What do you compress music files to?
Posted 12 August 2006 - 06:59 PM
Posted 12 August 2006 - 07:17 PM
Posted 12 August 2006 - 07:22 PM
First some comments from my earlier posts on head-fi forum:
OK, It's been so many hours to figure out what way to follow and HOW to follow. I believe I need some help.
For last 2 days I have been reading, trying, and more reading. I have a 30gb creative zen xtra and decided to put my small music archive into it - around 100 cd's + some mp3's from net.
My journey started with windows media player, converted 15 cd's from wav to wma lossless and figured out that zen xtra doesnt support flac or wma lossless formats - first bumper with a direct complaint to creative in their forums.
Then found out that EAC + lame mp3 conversion offers best conversion to mp3. At this point, I decided to use "b320 vbr new..." comment and I believe that this would give me better results than WMA.
I actually tried 5 versions and listened them in my zen with PA2V2 amp and SR-80 / Senn HD201:
1) v0 vbrnew
2) v2 vbrnew
3) v0 (default vbr)
4) v2 (default vbr)
Test music was 5th song from Jaco Pastorius's debut album from 1976 (digitally re-mastered) - just a bass guitar and piano. To be honest, other than HD201's inferior quality against sr80, music sounded almost same to my ears, but decided to go with b320.
F10 settings: extraction mode: secure (clicked cached and C2 - after it tested my lite-on dvd writer), selected speed 40x, allow speed reduction during extracting, gap detection B, detection accuracy=accurate.
F11 settings: -b 320 --vbr-new --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" %s %d, bit rate 320 bits, high quality, uncheck "addID3 tag"
F9 settings: error recovery = high, external compression queue = 1
BUT after that I changed my mind and started using variable bits - why do you need constant 320 bits if there is a silence in the song for instance. Therefore:
Well, best way is listening right. I tried to compare them:
1) (320 cbr) >> burst mode + test/copy >>> 10.11 megabytes
2) (-V0 --vbr-new -b128 --lowpass 21 -q0 caused 236 vbr) >> burst mode + test / copy >>> 7.47 megabytes
Besides, both of them are done under a minute for Buena Vista Social Club's Chan Chan.
Well, either I am tired or biased but 2nd method sounded more sharp, kinda increased in high freqs.
On a positive note i tried: -V0 --vbr-new -b128 --lowpass 21 -q0 caused 236 vbr --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" %s %d (your recommended line merged with tag info and worked great - creative recognized everything
Tomorrow I will listen them again. Perhaps high bit vbr is the way to go...
By the way, I used zen xtra > pa2v2 > sr80
And finally I recommend you to use EAC with latest lame codec, MP3tag (for tagging if needed), and MP3gain (to normalize your songs).
Posted 12 August 2006 - 07:34 PM
For recording off of vinyl, I use a program called "Goldwave". Not the easiest to set up and use, but it does a great job of filtering out "pops" and "clicks" so commonly found on old albums with "100,000 miles" on 'em! (I have lots of stuff on vinyl that I'd never be able to find on CD.)
Posted 12 August 2006 - 09:25 PM
To play I use Good ol' Winamp and Media Player Classic.
Posted 12 August 2006 - 09:34 PM
Windows media player for me
Posted 12 August 2006 - 11:11 PM
p.s. like what milkshake said, you have to test with your ears to see what reaches the limit, it gets to a point where you can't defer...but my family being audiophiles/audio-aholics we have very nice audio equipment hooked up to everything that produces sound, and yes I can personally tell a difference
Posted 12 August 2006 - 11:33 PM
Who has the largest music collection? I'm sitting at 30GB right now, and with just getting my first iPod (2GB nano) as a gift, its pretty hard to decide what to put on it.
Posted 13 August 2006 - 01:46 AM
Posted 13 August 2006 - 03:29 AM
However I tried using my wifes factory supplied earphone on her Zen jukebox micro and I couldn't tell the difference betwenn 128 and 192!
I have listen to much on 320, and 128-320 VRB and for me there is little improvement over 192, so I now do all my encoding at 192! Excellent size/quality compromise.