power_overwhelming_ Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 (edited) Hi guys, well I have been an amd user for as long they have been around but after a Bios update messed up my mobo today I need a new mobo, cpu, and ram. I curently have a epox 8kha+ mobo and a athlon 1700+(oc'd to 2000+) XP so upgrading was on my mind anyway but I was going to wait for the new chips form intel to come out. But now as im compless not counting my laptop that Im typing this on I need a pc quick. Question is should I get a p4 3ghz, ABIT IC7-MAX3, Corsair pc4000 twinx, Radeon 9800 pro(just got this card)... basicly top of the line pc or should I wait a little for the new offerings form intel and get by with a chap athlon(like a 2400+) setup? now the questions regarding overclocking as im quite new to this aspect of pc's: If I get a athlon what procesor and mobo combo should I get if im to hit 3000+ after oc'ing it? From what I understand the new mobos unlock athlon cpu multiplyers automaticly and the p4 cant be unlocked at all right? For colling I'm going to be useing a volcano 11 air coller. Thanks all. Edited January 2, 2004 by power_overwhelming_ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
char1ie Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 (edited) go with something cheap, like a barton 2500, they are only 90 at newegg.com. I say this because Intel is supposedly coming out with a bunch of new CPU's and an entirely new formfactor and PCI-express. It is supposed to come out 2nd quarter 2004, and with PCI express for graphics that is when ATI and Nvidia are releasing their new chipsets and such. And the Barton can easily get to 200 x 11 for 2.2 ghz and 3000+ like performance with sufficient cooling. go with an asus board or the abit nf7 (i think thats its name) as they are the top two choices right there. And if your proc does come locked you can get a speedstripe from frozencpu.com and your problem will be solved. Edited January 2, 2004 by char1ie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazwegion Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 From what I understand the new mobos unlock athlon cpu multiplyers automaticly and the p4 cant be unlocked at all right? Well your right Intel's have a locked multiplier (Intel got onto this way before AMD)... however, you can still get a 'decent OC' using fsb settings As to your question re: P4 vs. cheap XP 2400+.... do you really need/want bleeding edge tech? Intel's have been thought of as 'robust multitaskers' and AMD as 'excellent' Game/Graphics platforms... though the performance difference is much less, than once was... so what do you use your PC for? Also if you don't buy a bleeding edge processor the money can be re-directed to other peripheral devices/software... get 'that' 3.0G+ later Just a thought Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMD man Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 id proabably go with the cheep amd system already suggested and then when the intel chips come out see how the measure up against the athln64fx, theyl probably be much better, but you never know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agallion Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 2.2gh is 3200+ there bud not 3000+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Costanza Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 I made the switch to the darkside 3 weeks ago and its actually pretty bright over here I was an AMD fan for year's like yourself but i got fed up of seeing AMD's always outpaced by P4's in benchmarks. I got a P4 2.8C and its oc'd to 3.5, i can go higher but i want to get better cooling first. I do not regret my decision to switch, as far as i can tell AMD are going down the pan and are desperate to keep pace with Intel. Everyday i hear of more and more people making the switch and i can see why. P4's run cooler and are faster, plain and simple. All this nonsense about 2800, 3200 etc is exactly that, nonsense. Go with P4 mate, you wont regret it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva_Unit_0 Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 I made the switch to the darkside 3 weeks ago and its actually pretty bright over here I was an AMD fan for year's like yourself but i got fed up of seeing AMD's always outpaced by P4's in benchmarks. I got a P4 2.8C and its oc'd to 3.5, i can go higher but i want to get better cooling first. I do not regret my decision to switch, as far as i can tell AMD are going down the pan and are desperate to keep pace with Intel. Everyday i hear of more and more people making the switch and i can see why. P4's run cooler and are faster, plain and simple. All this nonsense about 2800, 3200 etc is exactly that, nonsense. Go with P4 mate, you wont regret it. AMD desparate to keep up with intel? Excuse me, but who has the 64-bit desktop processor? It may not seem like a big deal right now, but when 64-bit windows is released next year it will be Intel trying to play catch-up. I'm not trying to start a flame war...I'm just simply saying that the athlon xp vs. pentium 4 war is essentially over...what matters now is athlon 64 vs. prescott. Oh wait, intel hasn't even released prescott yet because they're having problems with it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 um amd is not desperate... i would have gota a amd 64.. but.. when i got my comp.. they didnt sell any of those processors where i lived. and i dont like buying online.. well. oh well. crap happens.. i still wish i got a amd 64 insead of my p4 ghz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Smith Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 The only reason amd has an official 64 bit cpu out and intel really doesn't is that Microsoft decided to go with AMD's 64 bit platform and that put Intel back a couple months. That is why Intel was sueing microsoft. 32 bit platform Intel still leads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Costanza Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 Well that's simply my opinion. The P4 is still faster than the amd64. And the fact that there isnt going to be a 64 bit OS for 2 years at least doesnt look too good for amd. Which is why i said they're desperate to keep up. Even when longhorn is released, there arent gonna be many (if any) 64 bit apps for it. So Intel have plenty of time to sort out the niggles with the Prescott before Longhorn is introduced. As far as im concerned, amd is in debt and are trying everything to get out of the hole they're in, but let's look at the truth here. The P4 is still the fastest and Intel have more in the pipeline at the minute and no average user is able to take advantage of a 64 bit processor at the min and when they are able to, Intel are gonna have their's ready. I'd still recommend Intel for performance, but hey, we all have our own opinions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
char1ie Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 (edited) 2.2gh is 3200+ there bud not 3000+ well 3200 is greater than 3000 so 3200 is 3000+ plus the 3200 barely beats a 3.0 ghz intel and should be named accordingly, because it definetly does not compete with an intel 3.2c. HOWEVER the athlon 64's are the best there is out there. Edited January 2, 2004 by char1ie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted January 2, 2004 Posted January 2, 2004 2.2GHz, 400MHz FSB is the speed of the Athlon XP 3200+ "AMD claims that the PR Rating figures are based on a comparison with its own existing microprocessors" http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=1207 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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