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I'm looking at modding a system in about the next 6 months. I will provide links since it saves on loading on an image hosting site and having to deal with site copyright laws, length of post, etc.

 

EDIT: (Links Removed, please see updated Post 07-18-2007)

 

Of course there will be the dielectric grease, thermal grease, thermal adhesive grease for the ram heatsinks on video card, as well as the spray for the motherboard to protect from condensation.

 

What would be better? I triple 120mm Rad setup or would I get the same effect from using three single 120mm Rad's, .... EDIT: going to use Triple Rad.

 

Hehe I get to pick some brains with my first post :cool:

 

Got the idea from having to watercool from the qx6800, and lot of thought and research.

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What would be better? I triple 120mm Rad setup or would I get the same effect from using three single 120mm Rad's, one on the side of the case, one on the front and one in the back (all pulling air in), with a couple exaust fans on the top of the case for optimum air flow, a fan in middle of case on the seperator for the psu/hd area (if space permits) to blow upward.

 

when I first got into watercooling thanks to Rokk (CPU Killer here at forums) @ DangerDen, I debated the same thing. Using a couple of single rads instead of a dual rad, or even 3 rads in place of a dual rad.

 

Rokk humored me and probably rolled his eyes every 9 seconds at my attempt to out-think a guy who designs the waterblocks all day, every day. Then gently told me that using multiple rads is a waste of water pressure, and still couldn't do the job of a decent dual-rad, let alone a triple-rad.

 

plus all the space it takes up (but, you might be like me and was ready to build some 1944 atomic-bomb looking thing with hoses and cables and such everywhere hehe). A case that will accept a triple rad only really needs fans on one side of the rad, and they can be almost dead silent, especially if you got good pressure to keep the coolant flowing smoothly and quickly through the long length of the rad.

 

I never found a case that would take a triple rad that I could afford (DD made some KILLER custom wood cases that were of course, easily able to accept any triple-rad that DD sold haha...one case was even made out of Purple Heartwood....). But I use dual rads exclusively in my CM Stackers, and they are worlds apart from single rads. Not just cooling. Noise from fans is a big difference as single rads got to get that heat off quicker so you generally want lots of airflow, which leads to multiple fans or just a single fan but usually at a high rpm to get that airflow.

 

You could probably fit a triple rad into that case, but I never use a triple rad in my CM Stacker cases because I wouldn't have any hdd cages at all (they wouldn't fit with a triple rad...but I guess at least the triple rad would haha).

 

Also of note I almost always put a waterblock on my video card. Here's a couple of my setups that are currently in use for example:

 

E6600 @ 3Ghz

2GB DDR2

3x80GB RAID-0

8800GTS

single 12v DDC pump

dual rad

TDX waterblock on cpu

 

previously on this same setup:

 

2x X1900XT's, both with DangerDen Tyee full-sized waterblocks

2x 7950GT SLI's with DangerDen Koosah full-sized waterblocks

single X1900XT with DD Maze gpu waterblock

single 7800GT with DD Maze gpu waterblock

 

my vid rig next to it:

 

PentiumD 930 (3Ghz)

2GB DDR2

2x80GB RAID-0

single 12v DDC pump

dual rad

7800GTX w/ DangerDen Koosah full-sized waterblock

TDX waterblock on cpu

 

 

all of these machines, even with a couple of gpu waterblocks in the loop, never gave me any trouble. Only with the X1900XT's in Crossfire @ 745/850 and my Core2 @ 3.4Ghz playing games did I ever have to turn the fans from silent to 'a little above silent to where I could actually hear them'.

 

With just a cpu in the loop, and running at stock or maybe a small bit of overclock (like 2.4Ghz Core2 to 3Ghz), you can almost run a dual rad without fans running. Never advisable of course, but you get my drift.

 

however...running a TEC (and I am honestly not experienced with TEC at all other than the Vigor Monsoon cpu cooler), that's a heck of a lot of heat dispersal. Dissipation. Whatever lol. ViperJohn is the resident TEC guru (he builds custom ones for ATI/Nvidia top-end cards), and is definitely into watercooling, so he would know more about the TEC part and the heat removal needed than I could even guess at.

 

So, you picked my brain but it was pretty slim pickins' :tooth:

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man your power bills gonna be insane.

 

i also agree that one triple rad would work alot better than 3 120mm rads. TEC's generates alot of heat and they would get heat soaked too quickly.

 

I have just linked the components that I plan to watercool and the case to house them in. I also plan to watercool the Northbridge Chip (hopefully directly on the heatpipe) in place of the fan.

 

i have a feeling that the fan might do better too cool it. i personally would ignore cooling the chipset or get a better heatsink for it. ( this is why i tend to avoid heat pipe mobos......you wanna replace one cooler you replace all the coolers.)

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Thanks for the info. Not just slim pickings there. The uber cooler is a little biiiiig lol.

 

So no chipset fan in the loop, which means one less thing to have to hook up :) I know energy bills will be up there but I eventually plan to get a nice solar block setup when my wife and I get our own house.

 

Hopefully the resident TEC guru will pop in with their 2 cents worth hehe. If you couldn't tell, I'm going for nice cooooool temps! I could put the triple rad on the side underneath or on top. I have seen both setups in a Lian Li case. This case is a little bit different and I like different. If I put the rad in the top then I could leave the drive bay cage in the back there, and have more room on the front for more toys. Looking at a display that goes in the 5.25 bay to display temps and fan speeds. Even shows a spectrum when you play music from Media Player or Winamp.

 

I have things figured out if I do use the HDD adapter in a couple of 5.25 bay cases. Just a little bit tighter fit :rolleyes:

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ure better off running ure northbridge on air as the tec's will produce alot of heat in the fluid & would be pre-heating the chipset.

 

like people hav already stated a bigger rad is better for flow etc, but also with a tec or two u need to keep the tec's hot side as cooled as possible for decent cpu temps. maybe a 240mm & a 120mm rad would be a good idea if a 360mm rad's pushing it fo space.

i'd possibly use two 240mm rad's for a dual tec setup.

 

u will need the AUX psu even with a 1000watt psu for two tec's. u'd be better off getting a normal 500-600watt for ure cpu mobo etc , then use the AUX psu for the tec's only.

the best thing to do for superior tec performence would be using an AUX psu for each tec.

 

another thing to think about is what psu to run the pump off as u'll want the pump to start running when tec's start running.

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he's gonna use sli so he has 3 tec blocks. it's overkill in my opinion. i would just tec the cpu and put the GPUS in another loop under a normal LCS. you probably can't get much more OC out 8800gtx anyways.

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So scrap the chipset waterblock. Aux psu for TEC instead of running two psu's for the video cards (5.25 bay ones). Not planning on OC'ing the video cards just keep them cool. I read where the 8800GTX's get hot. Would I do just as good running two full block coolers for the GPU's and just TEC the processor?

 

I know I can fit a triple Rad in the top, seen it done by UncleDavid218 in a Li... case that is real similar to the one I have planned to use. I could remove the two HD drive bays on the bottom, and fit the aux psu there. If I use just one TEC, which would be for the processor, the Enermax 1000W has been certified by swiftech as able to handle the wattage and current needed. The Enermax has 5 rails, so should run what I need.

 

I could put a dual rad facing sideways on the bottom and have the fans pull in from the side opposite to the side the MB will sit. Would still involve removing both HD bays even if an Aux power supply wasn't used.

 

Next post will show updated plans.

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Everything is "plan to use". Nothing is final and of course I've changed setups multiple times!

 

Case: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5961/cst...l?tl=g1c7#blank

 

PS: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16817194019

(Certified by swiftech to run thier TEC block)

 

Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16813130080

 

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16819115021

 

 

GPU: (SLI Mode) http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16814127281

 

HD Bay: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811999164

 

Temp Sensor: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2339/ex-...?tl=g30c229s579

 

Reservoir: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2184/ex-...l?tl=g30c97s168

Would leave enough slack in the tubing to be able to pull out and fill from front.

 

Reservoir 2: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2235/ex-...l?tl=g30c97s167

(Where drive bays would be, a passive cooling effect)

 

Pump: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?...N82E16835108082

 

CPU TEC Block:

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5532/ex-..._775.html#blank

 

GPU Blocks: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6007/vid...30c87s145#blank

 

Triple Rad on top: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5618/ex-...l?tl=g30c95s161

 

VFD Display: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2919/lcd...Text.html#blank

 

Mods: Rad on Top, Two Fans on side Door, Two fans opposite of Side door, 80MM Fans on back Vents, HD bays removed, Passive reservoir getting hit by all the air from the fans. Possibly a window on lower part of side door as well.

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if you want optimal cooling for your vid cards i would get another pump and put it in a separate loop. and since the gtx's dish out alot of heat you might wanna Y split a 1/2" into 2 3/8" and cool them both in a parallel loop. however i have never tried this and can't guarantee if it performs better than using only 1/2" tubing.

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