phenom 9600 on the wayyyy

[RHKCommander959]

gonna do some benchies/review mayhaps.

 

got it paired with a dfi 790fx; the cheaper one. the more expensive one didnt justify 100$ more, but i did wish this board had debug leds...

 

anyways; black edition phenom. going to watercool it when i get a new block or figure out how to mount my ancient one onto it.

 

to match it, a 2x2gb crucial tracers set ddr-800.

 

 

hopefully good stuff

more to come.

 

 

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i know it sounds stupid since intel is better, but intel is more monies. and i got this all for the same price as a q6600 and a mediocre intel board. amd isnt best anymore, but they arent bad yet either

[Imsochobo]

hehe, im getting my black 9850 about 20th april or earlier, depends when it is in stock, i use the SUCKY MA790FX-DQ6 from gigabyte, i soo miss dfi, Jealus tbh.

 

Dfi isnt retailed in norway anymore

[Branjo]

Better or worse we all play the same games and use the same programs lol, price is really our only concern. I have been waiting to see what these phemon's can do. look forward to hearing what you guys think of them.

[RHKCommander959]

hehe yeah. i'll give it a good workout.

 

might send it back in for a b3 one though:angel: depending on price, and if they do any better. from what i've read they do a bit better. still no q6600 killer, until you factor in prices.

[Imsochobo]

hehe, at stock speeds the Phenom 9850 is a Q6600 killer since price is lower performance simular and memory performance higher.

 

Overclocking is alot worse, acording to the reviews around, a 2.8 ghz is possible without voltage on the 9850 BE, but you then need alot of voltage to get higher, like my 5600+, ezy to 3.3 ghz then it gets abit hard for 3.4 ghz, then very hard for 3.5 ghz, and almost impossible for 3.6 ghz, done it once in ambient temp -17 watercooling.

 

I hope ill do a 3.2 ghz on my phenom though, not high expectations. but im sure im pleased with it, a 3 ghz phenom equals a 3.3 ghz x2 minimum in 2 cores vs 2 cores. definetly a upgrade if i do a 3.2 ghz on it =)

[red930]

I've looked at some reviews on the new B3 steppings and either they are on par or somewhat faster than Intel in some cases. Not sure if this is some good info but it doesn't hurt....

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9231/phenom_...here/index.html

[Imsochobo]

hehe, okey ive done lotsa ruff calculations, okey here is the setups.

 

790FX vs X38

Q6600 vs 9850 BE

DDR3 /DDR2.

 

What i bring to the conclusion, its memory performance, price, price for the performance, and wattage.

 

Okey, lets start off with the chipset, the thing amd really excell at, the 790 FX usually just use 10 watts, 12 watts is max. which is alot less than the x38 which is a power beast of 35 watts or around there.

so the wattage favors intel though on the 9850vs6600, very close.

125+10

95+35

 

HOWever, if amd used ddr3 aswell, things would favor amd there, since DDR3 uses less power, due to lower voltage.

 

Okey price on DDR3 is skyhigh, and also, it wont perform anything near the AMD system with 9850 BE and a 1066 mhz memory.

i wont list prices at all!, i live in norway, prices are diffrent, but i know DDR3 is damn expensive to the counterpart DDR2.

 

The complete system is chaper with amd any way you look at it.

 

Reasons are very simple, okey The power consumtion doesnt pay back the price of the system unless youre using it for a bout 100 years lol, we're talking a 10 watt load diffrence or something like that.

 

Memory is cheaper, you can buy a crap kit with amd, intel gotta have a decent DDR3, but still can use DDR2, which also means it gotta be more expensive to match the speed.

The 9850BE is cheaper than q6600 30 bucks over here(less)

The motherboards are cheaper(790FX vs X38.)

Amd system can be made alot cheaper, more possibilites hybrid CF 780G(IGP)

 

the Cons are really simple aswell with amd system, if you dont have any issues with it, I dont see any reason to not pick amd, nor intel both choices are great.

well 9850 BE doesnt clock like a q6600.

Amd phenoms aint as fast as you can get a intel.

If you got DDR3, dont buy amd system, yet atleast.

 

So if you dont do clocking over 3 ghz, you dont want a stock 2.6-7-8-3.2 ghz quadcore, or you already got a nice DDR3 kit you wanna use, there is no reason not to buy the phenom.

 

I could set up some graphs, and some real proof if some1 doubt on this one.

 

But i cant say the B2 phenoms are some real crappy cpu's. so dont buy the tricores.!

[RHKCommander959]

yeah im gonna get a b3 stepping. already have mobo ram and cpu on way... then i think maybe i get a b3 stepping... then maybe just go intel instead.

 

i dont know though. i'll try the phenom, but i wish it was a b3 at least:angel:

[Imsochobo]

hehe, im the same, and cannot afford to change my build plans.

 

Was initially planning a nvidia vga, got changed to ati, was maybe planning intel cpu, all got changed

 

Dont regret all to much though, amd just missdoing abit on cpu, but they got a more complex cpu design, more complex is harder to make perfect. they are ahead the time if you ask me.

[RHKCommander959]

got the chip. ram didnt come from ncix yet... they are taking forever.

 

not sure if i want to keep this, or cancel ncix and rma lol... chip stepping reads

 

caawb aa 0748mpmw

[RHKCommander959]

got it set up. running problem free so far. feels weird coming from dfi LOL.

 

think i had her running a little under 2.9ghz no additional vcore. bios options are a little awkward now. and by a little, i mean a ton:angel:

 

2/19 bios.

 

will try a mod on the mobo later... but windows xp picks up all 4 cores, forgot to disable cool n quite though. oopsies but it works :tooth: !

 

will come back with some benchies/ overclocking results

 

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2.5ghz: 33.719 s super pi mod v1.5 : edf37b75 stock vcore

 

had to attach fan to nb heatsink. it got to 66C and was a bit hot .

i bet thats a problem for alotta boards with bad cooling on chipsets

 

ram is dual channel pny 2x1gb ddr667 5-5-5 timings so thats why its a bit sluggish im guessing. none the less my opteron 165-s939 beats this thing by 4 seconds....

 

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2.6 not stable.. add some volts. 100mv to cpu, then 150 instead.... temps are climbing now from low 30s to low 40s. still not stable. windows load bar keeps on going and going and going.... mind you the voltage on the cpu is 1.4 and it looks like i've reached the max. im only raising the multiplier as well.

 

1.45v and still wont boot. windows xp just keeps acting like it will load... the bar keeps going. any tips?

[RHKCommander959]

looks like the b2's are clock limited, not htt

 

time to rma this hunk of junk. im sure it would go farther in some great oc'ers hands, but im gonna wait. unless you give me some tips like asap

 

imo dont go for the B2 stepping unless someone you know wants quad core, and doesnt like overclocking. there's alotta people like that. they're good chips, just i dont have the cash to blow on an inferior (to my older dfi) board (cooling of chipset, features: i stepped down from a ut to a dk...) and lose performance. s939 lives on!