_*: you identify with the general while you become the specific (I think. Really just BSing it, but it makes sense)

12:55 AM - Deathmineral: I think maybe not a general character but someone close to one of the sisters, depending on which side you play on

12:56 AM - Deathmineral: like a ummm I don't know ranks very well but someone close, as a friend, but also someone that is close in rank, like 2 or 3 ranks down from her

12:56 AM - Guest_Jim_*: hmm, okay, but I'm htinking they work into that close roll, to act as introduction to the characters

12:57 AM - Guest_Jim_*: unless we just throw them into a bar at some point and have them talking like friends would

12:57 AM - Guest_Jim_*: then blow up the bar, because drinking is bad for you

12:57 AM - Deathmineral: lmao

12:59 AM - Deathmineral: I think maybe just have it start out where you're in that position and maybe for the first scene, it shows you in the hospital and the leader gal is sleeping in a chair next to you when you first wake up

12:59 AM - Deathmineral: hospitals are always the best way to start anything :D

12:59 AM - Guest_Jim_*: classrooms work too

1:00 AM - Guest_Jim_*: so do bedrooms

1:03 AM - Deathmineral: how about Arcos?

1:04 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Arcos?

1:04 AM - Deathmineral: I think that could be a good name for one of them

1:04 AM - Guest_Jim_*: that sounds more like a man's name

1:04 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Arca sounds more feminine

1:04 AM - Deathmineral: that's the idea though

1:04 AM - Deathmineral: we'll pull a Samas on them

1:05 AM - Deathmineral: they think they're guys fighting each other but it's really sisters

1:05 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I don't think I can pull that off

1:05 AM - Guest_Jim_*: they're leaders, so others will already know they're women

1:05 AM - Guest_Jim_*: to not use that already will kind of hurt the story possibilires

1:06 AM - Deathmineral: wouldn't they just call them Sir though?

1:06 AM - Deathmineral: or commander?

1:06 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I thought you were suggesting the main character be associated with one of them?

1:06 AM - Deathmineral: it's not like a real Samas eiither, it won't last until the end of the game, just for a shorl while after the start

1:07 AM - Guest_Jim_*: he's going to know

1:07 AM - Deathmineral: ya but he's a mute

1:07 AM - Deathmineral: they're always a mute

1:07 AM - Guest_Jim_*: he's not blind though!

1:08 AM - Deathmineral: she has a helmet on,

1:08 AM - Deathmineral: they're fighting and then when they drive back the enemy she takes off her helmet

1:08 AM - Guest_Jim_*: and incredibly bulky armor

1:08 AM - Guest_Jim_*: or very small breasts

1:08 AM - Deathmineral: halo pulled it off just fine

1:09 AM - Deathmineral: they always had bulky armor but small girls inside of it

1:09 AM - Guest_Jim_*: lets say the Outers are wearing such bulky armor, the Inners use shields, not armor

1:09 AM - Deathmineral: and it works fine here because of the low gravity

1:09 AM - Guest_Jim_*: shields are generally transparent

1:10 AM - Guest_Jim_*: low gravity will help with weight, but won't allow for arms clipping into the chest piece

1:11 AM - Deathmineral: lolwut?

1:11 AM - Deathmineral: why would her arms clip through the chest piece?

1:12 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I'm assuming a relatively thick suit of armor, so reaching across ones chest is limited

1:13 AM - Guest_Jim_*: like power armor in FO3, you're not going to (realistically) reach across the chest very far because of the armor on the chest and arm

1:13 AM - Guest_Jim_*: still, whatever, that's something someone else can figure

1:13 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I swear I am trying to think of a way to make it a revealation that at least one of them is a woman

1:14 AM - Deathmineral: it's not a revealation for the character you play as, it is for the player themself though

1:14 AM - Guest_Jim_*: yeah, I just thought of that and was about to type it

1:15 AM - Guest_Jim_*: so the leader (Arca?) first appears with helmet and nondescript armor on

1:15 AM - Guest_Jim_*: somehow already described as leader and warrior

1:15 AM - Guest_Jim_*: then BAM, it's a chick

1:16 AM - Deathmineral: I'm not sure I'm following the way you're saying there

1:18 AM - Guest_Jim_*: the revealation won't be much of a twist if there hasn't already been a reason for the player to suspect it is a man, hence the "described as leader and warrior," typically masculine roles

1:18 AM - Deathmineral: here's an example of how it could play out, you start out on the battefield, you're fight, you go into a script where you get knocked down by an explosion, she comes running over and helps you up and to cover, your leg is injured and you can't move or fight, so you just sit there and watch as she and the rest of them drive back the enemy, several minutes later she comes back and takes off her helmet and asks if you're okay

1:18 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I know it's not going to be much of a twist to begin with, but why not milk it anyway?

1:19 AM - Guest_Jim_*: why are they fighting? Or is this a flash forward?

1:19 AM - Deathmineral: that was just an example of a way to start the game off

1:20 AM - Deathmineral: I was kind of thinking that the armor would be the thing to imply that it was a man to the player

1:21 AM - Guest_Jim_*: the Inner leader might not be using armor though, still, that doesn't matter much, and don't want to pull the same thing twice

1:21 AM - Guest_Jim_*: a Dyson Sphere has thickness to it, so something can happen between the two layers

1:21 AM - Deathmineral: ya I know, I was thinking playing as outer would be more intersting really

1:22 AM - Deathmineral: I figure it doesn't matter too much which side we choose to put the story on because it's not like it's an eye opener if you allow them to play both sides after all

1:23 AM - Deathmineral: I mean it would be pretty routine, play one side, see their reasons for what they think and how it got to that point, then you do the same with the other side

1:23 AM - Guest_Jim_*: and just use the Inner for MP

1:23 AM - Deathmineral: ya

1:23 AM - Guest_Jim_*: can have fun on the inside though, because of gravity tricks

1:24 AM - Deathmineral: the reason I think outer could be more intersting though is because I think we could make the leader seem and look tomboyish or muscular even but actually give her a very feminine and kind personality

1:24 AM - Guest_Jim_*: also the massive solar satellite could be a playable area

1:24 AM - Guest_Jim_*: plus the Outers will be seen as the underdogs, and people like helping them

1:25 AM - Deathmineral: ya

1:25 AM - Guest_Jim_*: the solar satellite I mention is just that there's got to be something to cause a day-night cycle inside

1:25 AM - Guest_Jim_*: so why not a massive satellite to block out part of the star?

1:25 AM - Deathmineral: interesting

1:26 AM - Guest_Jim_*: could hold the last inner strong hold

1:26 AM - Guest_Jim_*: actually, the satellite should be another smaller dyson sphere, but not meant to capture all the light

1:27 AM - Guest_Jim_*: one side is opaque while the other can be tuned to filter out specific radiation (gotta keep out those gamma rays)

1:27 AM - Deathmineral: sounds good to me

1:28 AM - Deathmineral: I just realized, we're probably thinking all of this stuff up without actually recording any of it lol

1:28 AM - Guest_Jim_*: that makes three parts to the game then: breaching into sphere; the inner surface of the sphere; the satellite

1:29 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I can copy all of this chat text to keep and am already working on writing a story

1:29 AM - Guest_Jim_*: currently in the prologue

1:29 AM - Guest_Jim_*: yeah, I'm writing it like a book

1:29 AM - Deathmineral: oh okay, glad one of us thought to do so :D

1:29 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I like writing stories, so, yeah

1:30 AM - Deathmineral: so do you think we should go with Arcos or Arca?

1:30 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Arca is, for Latin, the female version, but still, I think people could hear it going either way

1:30 AM - Guest_Jim_*: random thought, is there going to be voice acting?

1:31 AM - Deathmineral: good question lol

1:31 AM - Deathmineral: I hope so but it's really hard to say

1:31 AM - Guest_Jim_*: that was a bad joke

1:31 AM - Deathmineral: lol

1:31 AM - Deathmineral: I didn't even catch it until you said so

1:31 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I know, that's how bad it was :P

1:32 AM - Deathmineral: anyway, I think voice acting could be great but it could be challenging to get a good voice for the leader

1:33 AM - Deathmineral: the person I think of right off hand is probably bluepanda but I don't know what her voice is like either

1:33 AM - Guest_Jim_*: beggars can't be choosers

1:34 AM - Guest_Jim_*: maybe someone's wife or girlfriend would help out

1:34 AM - Guest_Jim_*: still, that's probably best for the later stages

1:34 AM - Deathmineral: ya

1:34 AM - Deathmineral: that's what I was thinking

1:34 AM - Deathmineral: voice acting can be something added in at any time I think

1:35 AM - Guest_Jim_*: by the way, are we trying for a AAA title or just learning experience?

1:35 AM - Deathmineral: good question lol

1:35 AM - Deathmineral: I'm really not sure though

1:35 AM - Deathmineral: I like to think it's just a learning experiene but it seems to me like some are getting pretty advanced with it all

1:36 AM - Deathmineral: I guess we're part of that but I don't know lol

1:36 AM - Guest_Jim_*: idea: we first focus on getting all the coding and such done, with basic graphics and models

1:36 AM - Guest_Jim_*: then incrementally improve the graphics

1:37 AM - Deathmineral: it's actually the models that kind of worry me, I don't know how advanced we can get with the UDK

1:37 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Most likely as advanced as hardware allows

1:37 AM - Guest_Jim_*: it's not like we're going to render cinema quality here

1:38 AM - Deathmineral: well no

1:38 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I just realized something, does Unreal support AA yet?

1:38 AM - Deathmineral: but I mean think about some of the ideas put forth with the characters so far and some of that might not be possible

1:38 AM - Deathmineral: not sure about AA

1:39 AM - Deathmineral: like my idea of her being muscular, I'm not sure it will be possible to represent that in UDK

1:40 AM - Deathmineral: you know what, I think you're right, we should use Arca

1:40 AM - Deathmineral: it's definitely more feminine and it's not like we need to use her name before an unvealing

1:41 AM - Deathmineral: the thing I'm also worried about is if anyone can even make the models for these characters

1:41 AM - Deathmineral: I'm fairly sure I don't have the skill for it

1:42 AM - Guest_Jim_*: it's less about skill and more about focus I think

1:42 AM - Guest_Jim_*: if you can focus for the ten days to make an awesome model, it's still an awesome model

1:42 AM - Deathmineral: well I think for me it's about skill

1:43 AM - Deathmineral: I'm honestly just starting out here lol

1:43 AM - Deathmineral: like I started doing this stuff just a day ago

1:43 AM - Guest_Jim_*: skill obviously helps (afterall, who wants to spend 10 days on one thing like that") but time can make up for it

1:45 AM - Deathmineral: that's the thing, I still need time to learn the software, especially if we go with something other than Blender, and then I would have to learn how to make and sculpt human models, then learn how to do details, then try to make one that I need for the leader

1:46 AM - Deathmineral: on the other hand there are some already somewhat skilled 3D modelers on the team and I think they'd probably be picked to take on work like that

1:47 AM - Deathmineral: so do you think we should name the player character?

1:47 AM - Deathmineral: oh wait... I guess we kind of have to

1:48 AM - Guest_Jim_*: not completely true

1:48 AM - Deathmineral: well no but I think we're probably going to I mean

1:48 AM - Guest_Jim_*: can always go the FO3 route and never directly refer to the person

1:48 AM - Guest_Jim_*: yes, we will at some point I'm sure

1:48 AM - Guest_Jim_*: well, I'm sure I will at some point (writing the story after all)

1:49 AM - Guest_Jim_*: by the way, if I like this story, I don't care what you people think, I will try to publish it lol

1:49 AM - Guest_Jim_*: you can use it, I won't be a dick like that

1:49 AM - Guest_Jim_*: but if I end up writing a book, I don't see why I shouldn't try to get it out there

1:50 AM - Deathmineral: fine by me

1:51 AM - Deathmineral: still I think we should try to keep things a little simpler, I mean if you write a book with the story it can be full of details but I think for the game we should try to keep it a little more simple

1:52 AM - Guest_Jim_*: completely agree, but if I find these characters, the setting, and the plot interesting, I'm not going to hold back

1:55 AM - Deathmineral: so any thoughts for names for the other sister and the player character?

1:56 AM - Guest_Jim_*: not yet

1:56 AM - Guest_Jim_*: currently how I'm writing the prologue is just an account of what this place is

1:56 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I've named it Sphere 6

1:56 AM - Guest_Jim_*: it's 437 years old and houses 40 million

1:57 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I hear it in my head as a monologue by the main character, telling the reader/player

1:57 AM - Guest_Jim_*: at the end of it he will introduve himself I think

1:57 AM - Deathmineral: sounds pretty good

1:58 AM - Deathmineral: why 6?

1:58 AM - Guest_Jim_*: why not?

1:58 AM - Deathmineral: no reason to not, just curious

1:58 AM - Guest_Jim_*: just sounded good in my head

1:58 AM - Guest_Jim_*: and sphere 7 seemed to rhyme too much

1:59 AM - Deathmineral: I thought it might have been a reference to Stage6

1:59 AM - Guest_Jim_*: don't think so since I'm not aware of Stage6

2:00 AM - Deathmineral: Stage6 was a youtube like site that was around years ago and attempted to push the HD streaming standard as well as denying copyright claims

2:00 AM - Deathmineral: obviously it failed as it's no longer around but it was pretty admirable at the time

2:00 AM - Guest_Jim_*: why is Steam saying I need to apply an update from August 1st?

2:00 AM - Deathmineral: beats me

2:01 AM - Deathmineral: I'm going to see if i can't think up some more names

2:03 AM - Deathmineral: what do you think of Isis for the inner sister's name?

2:03 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Arca and Isis... I like it

2:04 AM - Guest_Jim_*: there's a certain opposite-ness to them that I like

2:04 AM - Deathmineral: ya that's what I was thinking

2:04 AM - Deathmineral: they come of kind of opposing but also symmetrical as well I think

2:04 AM - Guest_Jim_*: yeah

2:05 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I'm thinking maybe we should have two reveals with Arca

2:05 AM - Guest_Jim_*: ever played Starsiege?

2:05 AM - Deathmineral: nope

2:06 AM - Guest_Jim_*: in it one of the major leaders of the rebels was actually the greatest knight of the empire, and the brother of their champion during the game

2:06 AM - Guest_Jim_*: thinking I may need to employ something similar, where Arca somehow hides the fact she is Isis' sister

2:07 AM - Guest_Jim_*: otherwise it seems odd that the sisters would lead both sides, at least to me

2:08 AM - Deathmineral: can't say I lean either way with it

2:08 AM - Deathmineral: I think it works fine either way, the twist would be interesting but the idea of two sister warring is also pretty interesting

2:09 AM - Guest_Jim_*: something as simple as Arca enjoys fighting her sister, and decides to help the Outers in their fight, but then identifies with them and it becomes more than just a private feud between her and Isis

2:09 AM - Guest_Jim_*: something for her to really fight for; something worth risking defeat for, just for the hope of winning

2:10 AM - Guest_Jim_*: you do realize we've worked out almost the complete plot to a story in the past 2.5 hours, right?

2:10 AM - Guest_Jim_*: haven't got an ending yet, but that will come

2:11 AM - Deathmineral: I think an ending will be kind of tricky unless we go with something obvious anyway

2:11 AM - Guest_Jim_*: could be the destruction of the sphere

2:11 AM - Guest_Jim_*: think that would be best, personally

2:12 AM - Deathmineral: to me it almost feels like there has to be a specific ending for a family feud kind of thing like this and that kind of worries me because I'm not a big fan of formulaic storytelling like that

2:13 AM - Guest_Jim_*: yeah, I know what you mean: Arca, younger sister, always things Isis is trying to control her, so she rebels

2:13 AM - Deathmineral: lol how about for the player character name... Duke :D

2:13 AM - Guest_Jim_*: ends up identifying with a real rebellion and overthrows Isis and proves herself better

2:13 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Duke?

2:13 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I'm not sure cousin Randy will like that

2:14 AM - Deathmineral: well you lost me with that lol

2:14 AM - Guest_Jim_*: He's not really my cousin, but the President of Gearbox has the same last name as me

2:15 AM - Deathmineral: lol

2:15 AM - Guest_Jim_*: besides, Arca and Isis seem really good to me and Duke kind of pulls me out of that

2:16 AM - Deathmineral: ya Duke wasn't a real suggestion, just me showing some fanboyism for Duke Nukem

2:16 AM - Deathmineral: part of me really does like the idea of giving him a really normal or generic name though

2:17 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Gordan?

2:17 AM - Guest_Jim_*: oh wait, we'll need a crowbar then

2:17 AM - Deathmineral: just to offer some balance or even irony to the fact that the sisters have some really interesting names but your character is just plain old boring (insert generic name here)

2:18 AM - Deathmineral: for whatever reason I have more trouble with naming a male character than a female character

2:18 AM - Deathmineral: that's why I hope for daughters if I ever have kids, because names might be the only thing I get right lol

2:20 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I'd probably pull a Seven Brides for Seven Brothers thing and go alphabetical

2:20 AM - Guest_Jim_*: although I would have fun teesing my future wife with wanting to name a daughter Constants instead of Constance

2:20 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I'm a science guy, in case you forgot

2:21 AM - Deathmineral: lol

2:21 AM - Deathmineral: no I have not :P

2:21 AM - Deathmineral: part of me wants to try and find something that fits her name well

2:22 AM - Deathmineral: something to match Arca would be good

2:22 AM - Deathmineral: especially if we decide to give them an intimate or romantic relationshop

2:23 AM - Deathmineral: lol I backspaced like 20 times there and still screwed up

2:23 AM - Deathmineral: I can't type very well lately for something reason

2:23 AM - Deathmineral: maybe I need to get one of those mechanical keyboards lol

2:24 AM - Guest_Jim_*: you're also spelling the wrong words, so I'm not sure a new keyboard would help

2:24 AM - Deathmineral: wrong words?

2:24 AM - Guest_Jim_*: "I can't type very well lately for something reason" not something, just some

2:25 AM - Deathmineral: oh lol

2:25 AM - Deathmineral: ya I do that sometimes

2:25 AM - Deathmineral: sometimes I forget words entirely even lol

2:26 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I'll switch trains of thought mid sentence sometime

2:26 AM - Deathmineral: what do you think of the name Quincy for him?

2:26 AM - Deathmineral: I kind of like it but it doesn't feel right either

2:26 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Quincy is a doctor

2:26 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I like the Qu sound at the beginning though

2:26 AM - Guest_Jim_*: but the cy sound at the end kind of ruins it for me

2:27 AM - Deathmineral: what do you think of Quinn?

2:27 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Jonas

2:27 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Stargate SG-1 character

2:27 AM - Deathmineral: wait no, fuck quinn, that reminds me of Sealab 2021 and I hate having that lol

2:29 AM - Deathmineral: what do you think of Ivan?

2:29 AM - Guest_Jim_*: too close to Isis

2:30 AM - Guest_Jim_*: unless we make it douchy and be Evon

2:30 AM - Deathmineral: nah, Evon would be weird

2:30 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Quint

2:31 AM - Deathmineral: nah, that's even closer to sealab

2:31 AM - Guest_Jim_*: pronounced like Kint

2:31 AM - Guest_Jim_*: could make it a K then, couldn't I?

2:32 AM - Deathmineral: kind of makes you think of superman

2:32 AM - Deathmineral: Kent Clark lol

2:32 AM - Deathmineral: I think that was his name anyway

2:32 AM - Guest_Jim_*: can't, I'm already too close to that in something else

2:32 AM - Guest_Jim_*: and it's Clark Kent, unless you were just putting his last name first, then you're right

2:33 AM - Deathmineral: how about Saine?

2:33 AM - Guest_Jim_*: like sane, as in not insane?

2:34 AM - Deathmineral: well not really

2:34 AM - Deathmineral: just Saine

2:34 AM - Deathmineral: as a name

2:34 AM - Deathmineral: no special meaning really

2:34 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I meant how it's pronounced

2:34 AM - Deathmineral: oh ya

2:34 AM - Guest_Jim_*: don't need a hidden meaning

2:36 AM - Deathmineral: I kind of like Saine, I think it sounds good with Arca

2:37 AM - Deathmineral: lol what do you think of Gin?

2:37 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Stargate Universe character: SHE got her neck broke

2:37 AM - Deathmineral: lol

2:38 AM - Deathmineral: I thought of the alcoholic beverage myself but okay

2:38 AM - Guest_Jim_*: don't drink

2:38 AM - Deathmineral: neither do I

2:39 AM - Guest_Jim_*: how old are you? I'm thinking 19

2:39 AM - Deathmineral: I just thought about what would be a good name if it were related to drinking

2:39 AM - Deathmineral: and ya, I'm 19

2:39 AM - Deathmineral: what made you guess that?

2:39 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I think you've said it somewhere before

2:39 AM - Guest_Jim_*: and I've got a weird memory for things

2:39 AM - Deathmineral: lol

2:39 AM - Deathmineral: I see

2:40 AM - Deathmineral: oh ok, I have an idea

2:40 AM - Deathmineral: what's your favorite letter?

2:40 AM - Guest_Jim_*: don't have one (sorry)

2:40 AM - Guest_Jim_*: were you thinking of pulling a Kodak?

2:40 AM - Deathmineral: Kodak?

2:41 AM - Guest_Jim_*: (Kodak is assembled of letters from the creator's life, and his favorite letter was K)

2:41 AM - Deathmineral: oh

2:41 AM - Deathmineral: not quite

2:41 AM - Deathmineral: I was just needing a random letter and I would use that to assist in my search for names

2:42 AM - Deathmineral: so I guess I will just use K lol

2:43 AM - Deathmineral: what do you think of Knox?

2:43 AM - Guest_Jim_*: like "Secret Armory of General Knoxx," or "Fort Knox"

2:44 AM - Deathmineral: ya

2:44 AM - Deathmineral: oh I just thought of an interesting one

2:44 AM - Deathmineral: Orly

2:45 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I think it should start with a consonant (not that Orly is bad or anything, just as a distinction from Arca and Isis)

2:47 AM - Deathmineral: Damarion?

2:47 AM - Guest_Jim_*: maybe as a full name, but referred to by something shorter

2:47 AM - Guest_Jim_*: unfortunately shorter would be Dam

2:48 AM - Deathmineral: or Rion

2:48 AM - Guest_Jim_*: then why not just name him Rion

2:48 AM - Deathmineral: well because part of my wants to break the short name thing

2:49 AM - Deathmineral: everyone in the game has a 4 letter name lol

2:49 AM - Guest_Jim_*: but if we make them all four letters then we can have two NPC's in game named s*/& and f$%^

2:50 AM - Deathmineral: lol

2:50 AM - Deathmineral: don't forget Dick

2:50 AM - Deathmineral: that's a normal name anyway lol

2:50 AM - Guest_Jim_*: yeah, normal enough for my dad

2:51 AM - Deathmineral: how about Dermot?

2:51 AM - Deathmineral: you can call him Der for short

2:51 AM - Guest_Jim_*: there'd have to be a Derp joke somewhere

2:51 AM - Deathmineral: and then he can have a rough childhood story where everyone makes fun of him for being derpy

2:52 AM - Deathmineral: that's how real underdogs do ti :P

2:52 AM - Guest_Jim_*: could have him in that bar about to blow telling about the scars he's gotten from fights over that

2:53 AM - Deathmineral: you're really hung up on that bar huh?

2:53 AM - Guest_Jim_*: why not?

2:53 AM - Guest_Jim_*: honestly, I can fit the bar right into the first chapter, beautifully

2:54 AM - Deathmineral: like you're the Da Vinci of bar tales :P

2:55 AM - Guest_Jim_*: it's taken me three hours to write a 372 word prologue because I've been chatting with you and bp9801

2:56 AM - Deathmineral: part of me really likes Dermot, and the derp backstory, but I'm not entirely sure I want to get that involved in the game

2:56 AM - Deathmineral: kind of want to keep it all very current

2:56 AM - Guest_Jim_*: could make that his last name, so I can have fun with it and use his first name for the game

2:57 AM - Guest_Jim_*: how about Kol, pronounced like Coal?

2:57 AM - Deathmineral: so Kol Dermot?

2:57 AM - Guest_Jim_*: yup, but to the game he's just Kol

2:58 AM - Deathmineral: I like that

2:58 AM - Deathmineral: I like it a lot

2:58 AM - Guest_Jim_*: perfect!

2:58 AM - Deathmineral: they sound good together and Arca and Kol sound good together I think

2:59 AM - Guest_Jim_*: I just need to make a note about what Chapter 1 should include, copy this chat log to a text file, and then I can go to bed

3:00 AM - Deathmineral: I think maybe we could do that derp scars bar thing in the game actually, it would help define him a little bit better in the sense of him enjoying fighting or something

3:00 AM - Guest_Jim_*: opening cinematic or tutorial moment I'm thinking

3:00 AM - Guest_Jim_*: here's my plan for Chapter 1

3:01 AM - Guest_Jim_*: he's in a bar, slightly drunk, showing off scars to the ladies

3:02 AM - Guest_Jim_*: one of them is interested (wink, wink) and he leaves to get the car/vehicle and she stops off in the restroom before leaving the bar, so they aren't leaving together

3:02 AM - Guest_Jim_*: while he's outside is when it explodes, so he's safe

3:02 AM - Guest_Jim_*: the explosion ignnites the wars between the layers

3:02 AM - Guest_Jim_*: and we get chapter 2

3:02 AM - Guest_Jim_*: that one's not planned yet

3:03 AM - Deathmineral: I like it but

3:03 AM - Deathmineral: how does the bar explosion end up equating to them accusing the outers of it?

3:03 AM - Guest_Jim_*: it's an outer's bar and they acuse the inners

3:04 AM - Guest_Jim_*: thinking the bar could have been housing people wanting to fight a war, so this appears to be an attack on them

3:04 AM - Guest_Jim_*: could, in story reality, just be a gas explosion though, or some other kind of accident

3:04 AM - Guest_Jim_*: still, Remember the Maine!

3:05 AM - Deathmineral: I don't know, seems like they would have to have more reason than that to go to war, plus wouldn't there be investigators that figure out the cause of the explosion?

3:08 AM - Guest_Jim_*: there's already a hatred and distrust between the two groups (covered in prologue some) and if the friends of the people wanting to fight for equality know they died in it, they will immediately blame the inners, out of their hate. Doesn't matter if the investigators find out the actual reason if the war has already started

3:08 AM - Guest_Jim_*: it's not like they could say, "Oh sorry, this all started over some accident. Let's go home."

3:09 AM - Deathmineral: ya I guess that works

3:09 AM - Deathmineral: the worst part about this while thing...

3:09 AM - Deathmineral: we've created a story for this game and we don't even know if we can use it or if there will even be a SP lol

3:10 AM - Guest_Jim_*: hmm

3:10 AM - Guest_Jim_*: simple solution

3:10 AM - Guest_Jim_*: make a great MP game that gets a real developer and publisher interested, then make the SP with them, along with a reboot of the MP

3:11 AM - Guest_Jim_*: or I write a great book and the actual game makers decide to make a SP game without needing the MP game to convince them

3:12 AM - Deathmineral: you really aim high lol

3:12 AM - Guest_Jim_*: bettter than planning on a mediocre book and game

3:12 AM - Deathmineral: I guess so

3:14 AM - Deathmineral: so you going to make a post about this on the thread or going to wait until you have more of the story going?

3:14 AM - Guest_Jim_*: depends on how I feel tomorrow

3:14 AM - Guest_Jim_*: if I feel like I can easily put down at least chapter 1, I'll do that first

3:15 AM - Guest_Jim_*: if I don't feel like that then I'll post about our ideas; probably this whole chat and my current prologue

3:16 AM - Guest_Jim_*: worst case scenario is they hate our ideas and I decide not to write the book

3:16 AM - Guest_Jim_*: slightly better version is I write the book anyway

3:16 AM - Deathmineral: lol

3:16 AM - Deathmineral: I think they'll like it, I think we really have something going for a story

3:17 AM - Guest_Jim_*: what I'm more worried about is if the enivronments can be modelled correctly

3:17 AM - Deathmineral: honestly, what we did over the past few hours, that's what I had hoped would happen earlier tonight on the IRC but no, they just decided a game genre and left lol

3:17 AM - Guest_Jim_*: still, the gravity could just be lowered I guess

3:19 AM - Deathmineral: I guess we'll see, I'm guessing whoever will be doing the maps will be able to tell us if the sphere is possible

3:20 AM - Guest_Jim_*: Oh, it's possible by just having it drawn in, like in, at least, Halo Reach

3:20 AM - Guest_Jim_*: everywhere playable is still flat

3:21 AM - Guest_Jim_*: heading to bed now

3:21 AM - Deathmineral: good night :D

 

 

 

Prologue:

 

Hello and welcome to Sphere Six. Built four hundred thirty-seven years ago around a white dwarf and now occupied by over forty million people; half on the inside and half on the outside. It’s easy enough to travel from the inside to the outside, but few do anymore. Everyone found their place and stuck there. Those living on the outside of Sphere rely on suits, sealed vehicles, or walkways to go anywhere. The light gravity holds some atmosphere, enough for relaxed breathing, but most wouldn’t run in it. The real need for the suits is the temperature. The only heat outside comes from the furnaces we’ve built and it doesn’t last long outside our homes. Beneath us, inside the structure of Sphere, is where you can find the largest markets and hospitals, for easy access by the Outers and the Inners. The better markets and hospitals are on the inner surface. Inners have just about everything better with their limitless energy supply. They always have the power to build, and if they can’t find the resources they will construct force fields to support thinner walls. Every watt that can be captured by the Sub-Sphere Satellite is. The inner surface of Sphere may be able to survive the unrelenting energy but nothing living on it could. The Builders, or ancestors, constructed the Sub-Sphere Satellite around the star to block half of the radiation, bathing half of the Inners in night. The satellite filters out the harmful radiation for the Inner’s enjoying day time. Whatever is blocked is collected and beamed to the inner surface for use.

It truly is an efficient system we have with every need met or easily adapted to. Too bad the people are not so efficient. Given a clear distinction and a difference in lifestyle, the diversity becomes dissimilarity, then disparity, and ultimately discrimination. Maybe the hatred exists for a reason and maybe it doesn’t; at the point that I’m telling you this, it really doesn’t matter anymore. No doubt you are interested in the story, so I should probably get to telling you that. I think a good start would be an introduction; my name is Kol Dermot and this is the latest story of my home, Sphere Six.

 

 

As I stated in the chat, I may explore the story on my own, even if you decide it isn't useable for the game.

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I like the idea Jim. But the intro doesn't really hook me. Its needs to intrigue and then dump you, force you to play the game to learn more.

Death if you want to chat website i will be on until 6:40 ish.

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Ok, I´ve been thinking the whole day now about how we can get this thing rolling. Call me a noob, say I´m stupid, but here we go:

 

 

Programming, especially gameprogramming; is hard work and one of the most complex subjects ever.

 

 

That`s why:

 

 

1. We need departments established within our little "V.O.C.G.D.P.C." ("virtual open community game development project company").

The vacant positions are listed on http://letscreateagame.com/jobs.html

 

 

2: Our communication with each other and our actual work process has to be somehow transparent and documented for everybody participating.

If it`s not, new members or beginners who join the project in order to benefit and contribute, are possibly going to be frustrated

and are going to quit.

 

 

3: Folks, I tell you this right here and now at the beginning: if we don`t have a plan for this and just keep on collecting and keep

adding tons and tons of information---->chaos

Honestly speaking: The perfect website, the perfect project for noobies like myself isn`t another archive with links to another 1000

tutorials. If I need that, I use google or watch utubetutorials. I´m looking for a workshop via internet. Period. LET`S GET IT ON.

 

 

 

I could leave it like that, but there`s this idea for the letscreateagame.com website...

 

I don`t know how many active members there will be in some months, but just in case there`ll be, let`s say, 25+, why not add some sort

of "currency", or "budget" system for our members? The basic idea is that you start out with zero funds, then start collecting funds,

achievements, awards etc.. through your dedication to this project, progress in our hierarchy and take more and more responsibility.

That could be fun and be some sort of badge. This may seem overambitious and useless at first, but I really think it would be helpful.

It would help to organize and motivate within the community.

I admit, it`s a bit early to discuss topics like that, but this is how things work online. One might argue that this is way too much

bureaucracy for such a small project, but who knows what happens next?

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Ok, I´ve been thinking the whole day now about how we can get this thing rolling. Call me a noob, say I´m stupid, but here we go:

 

 

Programming, especially gameprogramming; is hard work and one of the most complex subjects ever.

 

 

That`s why:

 

 

1. We need departments established within our little "V.O.C.G.D.P.C." ("virtual open community game development project company").

The vacant positions are listed on http://letscreateagame.com/jobs.html

 

 

2: Our communication with each other and our actual work process has to be somehow transparent and documented for everybody participating.

If it`s not, new members or beginners who join the project in order to benefit and contribute, are possibly going to be frustrated

and are going to quit.

 

 

3: Folks, I tell you this right here and now at the beginning: if we don`t have a plan for this and just keep on collecting and keep

adding tons and tons of information---->chaos

Honestly speaking: The perfect website, the perfect project for noobies like myself isn`t another archive with links to another 1000

tutorials. If I need that, I use google or watch utubetutorials. I´m looking for a workshop via internet. Period. LET`S GET IT ON.

 

 

 

I could leave it like that, but there`s this idea for the letscreateagame.com website...

 

I don`t know how many active members there will be in some months, but just in case there`ll be, let`s say, 25+, why not add some sort

of "currency", or "budget" system for our members? The basic idea is that you start out with zero funds, then start collecting funds,

achievements, awards etc.. through your dedication to this project, progress in our hierarchy and take more and more responsibility.

That could be fun and be some sort of badge. This may seem overambitious and useless at first, but I really think it would be helpful.

It would help to organize and motivate within the community.

I admit, it`s a bit early to discuss topics like that, but this is how things work online. One might argue that this is way too much

bureaucracy for such a small project, but who knows what happens next?

I agree with your first point, I think it's a good idea to get positions down soon. I don't know if your acronym is quite accurate, I don't think this would be called a company, a company is more about making something for profit I think. I don't think we need an acronym or anything like that anyway, we're really just a group of people that want to make a game together, nothing fancy. Maybe we should just come up with a name for the group though.

 

I agree with your second point as well, and I think that's why we could use a cool down period right now. Our communication is a little out of sorts at the moment but I think we can get that sorted out with a little patience and then get going on the project.

 

My idea for what we should work on at this time is getting the people that want to work on the website, and once we have that group figured out, they can work together more easily, and the website will probably get set up faster. This means we can setup the forums, and IRC of our own, maybe a PM system even, most importantly I think we need the forums. So I'm basically just repeating what bluecow has said already but he's right, setting up a website to allow us to work together better should be the focus right now I think.

 

I don't think we have to worry too much about point three just yet, I know some of us are very eager to get things going and we're already coming up with ideas, Jim and I already spent 3 or so hours discussing a story for the game and we don't even know if there is room for a story, but we'll figure that out once we can all communicate a little better so it's not a big deal if we have too much information floating around right now.

 

I'm the same as you though, I'm definitely eager to get this going and see what we can accomplish but due to time constraints between members of the group and in each of our lives it's going to be a little slow. It might pick up speed as we go along though, as we make progress I think each of us will be more interested, more passionate, and might even make more time for it, I think it will be fine really.

 

As for the points program, I guess I will leave that up to everyone else really, I've never really been the type to be motivated by points or stickers, if I were I would have done much better in school I think. :lol: So that's fine whatever people want for that idea it won't bother me either way.

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Okay, i will be working on forums tomorrow evening, hold your horses till then.

Points system? You will have to wait. Not a priority.

My priorities for the site are as follows.


  1.  
  2. Forum
  3. IRC
  4. Wiki style thing(for decided info to save forum trawling)
     

I hope to have all this rolling by next Wednesday. Forum by tomorrow midnight.

I agree with those who suggested we need a GDD and TDD we need those to keep us on a target. They can be changed regularly for all it matters but a goal is important. Once we have a goal we can set a schedule to achieve it and delegate roles.

 

On the forum it will for the time being be a closed system, so if you want in you will have to await my approval of your registration in order to access the board.

 

EDIT: Just set up a forum on my local host, easy as pie, only i need to figure out our email services before the server will work properly. So tomorrow night it will be up. Lord willing and the creek dont rise. :fp:

Edited by SpeedCrazy

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This is really cool guys. I've been read every chat log so far haha and I'm not even involved w/ the project :D

 

I wish I had some experience w/ game design, I would be all over this. Anyways, keep it up guys I hope this project really takes off

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This is really cool guys. I've been read every chat log so far haha and I'm not even involved w/ the project :D

 

I wish I had some experience w/ game design, I would be all over this. Anyways, keep it up guys I hope this project really takes off

Well that's probably the best thing about this project, you don't really need any experience, just passion. :D

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Barkley's Shut up and Jam: Arena.

 

And FPS mod that takes place in the post-cyber-a apocalyptic steam punk future.

 

Get dunked.

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Well that's probably the best thing about this project, you don't really need any experience, just passion. :D

 

haha yea :D

 

I have a Wacom Bamboo tablet (if that would even be useful) and can get a hold of any program I would need so if you all need any more help I'm willing

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just a quick update, speedcrazy is getting the forums to come alive, second up i've talked to nvidia_freak which has been a ongoing help to get this off the ground. hopefully in the next few days alot of things will not be so grey. so just hold your breath a little longer (or until you turn blue). once again if you have some dying need to speak to me, just send e PM but otherwise you will know when everyone else knows and so on.

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How have I not seen this????? Btw, I am almost done my degree in Audio production Tech. I haven't really done much sound design, but I might be able to help out a bit as needed. I've done a bit of composing, but not much.

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