NeilSouth Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Can a Monitor problem cause stuttering? , cant believe i still get stuttering after all this time I cured it with battlefield 2, but i have to have vsync enabled + directx tweaker triple buffering and NO frame rate drops below 60 any drop to say 58 and it stutters. Stragety games are the worst offender with scrolling across a map left or right keys or mouse! Though i got Suffering ties that bind us today from game and it was awful its just unplayable with this amount of stuttering, any motion forward or side to side stutter stutter. This problem started when i put the nvidia graphics card in my old system in this house , but since then the whole system is new and yes i have 2gb ram and yes ive tested another graphics card. Im thinking its my monitor though because i notice tearing on website flash's or movies, and when it stutters it tears. Im at a loss I wanted to do a fraps movie, but i cant afford paying it atm and just to do a movie -- Another thing i noticed, in my voltage display CPU-Z it goes 1.548,1.562,1.534,1.576 changing every second! i have tried 3 different psu's from the lowest to this high rated hyper Type R no difference... could it be house power sockets?. -- Tried Different Ide cables Different hard drive Different graphics card Different Psu Sound card in, sound card out Different ram corsair - Ballistix MANY MANY different bios settings Happened on two seperate motherboards Swap file all setup correctly, and changed to different settings to test it out, made no difference. Tried underclocking graphics / Cpu ... overclocking graphics / cpu Made no difference Tried tight ram timings, loose ram timings Made no difference Tried 25 different nvidia drivers Tried Different system drivers Mouse acceleration & polling rates changed nothing changed, even tried a ps2 mouse -------- Also if i burn a DIVX/XVID to a CDR for the dvdplayer it stutters ! -- In transport Tycoon, OpenTTD..... If i use the Arrow keys pressed down either left or right to make it scroll it goes jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk jerk Help me please, i nearly went into debt trying to fix this problem Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilSouth Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Fast Writes and Side band addressing was also disabled to test made no difference Ill give some abit of paypal money if they fix it for me, im desperate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOAethyr Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 This is a socket a platform correct, not an at64? Your sig says at64... Stuttering. Disabling vsync, there is no tripple buffering for d3d..., just ogl. Though you can enable tripple buffer by app. Can you post a link to that tweaker you use though?, so I can double check, if they got a working tripple buffer tweak for d3d, I'd like to see it. Downclocking, or overvolting the agp bus could help, or perhaps upp'ing the agp bus. Cooling the south bridge may help. Trying diff sound drivers may help. Are your hardrives reading or whatever at all during these stutters? Perhaps it's a latency issue if that's happening, something I don't expect you to fix. You have tons of ram, is the swapfile setup the same for min and max? Stuttering usually means: Hot south bridge, hot video card. Agp bridge clocked to low, agp bridge not getting enough voltage. Bad drivers, bad windows setup. Video card clocked to low, or perhaps the rig in general is clocked to low. Latency issues, agp, pci, sound or ide. Bad ide drivers come to mind, are you using the sw ide drivers? They add latency..., but are good for burst speeds or for forcing a udma speed. VCore flucation... Mine fluctuates up to .1. Say 1.55, goes from 1.52 to 1.60 I think. Socket a remember... I have an ocz powerstream 600w, and it fluctuates more then the old enermax 350w I had on certain things. But then again this is just bios readings, I don't have a dmm nor do I care right now, it's doing allright for the time being . Edit: You said: Also if i burn a DIVX/XVID to a CDR for the dvdplayer it stutters ! I have the same issue, only happened after I swapped psu's. After a while this broke in, some things are faster, while for now, mpeg2 playback is slower. Certiain playback of diff video are also affected when accessing the hd alot in the background. I've broke in most issues I've had with speed. But this mpeg2 playback with daemontools and such is still an issue for me. I don't get stuttering though. Just a sync offset that usually goes away after a while during playback. I don't have vsync enabled though and I have custom drivers and the like. Another edit: You said: Can a Monitor problem cause stuttering? , cant believe i still get stuttering after all this time Yes it can. to low of a refresh rate and screw over playback of certain types of video, especially capturing. I reccomend at least 75hz, 60hz will not do, it'll stutter, even hitch(meaning it stops completely for a period of time, a few secs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilSouth Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 This is a socket a platform correct, not an at64?Your sig says at64... Stuttering. Disabling vsync, there is no tripple buffering for d3d..., just ogl. Though you can enable tripple buffer by app. Can you post a link to that tweaker you use though?, so I can double check, if they got a working tripple buffer tweak for d3d, I'd like to see it. Downclocking, or overvolting the agp bus could help, or perhaps upp'ing the agp bus. Cooling the south bridge may help. Trying diff sound drivers may help. Are your hardrives reading or whatever at all during these stutters? Perhaps it's a latency issue if that's happening, something I don't expect you to fix. You have tons of ram, is the swapfile setup the same for min and max? Stuttering usually means: Hot south bridge, hot video card. Agp bridge clocked to low, agp bridge not getting enough voltage. Bad drivers, bad windows setup. Video card clocked to low, or perhaps the rig in general is clocked to low. Latency issues, agp, pci, sound or ide. Bad ide drivers come to mind, are you using the sw ide drivers? They add latency..., but are good for burst speeds or for forcing a udma speed. VCore flucation... Mine fluctuates up to .1. Say 1.55, goes from 1.52 to 1.60 I think. Socket a remember... I have an ocz powerstream 600w, and it fluctuates more then the old enermax 350w I had on certain things. But then again this is just bios readings, I don't have a dmm nor do I care right now, it's doing allright for the time being . Edit: You said: Also if i burn a DIVX/XVID to a CDR for the dvdplayer it stutters ! I have the same issue, only happened after I swapped psu's. After a while this broke in, some things are faster, while for now, mpeg2 playback is slower. Certiain playback of diff video are also affected when accessing the hd alot in the background. I've broke in most issues I've had with speed. But this mpeg2 playback with daemontools and such is still an issue for me. I don't get stuttering though. Just a sync offset that usually goes away after a while during playback. I don't have vsync enabled though and I have custom drivers and the like. Another edit: You said: Can a Monitor problem cause stuttering? , cant believe i still get stuttering after all this time Yes it can. to low of a refresh rate and screw over playback of certain types of video, especially capturing. I reccomend at least 75hz, 60hz will not do, it'll stutter, even hitch(meaning it stops completely for a period of time, a few secs). Wasnt sure where to post this... i used to have an nforce 2, that stuttered also with new ATI drivers i had to use old ati drivers to stop it stuttering, but with this system its a different ball game nothing thus far is helping!. Ive done EVERYTHING you suggested already in the past. I already know about the Vsnyc opengl blah blah lingo , as i beta test for directxtweaker had to research into it all http://www.nonatainment.de/web/default.aspx <- currently on an old version the latest beta supports many new things and works with punkbuster. But alas that only helps the problem with battlefield 2... Nothing else The ABIT AV8, i believe is a KT800 board I think! its the latest VIA chipset that supports amd 64 939 cpus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilSouth Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Would you be so kind as to move into the correct section? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
medianOCer Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Have you set your Graphics Aperture equal to, or 2x the amount of RAM on your 6800GT? With the nVidia drivers for your 6800GT, have you made sure you have set the refresh rate(s) to override the base 60Hz rate, and for all the resolutions you're running games and other apps at? Within each app/game you'd be running, have you configured each to use higher than 60Hz for a refresh rate, and as NEO mentioned? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilSouth Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Yes ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilSouth Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Ok guys this didnt happen last night, but ill go more into it now i just set forced 75HZ now openttd when side scrolling instead of stuttering was more juddering ie it wasnt as noticable yet at 60hz it was VERY apparant! So why is it stuttering at 60HZ side scrolling but less so at 75hz? Samsung TFT monitor , the problem is i can select 85HZ but the tft monitor comes up with a Auto Message saying this display mode is not supported and if i close the box it works ok for 10mins then the monitor automaticly shuts itself off. Because i cant keep fps shooters most of them at 75hz ie 75fps, because the frame rates drop to say 60 i get ALOT of hitching with Triple buffering forced through dxtweaker but at 60hz - 60fps because it doesnt drop below that i get no hitching. With TB off i get big laggy frame rate drops to 40fps such is the way with that low hz vsyncd.. Im royaly screwed in the arse with this :| Also at 75HZ it doesnt feel as quick in scrolling in my rts games or openTTD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
red930 Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 1. Have you installed the drivers for the monitor. Please don't get this confused with the drivers for the video card - they are different entities. 2. The maximum refresh for your monitor may be 85Hz, but possibly not at the resolution you are attempting to run. Check your manual for the specifications. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitemareglitch Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 You may also try setting this lcd panel to its naitive resolution to see if that helps. Samsung 913N / 915N in the US Diagonal measurement 19 inches Native resolution 1280x1024 Contrast 800:1 Brightness 300 cd/m² Latency 8ms Colors 16.2 M H/V viewing angles 160/160 Loudspeakers none Connectivity VGA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOAethyr Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 There's special timings in the nv display cpl for such things too. I'ts been along long time, but I met someone once that needed to use those things, there was a few apps that would'nt run correctly without chnaging the montior timings formula thingy, whatever it was called. Err, damn, there goes my color and sharpness boosts... Display mode timing . Try diffrent ones in here too. Defently set the lcd up to it's native res. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted January 26, 2006 Posted January 26, 2006 Would a dvi monitor help with this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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