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The Death of Windows XP is Coming!

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[quote name='Angry_Games;788338']you'd have a hard time convincing me of that and I go to the popular forums like pcper, anandtech, hardocp, overclockersclub, etc, and always the theme is the same: XP rules, Vista sucks moldy dog balls.

If there are forums out there bigger than these that say opposite, then I'd like to know who they are. Little forums with 1,000 members don't count.[/quote]

Yeah I was going to say the same thing, even on the official Halo 2 for Windows Vista forums there are numerous posts about running the game on XP because the game will not run on Windows Vista for a lot of people. And this is a game that was "designed" for Windows Vista.

I have been testing Vista since the first beta and I don't understand how people can stand using that half assed excuse for an operating system. Slowly as Microsoft releases patches and hotfixes and hardware manufactures start making drivers it is turning into a halfway decent operating system but it will never be on the same playing field as Windows XP.

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[quote name='Angry_Games;788338']you'd have a hard time convincing me of that and I go to the popular forums like pcper, anandtech, hardocp, overclockersclub, etc, and always the theme is the same: XP rules, Vista sucks moldy dog balls.

If there are forums out there bigger than these that say opposite, then I'd like to know who they are. Little forums with 1,000 members don't count.[/quote]

I think it depends on what you're looking for, I browse anandtech and hardocp, and they seem pretty even-handed overall. (ie. old computers should be using XP, quad cores with >4gb of ram should be using Vista)

Of other forums I visit, driverheaven is overall pro-Vista. Neither legitreviews nor hardwarecanucks is anti-Vista overall. (Yeah, I know they're small, but you've said you like the LR reviews in the past, and HWC has awesome reviews) This is by far the most anti-Vista forum I frequent.

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[quote name='Zelig;788381']I think it depends on what you're looking for, I browse anandtech and hardocp, and they seem pretty even-handed overall. (ie. old computers should be using XP, quad cores with >4gb of ram should be using Vista)

Of other forums I visit, driverheaven is overall pro-Vista. Neither legitreviews nor hardwarecanucks is anti-Vista overall. (Yeah, I know they're small, but you've said you like the LR reviews in the past, and HWC has awesome reviews) This is by far the most anti-Vista forum I frequent.[/quote]

I don't see it. I see the opposite, that the majority of posts that have to do with Vista are against it. I find very few (if any in some instances) pro-vista threads in any forum (especially compared to the anti-vista threads and the overall "still using XP" threads).

I'm pretty sure this is the correct view for the simple fact that MS can't kill XP and Dell already told them they can't (and Dell almost always swallows whatever MS/Intel puts in their mouth).

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If Vista was so great why are MS pushing the Windows 7 next year line. Seems like a good way to kill an existing product by talking up the release of a soon to be, better product.

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[quote name='Suedenim;788445']If Vista was so great why are MS pushing the Windows 7 next year line. Seems like a good way to kill an existing product by talking up the release of a soon to be, better product.[/quote]

Microsoft aims to push out all their operating systems within a much shorter timeframe than Vista. Vista had a development time of over 60 months, because of the 2004/2005 development reset. For comparison, XP had a development time of about 18 months, and Windows 7 is scheduled for about 24 months.

The delay in the release of Vista was far longer (5 years) than between any prior versions of Windows (next longest delays were 3 years for 2.0->3.0 and 95->98). MS doesn't want to have another OS take 5 years before an upgrade. (Whether they can actually manage it is a whole other issue.)

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gee, 5 year dev and it sucks butt worse than any previous OS...sounds like an excuse but with MS, that's what we are used to hearing...(since they've gone silent about the bull crap like "BEST WINDOWS OS EVER!!!")

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I plan on trying vista later today. I'm going to neuter it as much as I can and see if it is workable. I would much rather buy a PC laptop and windows based DAW than a macbook and logic if possible but if there's noplace to go with windows(someday I may want more than 3 gigs of ram and xp64 sucks), then there's not much other choice for me.

I wonder if it winds up being as bad as people say it is.

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as long as you don't use your familiarity with XP (ie knowing where everything is, knowing what does what, what can be turned off, etc) as a baseline, you'll get a good idea of how great/crappy Vista is.

A lot of people hit the desktop with Vista and call it trash simply because it's so different than XP in the sense of where it stores things, etc, and that's a bad thing. EVERY OS is going to be different in that respect.

The turn-off for me (and most) is that you can hit the desktop with 800-1500MB of RAM being used for absolutely no reason other than all the bull crap bloatware that Vista runs by default...which makes it slow to a crawl sometimes (even with 4GB of RAM and a Core2). Worse is the fact that applications and games still perform like crap compared to XP (you might have different results, but me, after about 20+ times of fooling with Vista, I come to the same conclusion and ALWAYS in a side-by-side comparison on the same rig so in effect same hardware etc).

Then there's the . that still doesn't work or work properly, multiplied now by SP1 which will break a lot of apps that finally began to work with Vista...

so as a software dev, what do you do? Since 90% of us still use XP and Vista sales are pretty crappy (compounded by the fact that all PC OEM's are down in sales because of the economy coupled with the fact that a good chunk of them demand XP or immediately have Vista removed and XP re-installed...like EVERY single customer I have for example), and now MS announcing a new Windows by 2009-10...hrmmm....

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I just switched to vista for the first time last week. I've been running vista ultimate 64, and I must say....it's not that bad. I admit at first, I was one of the people that angry mentioned, that hit vista and went, "aww man, nothing is where is should be, this blows!!", but made myself continue to work with it. Not to shabby so far, but then again it has only been 4-5 days so we will see if I am still saying that in two weeks heh.

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And so it begins. :) [url="http://www.comcast.net/news/articles/general/2008/04/14/Microsoft.Save.XP/"]http://www.comcast.net/news/articles/gener...rosoft.Save.XP/[/url]
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