jaz Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Thanks for the apoligy Dan, I didn't realize it was directed at Travis, who you are good friends with and can insult each other in a friendly manner like good friends usually do. It's hard to tell from just reading text. I commend you and thank you for serving our country. And good luck and take care of yourself, I want to argue with you some more in the future! j/k And i do realize I'm not always right, and can own up to being a bit over zealous at times, but bush an co. have really, really pissed me off with their policies of corruption and deception. So let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. King, whenever i get talking about politics, i do get a bit worked up, and with good reason. But you're right. I shouldn't take it to heart the way i do. But when i see what our troops have to endure becuase of this illegal war, the dead, the maimed for life, the tormented, the mental anguish these guys have to live with the rest of their lives, the suicides, i find it a little difficult not to feel anger towards bush for starting this war just so people can get rich. But you're right, i need to chill, thanks for the way you worded it...with respect. And lookback, you don't know anything about what i was doing or how close i came to getting caught in my activities. There was a lot of us doing it, and others get threatened too. I don't trust our government and i know people can just dissappear if they make too much noise. And we were making a LOT of noise. What we were doing involved politicians. Corrupt officials. People with low moral codes and positions of power. The kind of power to track down people on the web like any talented kid hacker can do. We were careful to hide our identies, but they found us anyway. Don't forget, we were fighting for the rights of corporate whistleblowers and people that don't want to get caught with their collective pants down will go to great leanghts to keep their illegal, corrupt operations going. We all backed off cuz we had a tiger by the tail and it was ready to turn and bite us, so we had to let go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
red930 Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 And i do realize I'm not always right, and can own up to being a bit over zealous at times, but bush an co. have really, really pissed me off with their policies of corruption and deception. So let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Lol, god knows none of us are right all the time (if ever), and certainly we all get overzealous at times. Perhaps more often than we should, even. We should find something to agree about....um...fake moon landing anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 I know where Hoffa is.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branjo Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 My damn internet went off last night, Its comcast they are out to get me...lol. Im gonna have to say sorry for the Texan thing bro, and no offense to any cowboys out there who got offended. And yes Dan I was actually watching Mind of Mencia and the De De Dee bit was just there for the taking.....lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryTaco Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Well I really dont care much what any of the most of you say. I know that my lifestyle is suffering, the cost of living has gone up. The country is in economic shambles. I do Blame Bush and his Cabinet. I blame greedy, high powered Corporations(the people behind them) and most of all I blame any and every voter who helped put George Bush in office. Right now those people are highest on my pissed list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
red930 Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Id like to break the nose of every danged one of them with my right fist. Might want to share the load with 'ol lefty, there are a lot of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_bowtie Posted March 27, 2008 Posted March 27, 2008 Well I really dont care much what any of the most of you say. I know that my lifestyle is suffering, the cost of living has gone up. The country is in economic shambles. I do Blame Bush and his Cabinet. I blame greedy, high powered Corporations(the people behind them) and most of all I blame any and every voter who helped put George Bush in office. Right now those people are highest on my pissed list. Id like to break the nose of every danged one of them with my right fist. True... I dont really like or care for politics myself... from my point of view polititions have gotten away from the point politics have stood for... The good of all americans....instead polititons are all about greed, greed of money...they all fight over who is going to have control over the money thats all plain and simple.... It doesnt matter to me if you're Republican or Democrat or whatever there is...they all seem to fight for control over the money we have or dont have.... One side want to tax and spend now and the other wants to tax and spend a little later than now...so it doesnt really matter...they just want control of what we have and they want...MONEY... the way I see it...Repulicans and Democrats are like PCs built with AMD and Intel CPUs....once they are in there you really cant tell a difference and it's only your pocket book that suffers the most... Either way the economy isnt getting any better nomatter who is in there...things are always going to get progressively worse meaning the dollar is always worth less tomorrow than it is today... we have way too much Double-Taxation-without-representation going on to really get anything back we once had... We have TOO many polititons feeding off our tax dollars all the way from City, State and Federal governments...and until you weed all those JACKASSes out of there we never will have any money... I really cant stand heated debates about politics either so watch out...if this turns into a namecalling Flamefest there WILL be multiple bans... I like debate and encourage it but it should be kept down to a dull-roar...meaning civil manor...doc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
red930 Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 @ Jaz You and the others that would rather believe that the greatest nation this earth has ever seen is more evil than the people that want to destroy us have my sympathy. To be so negative and self loathing must be a terrible way to live. Granted, the United States of America isn't a perfect place since it's populated by and governed by human beings with all our flaws, it sure is better than any other place on the planet. When the Chinese Communist are funding Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and the former Soviet Union is flexing its military muscle again, you'd rather rant about the 9/11 Attacks and and Economy that you really don't understand. I'm sure that socialists the world over are loving the fact that guys like you are willing to show your hatred for America. You're doing all the dirty work for them. Congratulations! ______ The original post before I realized this was a futile effort. Blah, blah, blah, Saddam didn't have any weapons of mass destruction. Well then, what did he drop on the Kurds in Northern Iraq. I seem to remember mass graves with thousands of bodies in them. Guess they all had a bad case of dying at the same time. How unfortunate for them. Blah, blah, blah, Bush is the worst president ever. Jimmy Carter 'nuff said! Blah, blah, blah, 9/11 was an inside job and the President planned everything or President Bush was able to keep the operation secret and let 9/11 happen versus he's too stupid to do anything right! So what is it? Bush is an idiot or an evil genius. Pick one and stick with it! Blah, blah, blah, Bush has run the economy into the ground with the war. President Bush is no more responsible for this economic downturn than President Clinton was responsible for the booming economy of the 90's. Since you have no idea how global economics functions you should stop showing your ignorance. How about blaming the lending meltdown on the mortgage companies that lent money to people that didn't have any business getting loans. Oh wait. They were acting on legislation that was passed during the Clinton administration loosening the regulations on mortgages. Damn! Blah, blah, blah, Bush sent the soldiers to war without proper equipment. Oh, wait, Congress makes the budget for the Pentagon not the President. Ignorance. Halliburton, did that scare you? Blah, blah, blah, no yellow cake in Nigeria. Joe Wilson is a Democrat hack that was chosen by his wife Valerie Plame to make a report that fit her agenda on Iraq. She was actually "outed" by Richard Armitage another Democrat hack. Valerie Plame donated money to the Al Gore 2000 campaign through her CIA "front" company Brewster Jennings. She's not a smart woman! Kathy Gill has a nice time-line available over on about.com if you'd like to see the facts as vetted by the editorial board... http://uspolitics.about.com/od/wariniraq/a/niger.htm commondreams.org There's a fair and balanced source of news and information... "because America is apparently still being run by inbred white collar thugs who would blind their own mothers for an uptick in Exxon share prices." Just a sample of their journalistic style! Look, those guys at commondreams will eat their own children if it advances the socialist agenda... http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/27/7912/ But you might not want the facts get in the way of a useless attack on truth. When you actually learn how the economy works and what it takes to keep the country safe, come back and maybe we can have a civil conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceanborn Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 You and the others that would rather believe that the greatest nation this earth Greatest Nation on Earth? Did you actually live anywhere else? You might wanna check this out http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...5/nindex205.xml To be so negative and self loathing must be a terrible way to live. You can't possibly think positively about what's happening with the US economy right now. When the Chinese Communist are funding Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and the former Soviet Union is flexing its military muscle again, you'd rather rant about the 9/11 Attacks and and Economy that you really don't understand. What about communism?? if it happens elsewhere in the world and they wanna live like that why do you care??? About saddam killing the kurdistan people, it sucks, but that's why there's a UNITED NATIONS... Do you honestly believe that ANY nation has the right to just invade another nation as they see fit? give me a break... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branjo Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 The US or UK are not the best place's in the world to live, I don't know what makes you believe that .. Do you think that every person in every other country but the US lives in squaller and is afraid to leave their house for fear of oppression? Is it a better nation because you think you still have free speech? what good is free speech when no one cares what you say. How many "American" Muslims get arrested and interrogated everyday and have every single one of their rights violated. What about their free speech what about their right to legal representation or the right to pursue the religion of their choice without fear of persecution. Even a rapist or child molester get more respect than that! and there is not a person in this forum or this world that would lift a finger in disagreement with a "War on Sexual Deviants". You always compare China, and say they fund this or that guy or there pollution is worse than here, funny, finger pointing is the first thing OUR governments do to rally support for their Illegal wars or someone they want you to focus your hatred on. Saddam killed 2,000+ people in a chemical attack, in all seriousness WTF does it matter what weapon gets used to murder innocent people, is it any more noble that a cluster bomb gets dropped on a village? Who leads the world on chemical warfare? Who produces more chemical weapons than the whole middle east COMBINED.? The US trained the very "Insurgents" they are fighting right now, thats why they can't call the Mushahadeen terrorists cause then the US would have directly trained terrorists and that would be bad press in a whole different way. Even though thats what the papers should say, but they know that if they make them dangerous enough then sooner or later they will have to dismantle them and who knows how to dismantle an organization better than the very people who trained and funded them. This is all a domino effect started a very long time ago and going off like clockwork. Support our troops, what a crock of ., I have family members in the military also and I want them to come out of it unhurt and without any shame of what they have done. I respect their right to defend what they BELIEVE to be the right thing, I don't want there lives wasted inorder to line the pockets of warmongering scum that lurk behind every and all governments. People have all this blame for Bush but the truth of the matter is he has very little power or influence over the people that control him. He is merely a front man to take either the praise or the blame when the time comes, and for this sacrifice he is being well rewarded for it. Look what happened to the last president that stuck his nose in where it wasn't wanted? What could be more refreshing to the puppet masters than a president that will write them a blank check if and when they need it. These people aren't living for the here and now, they are securing power for decades to come so that even their grandchildren can step right into positions of power without first earning it. PROVE that WAR isn't the best business for the Weapons, Oil and Drug cartels and prove that there are no politician's directly connected and profiting from them all and we will all keep quiet. Your sense of Loyalty and Patriotism are being manipulated into anything the government wants you to think. They give you enough creature comforts for you to believe that its what freedom looks like but instead its all just misdirection as they will take the money back from your pockets and convince you its for the greater good. The people of this nation have lost all ability to fight back against a corrupt regime. The people have no power to say no any more. The freedom fighter is now a terrorist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
red930 Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 Tbh with you branjo yes i do I have my moments where i seriously am thinking about my savety and those i love. Free is speech is firstly overrated. Secondly if one is lucky people dont care when one does express his freedom of speech and saying nasty things. Wich makes me say something else about free speech... The only way one can respond to free speech is with free speech itself. The moment people are starting too take action against someone who is exercising his/her free speech and it is not according to to their believes or whatever the line is crossed. It is no longer freedom of speach, but ill bully you since you have insulted my whatever. Wanna know about the moslim's freedom of speech? They have trust me, in the states , in europe. Hell they are on the: we demand now... They declare war left, right and center cause they didnt make a line between state and religion.. Lol if im correct moslim's dont even do democratie... Might be wrong here though, but then again salman rushdie wasnt happy with that deaththingy he got cause he wrote a book. Theo van gogh is cold since he didnt believe they would actually kill him, free speech lady's and gents come and get it.. Same goes for an almost president who was fed up with all of this..yeap gonner... Hirsy ali, she is living with guards around her for years now..free speech... Im not to big on it, but thats just me:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryTaco Posted March 28, 2008 Posted March 28, 2008 Ya know Im very happy to have ExRoadie here. He is the foil against which i can bang my hammer. He is intelligent, well informed, and most times actually likable. I just dont agree at all lol. The Republican power must be really cut for at least four terms of presidential office. That would please me more than anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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