Help with TEAM Xtreem PC4000 Samsung UCCC 2GB

[elessar777]

TEAM Xtreem PC4000 Samsung UCCC 2GB Kit (2x1024Mb) CL3-4-3-8, Brain Power PCB, TXDR2048M500HC3DC-S

 

 

 

 

I have tried using the TeamGroup forum but for some reason I cannot post a new thread. It always sends me back to the TeamGroup homepage!!???

 

DFI LanParty UT Sli-DR-Expert 426 BIOS (2006/4/6)

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Basically I am currently running FSB of 325 with a 150 mem divider which gives me 243Mhz on my RAM

 

I can't get this RAM to run stable at 166 Mem divider which gives 263Mhz with current FSB.

 

As we speak RAM is actually at 166 -263Mhz but not stable. :sad:

 

Most times it won boot but i've found setting MAL to 9 allows me to boot.

 

Here are my settings which work so far with 150 divider (243Mhz) Please would someone give me some recommended settings to get this ram to run stable at 263 (ie 166Mem divider) I have put comments where needed and marked "Advice??" where I think I may need some recommendations.

 

Genie BIOS Settings:

 

FSB Bus Frequency - 325

LDT/FSB Frequency Ration - 3

CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - 9

PCI eXpress Frequency - 100Mhz

 

CPU VID StartUp Value - 1.45v

 

CPU VID Control - 1.475

CPU VID Special Control - Auto

LDT Voltage Control - 1.30v

Chip Set Voltage Control - 1.59v

DRAM Voltage Control - 2.6v (this ram seems to like low voltage so far, but not sure when I should UP it a little)

 

DRAM Configuration Settings:

 

DRAM Frequency Set - 150

Command Per Clock (CPC) - Enable

CAS Latency Control (Tcl) - 3

RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) - 04 Bus Clocks

Min RAS# active time (Tras) - 8 Bus Clocks

Row precharge time (Trp) - 04 Bus Clocks

Row Cycle time (Trc) - 12 Bus Clocks

Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) - 16 Bus Clocks

Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 03 Bus Clocks

Write recovery time (Twr) - 03 Bus Clocks

Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks

Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 03 Bus Clocks

Refresh Period (Tref) - 3120

DRAM Bank Interleave - Enabled

 

 

 

DQS Skew Control - Auto

DQS Skew Value - 0

DRAM Drive Strength - 05 (still unsure about this one)

DRAM Data Drive Strength - Level 1 (reduce 50%) (Advice???)

Max Async Latency - 9 (VITAL) Anything lower than 9 above 250 = NO BOOT

Read Preamble Time - 8.5 (Currently on Auto) (Advice???)

IdleCycle Limit - 32 cycle (advice?)

Dynamic Counter - Disable

R/W Queue Bypass - 8 (advice??)

Bypass Max - 04 x (Advice???)

32 Byte Granularity - Disable(8 Bursts)

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks

 

Regards

[Guest erico]

Use the base settings from Team Extreem first.

http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/images/stories...test_xtreem.pdf

Hare is the forum URL http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/forums/

 

Bump your DRAM volts up by enabling the setting just below DRAM voltage in the GENIE BIOS.

Team Extreem Site says DRAM volts 2.6-2.8vdc for your DDRAM.

BTW, which sockets do you have your DDRAM in?

 

Set your DRAM speed to SPD (Initially)

your FSB to 250. Memory divider should be 1:1 (200Mhz)

LDT/FSB Frequency Ration - 4

CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - 10

R/W Bypass - 16x

 

That should get you started. @2.5 GHZ.

When you bump your DRAM volts up you should get more stability and you can play with the FSB Frequency. Watch you HT Link freq. and try to keep it near 1000

Download CPUZ (latest version) and A64Info v. 0.6(will help w/ memory timings)

 

Do a search in the forum for your MOBO and Memory. Also do the same on Google. That way you can find some more setting that someone has had success with.

 

Good Luck!

[elessar777]

hmm Unfortunately that's not very helpful. You obviously didn't read my settings correctly. Opty 165 has a 9x multi no higher.

Yes I have searched but haven't found anything helpful yet. that's why I am asking for help/

 

Oh and the teamgroup site doesnt work for me , every time I post i get sent back to the homepage of teamgroup NOT even to the forum homepage, nope, welll thats computers for you.

 

As for voltages well, hmmmmm 2.6-2.8 maybe what is stated but i get errors if I go over 2.6 and teamgroup also state a Max Async latency of 8, my pc will only boot with it set to 9 or higher. So who to beleive? Well, I beleive my PC. If it doesn't boot, then the setting doesnt work right?

[elessar777]

Also, this is what I found on the teamgroup website, you looked at the wrong RAM type Im afraid:-

 

The modules are based on the Infineon/Aeneon memory IC, a new generation chip produced under o.11 micron processing. This memory IC achieves very high frequencies (more than 500MHZ, against a standard of 400MHZ), at a low voltage (less than 2.75V under 500MHZ operation).

[Guest erico]

Also, this is what I found on the teamgroup website, you looked at the wrong RAM type Im afraid:-

 

The modules are based on the Infineon/Aeneon memory IC, a new generation chip produced under o.11 micron processing. This memory IC achieves very high frequencies (more than 500MHZ, against a standard of 400MHZ), at a low voltage (less than 2.75V under 500MHZ operation).

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I just posted in the Team Xtreem forum and will have an accurate answer for you shortly. I suspect Aeneon or infineons is not what they will answer, but will get the Company to answer the question. Strange that you cannot get to the site. I have no problem doing it from here in the netherlands.

 

Aha!.. found it here at DFI recommended memory page

 

and the answer is..drum roll..Samsung UCC is in your memsticks, not infeons/aeneons!

 

See this page for this info

Samsung UCCC

- Maximum voltage needed is 2.8v

- 2.5-3-3-X @200Mhz

- 3-4-4-8 / 3-4-3-8 @250Mhz

- Maximum Overclock ~275Mhz

 

I was not aware of the locked multi on OPTYs but who knows everything? Heck, maybe my CAS or personal asynchronous refresh was set too low! BTW this does mean that you can bump the volts up a tad and perhaps get more stability.

Watercooling Rocks!! especially coupled with RAM coolers

[Praz]

TEAM Xtreem PC4000 Samsung UCCC 2GB Kit (2x1024Mb) CL3-4-3-8, Brain Power PCB, TXDR2048M500HC3DC-S

:and the answer is..drum roll..Samsung UCC is in your memsticks, not infeons/aeneons!

The type of memory should have been a non-issue since it is clearly stated in the first post. :confused:

 

 

I can't get this RAM to run stable at 166 Mem divider which gives 263Mhz with current FSB.

You may be able to squeeze 263MHz of them by adjusting the voltage in small amounts. But most UCCC chips regardless of brand, never needed more then 2.6V to reach their maximum overclock.

 

Using Memtest, you can try all the different combinations of DDS/DDDS to find the optimal one. After you try a few it should be obvious if the system likes odd or even DDS values. That will eliminate half of the ones you will need to try. You can also try various Tref values. 3684 is a good value to try for the Expert.

 

More importantly, contrary to what you have read and popular belief, 260MHz is the average overclock for UCCC chips. The higher you get above that the more uncommon it becomes to reach that speed.

 

This link is basically a database of settings for UCCC chips like yours.

 

G.Skill HZ/Any other UCCC (2x1024) 260+ please post here

[elessar777]

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I just posted in the Team Xtreem forum and will have an accurate answer for you shortly. I suspect Aeneon or infineons is not what they will answer, but will get the Company to answer the question. Strange that you cannot get to the site. I have no problem doing it from here in the netherlands.

 

Aha!.. found it here at DFI recommended memory page

 

and the answer is..drum roll..Samsung UCC is in your memsticks, not infeons/aeneons!

 

See this page for this info

Samsung UCCC

- Maximum voltage needed is 2.8v

- 2.5-3-3-X @200Mhz

- 3-4-4-8 / 3-4-3-8 @250Mhz

- Maximum Overclock ~275Mhz

 

I was not aware of the locked multi on OPTYs but who knows everything? Heck, maybe my CAS or personal asynchronous refresh was set too low! BTW this does mean that you can bump the volts up a tad and perhaps get more stability.

Watercooling Rocks!! especially coupled with RAM coolers

 

Sorry I obviously wasn't clear. I know my RAM is samsung UCCC but that quote was from teamgroup and Im guessing then that samsung UCCC is "based on" infineon...blah blah.

 

Still, put my 700W OCZ GameXstreem in earlier as well as a new scythe drive bay intake fan and some fancy lighting :eek2:

 

More stable now (having said that, firefox just crashed on me hmmmm) as Prime blend usually fails within minutes or an hour at more than 325FSB and Im currently at 328 and ran PRime for a couple of hours no worries. A lot cooler too though my chipset seems to be hotter than before, maybe it's getting more volts/amperes who knows.

 

Where does everyone find the time to bench prime for 8 or 9 hours dang.....I need a second PC now lol

 

 

PS The link you provided here to the dfi recommended memory page - I have read it and *drum roll* thats how I chose my memory (based on what I could get and what I read) and always knew it was UCCC (as it says it in brackets next to it).

[elessar777]

The type of memory should have been a non-issue since it is clearly stated in the first post. :confused:

 

 

 

You may be able to squeeze 263MHz of them by adjusting the voltage in small amounts. But most UCCC chips regardless of brand, never needed more then 2.6V to reach their maximum overclock.

 

Using Memtest, you can try all the different combinations of DDS/DDDS to find the optimal one. After you try a few it should be obvious if the system likes odd or even DDS values. That will eliminate half of the ones you will need to try. You can also try various Tref values. 3684 is a good value to try for the Expert.

 

More importantly, contrary to what you have read and popular belief, 260MHz is the average overclock for UCCC chips. The higher you get above that the more uncommon it becomes to reach that speed.

 

This link is basically a database of settings for UCCC chips like yours.

 

G.Skill HZ/Any other UCCC (2x1024) 260+ please post here

 

 

Thanks Praz. That's the sort of information I was after. Please dont think Im lazy , I do use the search function but there are so many, many posts to go through I get a bit dizzy :-)

 

It's good to hear the 2.6V range is what works as that is what I have found to be the most stable. Why it says 2.6-2.8 on the packaging and relevant info on web pages etc is beyond me.

 

DDS/DDDS??? aha took me a few secs to pick up on that. Welll I have tried odd and even, and it's not really that obvious to tell the truth but I think even is working for me atm. Currently using level 06 and Level 3 reduce 15%. Info from teamgroup says 1 or 3 for DDDS so Im sticking with that for now. With so many combinations its a bit of mathematics and trial and error I know, but this being the first motherboard Ive had which (gladly) has these settings available I am in new territory so to speak.

[Guest erico]

Sorry I obviously wasn't clear. I know my RAM is samsung UCCC but that quote was from teamgroup and Im guessing then that samsung UCCC is "based on" infineon...blah blah.

 

Still, put my 700W OCZ GameXstreem in earlier as well as a new scythe drive bay intake fan and some fancy lighting :eek2:

 

More stable now (having said that, firefox just crashed on me hmmmm) as Prime blend usually fails within minutes or an hour at more than 325FSB and Im currently at 328 and ran PRime for a couple of hours no worries. A lot cooler too though my chipset seems to be hotter than before, maybe it's getting more volts/amperes who knows.

 

Where does everyone find the time to bench prime for 8 or 9 hours dang.....I need a second PC now lol

 

 

PS The link you provided here to the dfi recommended memory page - I have read it and *drum roll* thats how I chose my memory (based on what I could get and what I read) and always knew it was UCCC (as it says it in brackets next to it).

 

Prime95 -- start it running and just walk away LOL

 

I agree and found it the best way for my memory selection also. and Firefox... even the latest version does strange things sometimes. I still like it better than IE.

[elessar777]

Walk away from my computer ?? :sad:

 

Forgot to mention:- I dont have a life, lol. nah just kidding....I do but when Im not on the PC i dont like leaving it runnng prime in case it locks up or worse.

 

I will get round to priming for longer .....eventually

 

Trying your suggestion, PRaz, of 3684 for tRef...priming as we speak.....

 

Judging by what other people are running I felt my settings weren't possibly as tight as they should or could be, with the exception of MAL and RTP, so I tightened up Trc and Trfc to 7 and 14 respectively, which doesnt really subscribe to the - tRC = tRAS + tRP formula, but benchies are showing improved bandwidth with these two - though if they prove unstable Ill revert to previous 11-12/14-16 . Gotta say that's one other praise I have for the eXpert -CMOS reloaded :-D One word - awsome - using it every time ive found a stable setting and want to try something else out- if it doesnt work, just reload it! So cool!

 

Some people seem to be able to get 7 or lower with MAL. Dont know, perhaps it's a restriction of the opty? but as I may have stated before, anything below a MAL of 8 and i cant boot, not even post. 9 might seem like overkill? I f I set it to auto MAL is 12 and RPT is 9. I dont mind, doesnt really affect performance that much IMHO or am I wrong? Please correct me if so.

 

I usually had MAL=9 and RPT=7 or even 8 but perhaps the AUTO option adjusting it higher suggests stability will be increased, because by my way of thinking if MAL=9 is about as low as I can go with HTT over 300 then I am a bit close to the "edge" am I not? IE anything lower=no go, o in my philosophy go one higher just to be safe right?

 

Maybe I am completely missing something else here but as far as I can tell my system perforrms within norms, in fact darn, it runs damn good I reckon!

 

Reckon I'll not bother trying the 166 divider either PRaz, like you said in another of your posts,in so many words, RAM oc'ing is overrated. Staying within specs (ie under rated 500Mhz) is safer, cooler, more stable and less risky overall.

 

 

Shutting up now :-P