redtigerdragon Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 So the leader of scientology compared the wikipedia ban to jewish people having to wear a yellow star during WWII. Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycho_terror Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 one of these days i'm going to town in a guy fawks mask... i don't understand how people don't see what a bunch of BS scientology is. miscavige's statement is so full of it that it's not even worth calling him on specific lies, the whole thing is a complete joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xlrwrite Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 That's is a riot! "... just a way to force Scientology parishioners into an undesired beingness. What's next, will Scientologists have to wear yellow, six-pointed stars on our clothing?" No, I'm thinking dunce caps should be sufficient. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verran Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I think he might be being a bit dramatic in comparing Wikipedia censorship to the treatment of Jewish folk in WW2. Having said that, I absolutely adore following comments on Scientology related topics. It's really some of the best unadulterated hypocrisy available these days. Inevitably you'll see people bash it for being a weird creepy cult or a money-centric pyramid scheme. The beauty is, of course, that they're right... but then again how is that not true of any other major religion? People always say "Scientology isn't a real religion because X", but X is invariably also true of all other major religions, it just happened longer ago. Psycho_terror said this: i don't understand how people don't see what a bunch of BS scientology is. but I'll do one better. I don't understand how people don't see what a bunch of BS any organized religion is. I mean I don't see how the story of Xenu is any less believable than a man-made ark that carried two of every creature on earth or a talking snake in a tree. Objectively viewed, just about any religious creation story is pretty far-fetched. I think Scientology is a cult, it is a scam, and it is extraordinarily illogical, but to me those don't exactly differentiate it from other organized religions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GabrielT Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 Go Verran you voiced my opinion without me having to express myself, thanks. I don't know I guess whatever gives a person something to believe in is good enough for me but people have to understand when any religion is looked at from a logical perspective they begin to look ludicrous and unbelievable. As far as them getting banned from Wiki, well I'm sure it sucks but seriously, get over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycho_terror Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 ...to me those don't exactly differentiate it from other organized religions. most organised religions are built around the idea of faith, the interpretation of god and of life etc. but scientology started with the idea of making money, and built around that. i believe religion is a positive thing for some people, however when it takes more from people than it gives them, something is majorly wrong. i have to ask - if a friend of yours converted to scientology would you not be a lot more worried than if he became a christian? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocre Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 No, I'm thinking dunce caps should be sufficient. Dunce caps would turn into a raciest thing! How about aluminum foil caps, Ha Anyway, their "base" ip's got banned from editing wiki. Thats all. They werent just innocently editing their Scientology wiki either! They are acting like "OMG!, I can not believe they banned the Scientology crew from invading wiki and change history! Wait i mean uhm, this is a shame we asre victors, i mean victims....." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCrYsIs Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I don't need to say anything just watch this: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocre Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I don't need to say anything just watch this: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ I watched the one with the eye and when it zoomed ou to the city i really started think of playn GTA4. Man I dont think i got it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCrYsIs Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I watched the one with the eye and when it zoomed ou to the city i really started think of playn GTA4. Man I dont think i got it! I think the first part about religion is right on. The conspiracy stuff with 9/11 is way off IMO. Than the third part about the financial system and world leaders IMO is sad to say probably not far from the truth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verran Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 i have to ask - if a friend of yours converted to scientology would you not be a lot more worried than if he became a christian? I would certainly be more concerned about a friend becoming a Scientologist than a Christian. Absolutely. But just because Christianity is less crazy than Scientology doesn't mean Christianity isn't crazy. As far as Scientology being about money, maybe so but it isn't outwardly so. It's inferred and I think it's a pretty safe assumption but again, look at the money that Christian churches bring in. I don't think you'd have to wander around the Vatican for too long before you found a gold-plated toilet or some other ridiculous thing that convinced you churches bring in a boatload of (tax free!) money. You could say Christianity is about the faith but it's also very much about control and has been for a long time. Look back at the kings who would blatantly modify the Bible or make new Christian divisions just to get around the rules. That's not faith. Look back to the third century-ish when they fudged the Christian beliefs to fit more closely with the Pagan holidays and rituals to make it easier to convert them. That's not faith. And if it gets you through your day, fine. Your religion is your deal, do what you want. Just be honest about what it is and what it isn't. The only thing different about Scientology is that it's newer and it hasn't been grandfathered in. The old stuff's been around for so long that it's ingrained into our culture and we're too scared to look at it objectively, but if you did you'd realize it's not really any different. If you'd never heard of Christianity before... if your parents hadn't pumped it into your head when it was still soft... and it popped up today, you'd think it was crazy and you'd mock it incessantly. You wouldn't live your life by it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycho_terror Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 You could say Christianity is about the faith but it's also very much about control and has been for a long time. Look back at the kings who would blatantly modify the Bible or make new Christian divisions just to get around the rules. That's not faith. Look back to the third century-ish when they fudged the Christian beliefs to fit more closely with the Pagan holidays and rituals to make it easier to convert them. That's not faith. very true, however christianity is well established now so there's much less coercion required in order to convert people. what remains of it today is for the most part a relatively passive association which benefits both parties. scientology is not well established as a religion and so is forced to rely on trickery and misinformation to recruit new members. i could go on about why scientology is generally a bad thing, but i'm preaching to the converted. the fact that this is happening now is what makes it so important. if so inclined we could actually be out actively preventing this thing from getting bigger than it already is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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