Guest Neezer Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 I found this at PC magazine... I would like to hear what you guys think about this, and its impact on the vista DRM if any. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2091398,00.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoetuS Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 It probably won't affect Vista's DRM at all. This article is speaking to audio DRM, while Vista DRM is primarily for Video - HD & BR DVDs. It is definately a step in the right direction, & Jobs is correct in stating that pressure needs to be put on the studios now. It will probably take a few more years of DRM totally failing before all the greedy white men that run the studios (both Music & Movie) start to realize that it isn't working. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitfit1 Posted February 7, 2007 Posted February 7, 2007 As some of you might know, i work in the music industry. From all the people that i talk to, Artists, road managers, Producers and other sound engineers. The overriding thing that comes through, is complete bewilderment and inability to understand any benefit to the record industry. Artists, as an example, want to get there music out to as many people as possible, and make money at the same time. But they also know that the most money is made from live gigs, to get people to those gigs they need to get known(release music). That's why more and more artists are going it alone and releasing music via the web(to get people to come and see them live). From my point of view DRM in relation to music, ultimately, will be the end of the record company's existance. But as usual, it's the bean counters and short term profit making that is winning the day. Of course these bean counters don't care about music or the long term viability of the record company's that they work for. All they care about is the next bonus. Well thanks to DRM not many more years are left to collect those nice fat bonuses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
red930 Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 The music industry is like a legal mafia. From the Capo at the top to the Soldiers at the bottom. A new artist signs his life away to the record company then they start fronting money to the artist. Studio time, composer purchases, producer fees, marketing, promotion, video production and A&R are all taken out of any money generated from sales. The accounting is even more dense than that used by the movie studios to screw anyone that gets profit points rather than gross points. So the industry insiders have no reason to allow any control of the product slip through their hands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_bowtie Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 It's all about greed.... You get these people in the field that find loopholes and sell fixxes to the big companies... DRM is just one of those fixes that creates negative revenue... It's like this...they dont make alot for the sales of the music and most of it goes via the internet downloading as you know... So it cost the record company more money to implement the DRM then they would actually make without it...the only one making any money was the company that developed the DRM and pitched the sale to the record company...getting them to believe by putting the DRM in force they could make billions of X dollars back....when in fact the oposite is true....they end up spending twice as many dollars.... So it becomes a marketing exploit...it's like they are spending $10.00 to save $1.00... so now they've lost $11.00 instead of earned $1.00... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 07 Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 From my point of view DRM in relation to music, ultimately, will be the end of the record company's existance. But as usual, it's the bean counters and short term profit making that is winning the day. Of course these bean counters don't care about music or the long term viability of the record company's that they work for. All they care about is the next bonus. Well thanks to DRM not many more years are left to collect those nice fat bonuses. I think you've got the bean counters confused with the A&R pukes(I'm related to one of those bean counters). A&R morons have a life span of only a few years, maybe more if they're good. Those guys are the one's after the "quick bonus". If you want to know the honest truth, the record industry has been "royally screwed in the butt" by the overabundance of lawyers trying to leave there mark on the Entertainment Industry and get paid while doing it. Record labels used to be run by a producer or some one with a working knowledge of "how to make a record" and what good music was, now they're all headed by lawyers making "legal decisions" who don't know "crapk all" about good music or making a record. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry_Games Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 If you want to know the honest truth, the record industry has been "royally screwed in the butt" by the overabundance of lawyers trying to leave there mark on the Entertainment Industry and get paid while doing it. Record labels used to be run by a producer or some one with a working knowledge of "how to make a record" and what good music was, now they're all headed by lawyers making "legal decisions" who don't know "crapk all" about good music or making a record. which in turn means us consumers have had to take it in the butt for a couple of decades now it isn't about the music, and never has been. It has always been about the money...and you can tell what the money has done to some bands (metallica, sell-out pukefaces that I will never have an ounce of respect ever again for), and you can also see what it has done to others (Prince and all the others that have decided to strike out on their own and do it their way, which is the right way as far as I am concerned) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry_Games Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 for anyone that missed the actual blog post by Jobs: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitfit1 Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 DRM is just one of those fixes that creates negative revenue... In a round about sort of way, that's exactly what i was trying to say. Which is also why i think in the end it will kill the record company's. I for one will not shed any tears when finally they all go down the pan. Perhaps then those of us left that know how to create, produce and stage live music can get on with the job. Then the paying public will get a better variety of music, rather than the general pap that has been shoved down there throats for the last 30 years. In a few years time when we can all download at very fast speeds(20mb+)we won't have to put up with compression either. That's the only thing i hate about downloads at the moment, most peep's never hear the music as it was recorded which is a big loss to them in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thasp Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 I don't think there ever was a beginning for DRM. Most people who have a clue hold their fair use right in high regard, and would rather own the DVD, CD, SACD, or DVD-A of a work(or just outright download it) than deal with a lower quality, DRMed download for the price of the original. $200 for an OS? 600+ MB of RAM usage at idle? DRM hardcoded into the OS? I think Vista is a joke. Similar to the RIAA/MPAA - a well funded, well supported joke, but a joke nonetheless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoken Joe Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 Well said kitfit1. DRM is anti artist and anti music. It is simple as that. If the whole establishment, or syndicate would be a more proper term, went down the drain then more of the music worth listening to (and buying) would get heard. Right now DRM is more abot making you pay for what you buy more than once and if the bean counters get there way evey time you listen to a song or view a movie. Tere hardly is any fair use any more the movie and recording industry is working hard to by the required congressmen to eliminate that right. I wish there was a good DRM that wasnt at risk of bing unsuported in the future or causing crashes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_bowtie Posted February 8, 2007 Posted February 8, 2007 I even seen this was a part of Media Player 10 also... When I was browsing thru the players files I found DRM files...I even went so far as thinking of switching those files with MP-11 to see if I could get better results from the MP-11 player... You know it actually doesnt make sence right now about the whole issues... The industry want you to stop downloading music/movies via the internet but...there has been release of CPU's specifically geared towards/made for torrent downloading....I have yet to see any part of the industry jump on this and try and stop it... These cpu chips were said to be targeted at everything that uses a net connection....like gaming consoles and the such... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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