United States Presidential Election 2008

[InCrYsIs]

Well, that's bollocks.

 

 

I'm saying that in respect to alienating voters. He would possibly lose Christian voters or lose some of the ultra liberal voters for taking either side in those topics. Which is why he dodges the topics.

Edited September 8, 2008 by InCrYsIs

[Kash]

Please explain, in detail WITH EXAMPLES....

 

what has Senator Obama accomplished while in public office to show what he stands for.

 

Barack Obama's legislative accomplishments. Note that this only covers the time he spent in office and doesn't count the many years of non-elected public service he did.

 

Let's just elect Obama so we can get the civil war that is necessary to restructuring the federal gov't over with. Sure, McCain will just maintain the status quo, but Obama will f things up so badly trying to undo the war, tax cuts, etc and making a nanny state that we'll be sunk into civil war eventually. Maybe not while he's in office, but sometime. I say we get it over with!

 

Come on now, just go ahead and say what you really feel. I know you think it might be wrong in this politically correct time, but we can tell you're just dying to express your utter hatred for the notion of a black man becoming President. <_<

 

Thats what this country needs. We'll see what people think of Obama when they get their first paycheck after the tax hike. Or when he pushes to take away your guns. I wonder if liberals noticed he is actually against abortion and gay marriage. Two of the liberals most favorite things. I have noticed he dodges those 2 topics like the plague. If he is a Christian by association he can't believe in those things but as a liberal he would almost have to.

 

It really goes to show that Republicans don't listen. It has been stated multiple times that unless you are making over $600,000 a year, you won't get a tax increase! If you're making less than $250,000, you'll in fact get a tax CUT! And the amount you'll be getting back is more than McCain is promising you.

 

Where do you get this nonsense about him being against abortion and gay marriage? He's not anti-choice, all he said was that he wants to see preventative measure put in place to cut down on the number of abortions, not abolish the right to have one like the fundamentalist right wants. He has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood for his support of abortion rights. While it looks like he doesn't support gay marriage, he does support civil unions and believes it to be a state issue. I'm not getting too worked up about this because I think civil unions is what ALL of us need, not just homosexuals. Government shouldn't be sticking its paws into the religious institution of marriage. This should stick with you small government types.

 

For those witnessing this debacle, notice that the Obama supporters have been on the defense as the McCain supporters attack him and his record, yet provide nothing of their own in terms of where McCain stands on the issues. Attacking the other side is all they can do because they don't have anything of substance to offer. You really want a man who can't offer anything besides belittling his opponent to become the next President? The previous Republican candidate did that in 2000 and 2004, you really want to repeat the last eight years?

[InCrYsIs]

Barack Obama's legislative accomplishments. Note that this only covers the time he spent in office and doesn't count the many years of non-elected public service he did.

 

 

 

Come on now, just go ahead and say what you really feel. I know you think it might be wrong in this politically correct time, but we can tell you're just dying to express your utter hatred for the notion of a black man becoming President. <_<

 

 

 

It really goes to show that Republicans don't listen. It has been stated multiple times that unless you are making over $600,000 a year, you won't get a tax increase! If you're making less than $250,000, you'll in fact get a tax CUT! And the amount you'll be getting back is more than McCain is promising you.

 

Where do you get this nonsense about him being against abortion and gay marriage? He's not anti-choice, all he said was that he wants to see preventative measure put in place to cut down on the number of abortions, not abolish the right to have one like the fundamentalist right wants. He has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood for his support of abortion rights. While it looks like he doesn't support gay marriage, he does support civil unions and believes it to be a state issue. I'm not getting too worked up about this because I think civil unions is what ALL of us need, not just homosexuals. Government shouldn't be sticking its paws into the religious institution of marriage. This should stick with you small government types.

 

For those witnessing this debacle, notice that the Obama supporters have been on the defense as the McCain supporters attack him and his record, yet provide nothing of their own in terms of where McCain stands on the issues. Attacking the other side is all they can do because they don't have anything of substance to offer. You really want a man who can't offer anything besides belittling his opponent to become the next President? The previous Republican candidate did that in 2000 and 2004, you really want to repeat the last eight years?

 

And I say he is full of crap. Why does it always have to be racism instead of him being a flat out moron. If anyone is racist he is. I am convinced he hates white people and his wife hates white people more than he does. Not to mention he was a scum bag drug dealer. I have more respect for admitted users. He associated with a racist America hating "priest" and a domestic terrorist who wishes he could have done more to bring down America. I don't care if he's black or yellow or anything else. I care that he is a crumby choice for president. And a dangerous choice too. Oh and lets not forget he comes from Chicago politics. I don't need to elaborate on that. Chicago says it all.

 

By the way who said I'm Republican. I can be an independent or a moderate democrat.

Edited September 8, 2008 by InCrYsIs

[suchuwato]

By the way who said I'm Republican.

 

[94Camaro]

Come on now, just go ahead and say what you really feel. I know you think it might be wrong in this politically correct time, but we can tell you're just dying to express your utter hatred for the notion of a black man becoming President. <_<

Wow. I used to respect your opinion Kash. Not so much now. How do you know I'm not black myself? I'm not, but you're making asinine assumptions simply because I don't like your candidate. I would vote for Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or Alan Keyes for president in a heartbeat because of their positions, not because of race. Your attempts to label anyone who doesn't like Obama as a rascist is pathetic. I think you owe me an apology for such outrageous and offensive statements. I wouldn't vote for Hillary either. Would you like to call me sexist too?

 

I bring up a civil war simply because that is the only way this country will ever manage to cut the strength of the federal gov't. There is no miracle candidate that can simply reverse the bloated gov't. Obama can't do it. McCain can't do it. Ron Paul wouldn't be able to. The reason Obama would bring us closer to civil war is because of his opinions on gun ownership. He was recently quoted as saying "Even if I want to take them away, I don

[InCrYsIs]

Wow. I used to respect your opinion Kash. Not so much now. How do you know I'm not black myself? I'm not, but you're making asinine assumptions simply because I don't like your candidate. I would vote for Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or Alan Keyes for president in a heartbeat because of their positions, not because of race. Your attempts to label anyone who doesn't like Obama as a rascist is pathetic. I think you owe me an apology for such outrageous and offensive statements. I wouldn't vote for Hillary either. Would you like to call me sexist too?

 

I bring up a civil war simply because that is the only way this country will ever manage to cut the strength of the federal gov't. There is no miracle candidate that can simply reverse the bloated gov't. Obama can't do it. McCain can't do it. Ron Paul wouldn't be able to. The reason Obama would bring us closer to civil war is because of his opinions on gun ownership. He was recently quoted as saying "Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said. Sounds to me like he's in favor of a ban despite it's un-Constitutional nature. Should he attempt to take our guns, there will be an uprising.

 

You can't argue with these people. They only here what they want to here. Kash probably thinks Harry Reid coming out saying "He hates John McCain" is okay too. Nice thing to say. Couldn't he have said something else. Democrats fail to realize that they haven't done anything in congress or senate. Clinton is their god. They don't realize that he rode the coat tails of Regan and Bush.

Edited September 8, 2008 by InCrYsIs

[exeter_acres]

Obama is Black? never noticed....

 

might wanna check your facts.. with INDEPENDENT sources.. on who actually sponsored and started those bills... not Senators that added names later.......

[LoArmistead]

Social democrat is not the same as being a socialist.

 

Social democracy = a democratic welfare state that incorporates both capitalist and socialist practices

 

qfF. Though I like how the guy from the UK is the one who stands up to defend your response. You'd think I struck a nerve by calling their little "Social Democratic" bastion a Socialist state. How 'churlish' of me. ^_^

 

The Social Democrat idea spawned from the Socialist tree. That's like saying you are your mother's child but she isn't your mother. I don't mind ya'll supporting Obama's platform, but it is the most liberal, Socialist platform we have seen from a front runner in my lifetime, and probably the lifetimes of most people here on OCC.

 

We've been a social democracy since the 1940s. So you're essentially saying Obama is the same as FDR. Last I checked, FDR's policies turned out pretty well for this country. I know, taxes have gone up and the size and scope of government has increased exponentially since then. But reversing those trends isn't what the Republican party is about anymore. Both parties are now about big government. One just likes to tax its citizens to pay for the big government, the other borrows from other countries and lets the Democrats come in and fix it later.

 

Yes. I am saying Obama is very similar to FDR. I don't know where you've been checking, but FDR's unconstitutional policies prolonged the depression and led us into the rut we are in today with the Socialist programs he started. Once you start those programs, they can't be stopped. Once government grows, it can't be shrunk. The world war got us out of the depression. Not FDR. The days of low intervention, small government America are gone for good. I'm just doing my patriotic duty to keep it growing as slow as possible. And right now the slowest growth candidate who has any chance of winning is, unfortunately, John McCain.

[LoArmistead]

How do you know I'm not black myself?

 

Because the Camaro in your signature ain't got Dubz

 

I'm not, but you're making asinine assumptions simply because I don't like your candidate. I would vote for Colin Powell, Condi Rice, or Alan Keyes for president in a heartbeat because of their positions, not because of race.

 

I wonder why the media wasn't going batshit crazy when Alan Keyes was running for the Republican ticket 10 years ago? Because he's a Republican. I would vote for Alan Keyes any day of the week.

 

It really goes to show that Republicans don't listen. It has been stated multiple times that unless you are making over $600,000 a year, you won't get a tax increase! If you're making less than $250,000, you'll in fact get a tax CUT! And the amount you'll be getting back is more than McCain is promising you.

 

Conservatives are perfectly aware of this. They are listening, but what you and your Democratic friends don't understand is that Conservatives reject that idea. You see nothing wrong with it because your ideology is that of identity politics. Rich vs poor, black vs white, and you are OK with those earning under some arbitrary amount being taxed X while those earning over some other arbitrary amount are taxed Y. You like it because it plays a vast majority of Americans (those earning under X) against a small, very wealthy minority (those earning greater than Y). It's that mentality that created the income tax in the first place - "Oh, please ratify this, it will only be a 1% tax on the wealthiest of Americans! You, the masses, have nothing to worry about!" - And look what our tax code has turned into . We understand it completely, but I, and conservatives like me, reject the idea of identity politics that Obama's tax plan employs.

[ExRoadie]

For Clarity:

 

FDR brought us the NEW DEALS(there were two separate groups of legislation) which have crippled this country since the day they were signed into law. Sure there were some success stories like the FDIC and the Tennessee Valley Authority but the FHA and Social Security have been an overall drain on the economy. Thankfully, many programs were found to be unconstitutional and stopped before more damage was done.

 

Rant:

 

According to the current info at the CDC site almost 20% of all Americans under the age of 65 are covered by public health insurance. This means more people have public health insurance than those 43 million without private health insurance. 14% no insurance plus 20% public insurance means that more than 75% of the US population has health insurance.

 

What the numbers don't tell you is how many of those uninsured between 18 and 65 have elected to opt out of the health insurance pool. This number can be as high as 16 million of the uninsured. They are simply young enough to not want to pay for coverage they won't use because they are healthy.

 

Now here's the economy lesson for the day.

 

Everyone pays for medical care one way or another. Either through taxes paid to the government or through the increased cost of goods. Employers simply pass the cost of providing health insurance through to their customers. It doesn't matter whether it's paid for by taxes or at the cash register, you are paying for it.

 

Now here's a novel thought.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Get rid of health insurance. Once each person has to pay for their own health care, you'll see a rapid change in two areas.

 

First, the cost of health-care will drop and drop quickly. Without the insurance teet to suck on, hospitals will stop charging $6.00 for an aspirin. The tremendous overhead of managed health-care will be an immediate 25% boost to monies available for actual health care.

 

Second, once people see that their actions will directly affect their pocket you will see an immediate change in lifestyle. Eating healthy and being active will matter to people if they have to pay their own doctor and medicine bills.

[Compxpert]

Personally I think that this election needs to be redone completely... both of these dolts need to be decked and replaced with competent leaders.... Not that it would really help though as our entire election system needs to change... It allows in way too much bias and allows candidates to stretch the truth about things the other said/did all the time.... Its rather funny how Obama mentions how McCain voes 90% bush... how do we know that those things he voted on weren't things that Obama would have agreed with also? McCain needs to back off too about the higher taxes... sure Obama plans to raise taxes... but do you make more than $250,000 a year? Probably not so why is that a problem... Those that make more than that can afford the higher taxes while those that make less definitely will be getting a well deserved tax break... Honestly I wouldn't vote for either of them or even vote in the election at all... Instead I'm writing in Ron Paul since that's better than not voting at all. Ron Paul FTW.... /thread

[LoArmistead]

Rant:

 

According to the current info at the CDC site almost 20% of all Americans under the age of 65 are covered by public health insurance. This means more people have public health insurance than those 43 million without private health insurance. 14% no insurance plus 20% public insurance means that more than 75% of the US population has health insurance.

 

What the numbers don't tell you is how many of those uninsured between 18 and 65 have elected to opt out of the health insurance pool. This number can be as high as 16 million of the uninsured. They are simply young enough to not want to pay for coverage they won't use because they are healthy.

 

Ding. A lot of the people who are "uninsured" are eligible for coverage, they just choose not to sign up for a variety of reasons.

 

sure Obama plans to raise taxes... but do you make more than $250,000 a year? Probably not so why is that a problem... Those that make more than that can afford the higher taxes while those that make less definitely will be getting a well deserved tax break ... Instead I'm writing in Ron Paul since that's better than not voting at all. Ron Paul FTW...

 

My God I just hope Ron Paul doesn't read what you just typed. Ron Paul would be ashamed of you