United States Presidential Election 2008

[suchuwato]

Can you really trust a government that won't allow you to defend yourself?

 

Funny, I thought that was the role of a government

[RADEON]

Funny, I thought that was the role of a government

 

What happens when you must defend your self from your government? That is the whole point behind the right to bear arms.

 

That is what we were doing when we fought King George for independence. Britain wasn't a foreign nation when we fought them, 200 years ago, they were our government.

If you read the declaration of independence you will find that it clearly states that the people have the right to abolish their government if they think it is no longer serving them.

 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

[ExRoadie]

Funny, I thought that was the role of a government

For clarity.

 

Self defense and National defense are two completely different concepts.

 

Besides, I really thought the Chuck Norris line would have gotten more play.

[Compxpert]

For clarity.

 

Self defense and National defense are two completely different concepts.

 

Besides, I really thought the Chuck Norris line would have gotten more play.

Although Chuck Norris could say he needs no weapons to defend himself as both his fists make excellent weapons already... however the general public is not Chuck Norris. I do believe that the right to bear arms has directly to do with the fact of defending your self not just from others but even your own government in the event it became corrupt. I believe out forefathers did figure in that the government could become corrupt so it gave people the right to stand up to the government if such a thing did occur.

[suchuwato]

What happens when you must defend your self from your government?

 

I thought that was called 'Democracy'?

[Compxpert]

I thought that was called 'Democracy'?

What Democracy? You mean going every 4 years to vote in yet another asshat?

[Kash]

I thought that was called 'Democracy'?

 

No, it's called freedom, something you prissy Brits wouldn't know a thing about with your Big Brother government

[suchuwato]

No, it's called freedom, something you prissy Brits wouldn't know a thing about with your Big Brother government

 

 

I was implying that the primary function of govenment was protection.

 

(A Government is) A compulsory territorial monopolist of protection and jurisdiction equipped with the power to tax without unanimous consent.

 

The fundamental purpose of government is the maintenance of basic security and public order

 

I also said the US has Representative Parlimentary Democracy, which it does. The appointment of which is made by 'the people'. While I'm not the greatest fan of the method of nomination and election, it seems pretty fair.

 

one factor of liberty is to govern and be governed in turn

 

It's something that isn't accepted yet due to the US' age as a country (and no I don't want to get into a discussion about that <_< )

 

As for our government, it's far from perfect. But I don't know how comparision is relevant.

[jammin]

Our government is not quite Big Brother (though they do seem to try at times).

They do some worthwhile things as well, at least in my opinion.

 

I do find it amusing when people mention socialism or communism.

I don't think the British government is particularly left wing, certainly less so than it has been at times in the past.

 

Both the Democrats and Republicans are right of centre, at least economically speaking.

Edited September 1, 2008 by jammin

[LoArmistead]

Not when many people believe the Constitution is a "living document" and thus must adapt over time. After all, there were no automatic weapons or silencers back then...there weren't computers or the Internet...there was wasn't TV, cellphones...I think you get the point.

 

I'm not arguing the ruling, I'm simply arguing your notion that it was cut-and-dry and "should have been a 9-0 decision." That's being biased, if not borderline naive.

 

That breaks down into Hamilton vs Madison again. Same argument. Different time. I don't see the constitution as a living, breathing document because viewing it like that gives activist judges the excuse to legislate from the bench in the name of the 'common good.' I'll decide what's in my best interest, not the government. The Constitution was explicit in what it grants to US citizens, and I don't think automatic weapons and silencers would have changed the founding fathers' view that the right of the people to bear arms should not be infringed. If anything, had they known about silencer and automatic weapons at the time, the founding fathers' persistence that the federal government fear the people might have cause them to require very household to stock automatic weapons .

 

But my point wasn't even with automatic weapons and silencers in mind. The right to own a mere pistol is being threatened by the government. That's where the real concern is.

[Onion]

OBAMAMANIA!

[fire_storm]

If I were going to vote I would vote for Obama.

 

There are a lot of reasons why I don't like Mccian I'm not going to get into them right know but one big factor why I wouldn't vote for him is because of his age hes 72 years old and the fact that his health hasn't been that too good. Hes maybe only got 20-25 more years of his life left and there is a much higher probably compared to other presidents that he may die in office. If he died In office I don't believe he would be leaving the country in good hands. I don't think palin has enough political experience to be running this country yet.

 

After reading through this thread it kinda ticks me off that some people are voting for a candidate just for 1 reason like only voting for somebody because they support guns or abortion or pro-civil unions or other stuff like that. People should be more concerned about the big issues that are in our country like fixing our economy or the war or our borders/homeland security not the little un-important issues like support guns or abortion or pro-civil unions these issues should be dealt with at another time when America is more stable.