What can a 3200XP Barton be OC'ed to?

[dupfold]

Hello

 

OK so I've spent all day trying to learn how to overclock but not having much success.

 

Heres my set up....

 

3200+ XP Barton

DFI Lanparty NF II Ultra B

2x Corsair VS512MB400

Thermaltake Extreme Volcano 12

 

Just so I have a baseline to aim at, what sort of speed should I be able to oc to with this CPU?

[loggan26]

Big mistake getting a 3200 and pairing it with an NF2, you should have got a mobile cpu....NOt suprised your not getting much success. What kink of ram is that?????Yes we see its corsair but is it 3200 / 3500/ etc etc......YOu dont say what bios your running and you dont say what kind of PSU etc in fact details you have given are pretty slim so a better descript would help .......

[dupfold]

soz, corsair 3200, 550PSU. Not sure bios no. where can I find that?

 

All I need to know for now was what sort of speed I could expect to take the 3200+ XP Barton up to, ie 2400MHZ, 2500MHZ etc.

 

Never even knew about mobile cpu until I came on here and saw a load of you have it - as I say complete newbie to oc so forgive me.

[TheGeekMistress]

well, we ca not forget there are many 3200+ cores out there that do overclock too, take Mazon's 3200+ for instance. with a bit-o-help from someone experienced with overclocking, me hehe, he's gotten his 3200+ toastered at 2.5ghz and he's got water now and he's running 2.6ghz. it's a desktop core so it's locked.

 

the thing i would suggest trying to keep a low FSB/Mem bus 1:1 and if it's a locked core thats fine. lossen up your ram timings to 2.5-3-3-11 and try bumping the FSB by 5mhz at a time. then test for stability.

 

there are many things you can try, this is just the tip of the iceberg. one advanced mod you might want to keep in the back of your mind is; there is a socket pin mod you can perform to force a fsb of 133 or 166. many people believe that the 200mhz DDR400 FSB cpu's and the DFI nf2 have some type of incompatibility.

 

but remember, there are many other things you can try b4 resorting to trying that pin mod.

 

use the search and do your research and post back here with things you have tried.

 

TGM

[loggan26]

Mmm true but there are alot more unhappy folks out there with 3200/UI-LPB setups than there are success storys, just being realistic is all .......again rather than me saying,,,,,,,,here is one from the pros on this forum.......

 

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread...hlight=3200+nf2

[dupfold]

thx guys. I really don't understand the ram timing at the mo but as soon as I find a guide on this I will read up.

 

At present got it running 12x200 - 1.80v which is stable. Tried the other way (decrease multiplier and increase FSB) but found that to be too unstable. 200MHz isn't to be grumbled at but I thought I would be able to get more than this, but after reading around it would appear to be the limit (for most newbies like me).

[TheGeekMistress]

thx guys. I really don't understand the ram timing at the mo but as soon as I find a guide on this I will read up.

 

At present got it running 12x200 - 1.80v which is stable. Tried the other way (decrease multiplier and increase FSB) but found that to be too unstable. 200MHz isn't to be grumbled at but I thought I would be able to get more than this, but after reading around it would appear to be the limit (for most newbies like me).

well, yours is unlocked, you must have a week 39 or 04 or older. back then most clockers were happy as pigs in mud to run a 200mhz FSB and 2.4ghz.... only they were doing it with 2500+ desktop cores so that was a really good OC.

 

my friend mazon has an older unlocked desktop 2500+ and all i could get out of it was around 2375~2450mhz; but it's unlocked. so the way to optimise an unlocked lower clocked core on the nf2 systems is to run up the FSB/Mem bus. always keep it at 1:1 ratio.

 

depending on the ram you have, you could run a 250mhz FSB/MEM bus using, for example: timings in order Loose = 11-3-3-3-2.5-14-17-4-4-6-4-3-3-5-2T using between 2.9~3.3vmem or if you have good BH5 ram, tight timings of 11-2-2-2-2.0-12-16--3-3-5-3-2-2-4-1T using 3.3vmem. the 1T and 2T timings are shown as Command Per Clock = enable/disable

 

i was able to tweak the older unlocked 2500+ barton core to just about the same settings as my even older unlocked 1700+ TBred core. which were 2.75ghz+ / DDR500 FSB/MEM bus using the tight timings i listed with my BH5 ram.

 

TGM

[dupfold]

depending on the ram you have, you could run a 250mhz FSB/MEM bus using, for example: timings in order Loose = 11-3-3-3-2.5-14-17-4-4-6-4-3-3-5-2T using between 2.9~3.3vmem or if you have good BH5 ram, tight timings of 11-2-2-2-2.0-12-16--3-3-5-3-2-2-4-1T using 3.3vmem. the 1T and 2T timings are shown as Command Per Clock = enable/disable

TGM

 

ok cool but I really have no understanding of the timing you talk about. Have do I see the timing in the bios? Soz if this is a lame questions, if so maybe you could point me in the right direction to learn about timings. I have searched but only come across oc instructions to do with FSB and the multiplier.

[medianOCer]

dupfold,

 

An unlocked 3200+, eh. You might be able to squeeze some pretty good

performance out of that.

 

Unsure about the RAM you have though, or how far you'd be able to clock it up.

You probably will need to find out what timings it would like. Are you able to see

the part numbers on the chips of each RAM stick? If so, can you look at a chip on

each of the sticks and post the complete part numbers in here? Or if you have

heatspreaders on the RAM sticks you could also post the full model/part numbers

in here too. We might be able to get a bit more info on the RAM sticks you have,

possibly.

 

On the BIOS version you're running, if you look at the bottom of the screen when

you get the first BIOS page (the page where you can hit DEL to enter the BIOS

setup) you should see something like 6/19/04, 7/28/04, 12/24/04, or some other

date which refers to the BIOS date/version you have currently, and at the bottom

left corner. There will be some other BIOS version type information listed just to

the right of it, but you really just need to focus on the date. Unless you have a

modded BIOS, then the date ought to be located there.

 

A few other things you might want to check in your BIOS configuration and set

them accordingly, if you have yet to:

Virus Warning = Disabled

CPU Thermal-Throttling = Disabled

DRAM DDR Clock = 1:1

AGP Clock (frequency) = 66 or 67MHz

 

Another consideration would be setting your Computer Type in Windows Device

Manager to Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC, instead

of the more common ACPI Uniprocessor PC type. If you do change the

Computer Type to the ACPI (ACPI) PC, then there's usually a couple, or a few,

reboots needed in order to get it setup in Windows, if you're running Windows.

 

I'd also check your SB (South Bridge) heatsink and see if it's getting hot at all.

If it is then you could look at removing it, if it still has the thermal tape under it,

and getting a better heatsink to put on it, or at least getting some better thermal

goop under the stock one for improved heat conduction/dissipation.

 

Looking at how your NB (North Bridge) is doing would be a good idea also, if you

have yet to do that too.

 

Nice to see you in here.

[TheGeekMistress]

well, here's some screen shots of the Lan Party B version mobo

 

http://www.angrygames.com/LP-B_BIOS1.htm

 

but they must be some really really old bios screen shots b/c they don't show the Alph timings at all.

 

what bios revision date are you using? this may be the problem.

 

also, to get at the Alpha timings you can use a program called nForce Tweaker. it's located on this forum somewhere. it's not the A64 Tweaker program, thats different. i believe Tic Tac makes the nForce Tweaker.

 

but if your bios is old, like 728 or older... you should really flash it to the 619 or 11/24 bios.

 

bios DL http://us.dfi.com.tw/Support/Download/bios..._FLAG=A&SITE=US

 

TGM

[medianOCer]

I'd try running your RAM sticks in slots 2 (middle slot) & 3 (furthest slot from the CPU) for dual

channel operation. 2.6v to 2.9v for your RAM would probably be enough to find out how fast it

will be able to run, and depending on the frequency you are trying to run. If you did have BH-5

chipped RAM, or other types of Winbond RAM, then you might need more voltage with tighter

timings to get them up and going, but before throwing over 2.9v to your RAM you'd

definitely want to know for sure what type of RAM chips you've got.

 

Here's some timings you could try with the RAM you have:

 

At or near 200MHz/400DDR and with 2.6v to 2.7v for the RAM. 1.6v Chipset ~

tRAS = 7, tRCDwrite = 3, tRCDread = 3, tRP = 3, CAS = 2.5, tRC = 10, tRFC = 13

or 8 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2.5 - 11 - 14

 

At or near 216MHz/433DDR and with 2.7v to 2.8v for the RAM, 1.6v Chipset ~

8 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2.5 - 11 - 14

or 9 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2.5 - 12 - 15

 

At or near 233MHz/466DDR and with 2.8v to 2.9v for the RAM, 1.7v Chipset ~

9 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2.5 - 12 - 15

or 10 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2.5 - 13 - 16

 

At or near 250MHz/500DDR and with 2.8v to 2.9v for the RAM, 1.7v to 1.8v Chipset ~

10 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2.5 - 13 - 16

or the settings TGM suggested, 11 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2.5 - 14 - 17

or possibly 11 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 2.5 - 14 - 17

 

She also mentioned setting the Alpha timings, which you may or may not have access

to and depending on the BIOS you currently have.

 

Here's the usual Alpha timing designations and with her recommendations for 250MHz/500DDR:

11 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 2.5 - 14 - 17 - (4 - 4 - 6 - 4 - 3 - 3 - 5 - 2T, see these below)

tDOE =4, tRRD = 4, tW2P = 6, tW2R = 4, tREXT = 3, tR2P = 3, tR2W = 5

Command Per Clock (CPC) = Disabled (2T) [if you have access to this option with

the BIOS you're running]

 

If you don't have a BIOS Savior or an extra BIOS chip(s), then it would be a good idea to look

into getting either of those. That way if you run into a no-boot situation and/or a corrupted BIOS

then you can recover from that. It's pretty common to run into having that problem when trying

to get some OCing or tweaking done.

[TheGeekMistress]

yah, i've d0rked my bios over 4 times already, but since many people IRL come to me for help building thier "new computer" i have the benefit of having a friend or two that have the same mobo i have so i can hot flash my bios.

 

but, i must say, i have never had a bad flash or any issues what so ever with my bios going bad from just doing an bios update flash. not to say others haven't had problems, just i haven't. and if you follow the flashing instructions posted as a sticky in the 32-bit thread, then i would say that you should not fear flashing your bios to update it.

 

OCer, i think that you might just be confusing him a little bit with all the timing info, altho you did a great job, very thorough.

 

i think he may have an older bios that doesn't even have the Alpha timings available to him. he says he doesn't see or understand where these bios settings are. so i'm thinking he has the old 7/28 or older bios which does not have the Alpha timings in it.

 

dupy, could you please follow the instructions that OCer posted on finding out what bios revision you are using? this will help a lot to get you going on your overclock.

 

TGM