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social welfare is not a bad thing

 

what is bad is that the humans that delve out the money to social welfare projects are the worst people who could be in charge of social welfare programs

 

 

where is all the money for these programs that is supposed to come in with all of these social welfare taxes?

 

ya, they go to morons from Alaska who want to build some stupid bridge to some stupid island that has like 100 residents...a friggin hundred million dollar project for 100 residents who simply take the ferry????

 

Pork Barrel Spending at it's best

 

FDR's implementation of social welfare was rooted in the best of intentions, and it was a feasible and excellent social program for a while...until politicians and special interests realized how they could profit from it.

 

Hey, we need a 10-lane freeway out here in Faroffistan, Wyoming.

 

Wait...aren't there like only 400,000 residents in Wyoming?

 

Yeah, but my contractor company that my brother owns needs that $2 billion gov't subsidized contract

 

 

 

People who cry that social welfare is a bad thing...are clueless. They blame the wrong things. They blame the social welfare when it isn't the social welfare that is the problem, it the people running it, and the people handing out the money that is the problem.

 

 

Not everyone in this country is going to be able to afford clothes and food and such. I got 'free lunch' in elementary and junior high school because we were so poor as to be at the bottom of the economic scale (almost negative if possible lol).

 

My mom tried her best, but two deadbeat fathers (my brother's father and my father) who wouldn't pay child support, along with school clothes, food, etc...made life very hard.

 

She was unskilled in most ways, and she DID try to go to college...but affirmative action coupled with the ridiculous red tape you have to go through to get student loans and grants made that dream nothing but a dream.

 

If it wasn't for Food Stamps and low-income housing we'd have been....well I don't know what we would have been, but it would have been worse than it was, I know that for sure.

 

I grew up with many other kids who's families were in depressed states because there were no jobs, and there were no cities close by where there were jobs, and even if there was a job like there were plenty up in Boise, there was no way to get there (too poor to have a car or a car that could make the 120 mile trip), but even worse, no money to find a place to stay to begin working up there.

 

People who have never had to worry about where their next meal comes from are the ones who rail against social welfare the most. People who cry that their tax dollars are going to feed lazy poor people are the ones who end up making policy, and all that policy does is hurt those on the lower economic ladders.

 

I won't deny that there are simply too many people who take advantage of the free government handouts. Social welfare from FDR is a lot different than the monster it has become today.

 

Back then, FDR and others wanted to make people work to earn money...it was never intended to just be a free handout. The government created all kinds of jobs so men could earn a wage (since back then, accepting charity was still very very taboo, unlike today where most people feel it is their right to get free handouts...what a changed world from those days) and feel like they were supporting their family.

 

 

Europeans...they aren't any different. A good number of EU countries though have done excellent job of transforming social welfare into an equality factor that can't be matched by us in the USA. Taxes are extreme to us Americans in the EU countries, but their standards of living are higher than ours.

 

Those tax dollars do go to social programs...everyone has a place to live, everyone has a chance for education without hassles, everyone is guaranteed some food, etc.

 

Sure it ain't perfect. No place is perfect or we'd all be living there.

 

But they've done a much better job of running their social welfare programs than we have.

 

I, unlike a lot of americans, would gladly pay much higher taxes as long as I was guaranteed health care, housing, food, etc.

 

And before you cry that social medicine is worse than ours, think again. A lot of EU countries have better healthcare than we do. Sure we make all the great advances, but their quality of medical care is generally better than ours (since doctors tend to do it more for the sake of helping instead of here where it is all about stuffing as many patients into a day as possible to pay for that Lexus and new boat and third wife's alimony payment).

 

Every single European I have ever talked to . about the taxes

 

but

 

Every single European that I have ever talked to doesn't really mind the taxes because of hte benefits it brings, and rarely will you find one that finds America's way of doing things anything short of idiotic.

 

Keep in mind that there's two very different cultures at work (us and them).

 

We Americans...we classy lady about taxes no matter how many tax breaks we get. And it is always the ones who make more money that cry about their taxes. Oh boo hoo get over it, you already live well, shouldn't you do a little something like help those below your economic level?

 

You give at church to help the poor...why is it so hard to help the poor in other ways...doesn't the church doctrine state that you should give a portion of your income to help those less fortunate? But somehow when it is the government making you do it you complain endlessly?

 

But at the same time, I can see the point of complaining...since the government could't find their butt with 4 satellites, a mapping crew, and 16 engineers telling them exactly where their butt was located.

 

Like all things in the world I guess, there has to be balance...and honestly, the government of ANY country or society is NEVER going to have any kind of balance other than the balance achieved during the construction of the government.

 

ie: when a new civilization or country is formed, everything is usually in perfect balance...but within a few years, the human nature of the those in charge of the government ruin that balance...because humans by nature are power-hungry and greedy, especially after they taste power.

 

Well, I'm just a guy who likes to complain, and I look at things from both sides of the fence, unlike a lot of people who only see black and white. They can't see that EVERYTHING has two sides, and those sides are often blurred at the crossover points.

 

Very little in life is completely black and white other the common sense things like "murder is bad" and "stealing is bad" but even then I suppose there could be some blurring of the lines

 

ie: what if you murdered someone who a power-mad crazy person who planned on releasing bio-toxins into a city's water supply? Wouldn't murder be a GOOD thing then? What if you stole money from a corporation that made products that they knew were dangerous and lied about the dangers, and used that money to help the victims of that company's products that were lied to about the dangers of such a product? Wouldn't that be a GOOD kind of stealing?

 

 

our problem these days is not enough of us take time to really think about something. We simply blurt out how we FEEL or what we've been programmed to think by either our parents, spouse, government, the media, etc.

 

If more people took time to really really sit down and think about issues from both sides, there'd be a lot less bs going on in the world, and a lot more compromise.

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hi ya Happy.

was wondering who i have to get permission from to get a patch made up of the dfi street emblem to sew onto my shirt (NOT for profit).

this is my own personal shirt (denim no doubt - heheh).

thank you

 

 

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well, once we get a real logo for the street, then it will be ok to sew it onto your underwear if you want

 

right now, there's just not a real logo so just hold on ;)

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The capital to invest in new transportation models exist right now. It's the major oil companies that are doing it with the profits from their operations.

 

British Petroleum, Royal Dutch Shell and Exxon Mobile are all working their way out from under fossil fuels. They fund research in Fuel Cell and battery technology. They own wind turbine companies as well as solar cell production facilities.

 

I'm all for switching to Electric/Hybrid vehicles as soon as making the electricity isn't as "dirty" as burning gasoline in my car.

 

There's a great model for future urban transportation in a company called Net Jets.

 

Let's say that we have a bunch of new nuclear plants, wind farms and solar farms pumping out cheap clean electricity. We all have nice electric cars with a 100 mile range. That's great for commuting and getting around but sometimes you need to pull a boat or travel trailer or you need to get everyone into a van for a trip to Grandma's house once a month. We could own shares in trucks and vans for when we needed them.

 

Much like you rent a U-Haul van when you have to move but on a much more frequent basis.

 

This provides the transportation when you need it without the constant use of such a vehicle for trips to soccer practice and the grocery store around town.

 

Fractional ownership gives you access to a customized fleet of vehicles so you only pay for what you need.

 

But who am I kidding? The oil companies are still buying those 200 mile per gallon carburetors and storing them next to the Arc Of The Covenant so you can't trust them. LOL

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Here is the problem with the welfare state: it destroyes incentives. Helping people is not inherently bad. Helping people in ways that destroy incentives is bad. Welfare destroys incentives. Socialized medicine destroys incentives on multiple fronts (it encourages consumers to overconsume and it removes the incentive for providers to compete with each other).

 

It's an ugly fact of life, but compassion for one's fellow man is not what drives most of the world. What drives most of the world is man's (or woman's) desire to better his/herself. Why does it take so long to see a doctor in Canada? Because the US is far more attractive to Canadian doctors because their take-home pay isn't dictated to them like it is under socialized medicine. Parallel to that is that when the true cost of a good or service is obfuscated (specifically, when the paid cost is artificially lowered from the true cost) from the consumer, overconsumption is guaranteed to happen. So, you combine a short supply of doctors with an artificially inflated demand (through artificially deflated price) and you have the mess that Canada has.

 

You can see the beginnings of it today in the US. Go to an ER in a city (which is often the only place to get medical attention after hours, whether you have your own insurance or are under a social program) and, unless you are in immediate danger of dying, you could wait for hours to see a doctor. Why? Because the cost is artificially lowered for people with lower incomes, which encourages overconsumption. This lowers the quality of care for everyone.

 

Europe: Europe's growth in GDP has stagnated over the last 20 years, particularly in the Scandinavian countries that are so often pointed to as models for social-economic policies. The one exception is Ireland, which has deregulated many industries, privatized many industries, and has cut many taxes. Ireland has gone from being Europe's poorest country to being the 4th richest in the industrialized world, based on GDP per capita.

 

Source: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/510

 

Eliminating social programs (and the taxes that fund them) actually helps the lower classes by providing increased capital to employers and potential employers.

 

I am starting to believe that FDR's programs made the Depression worse instead of helping it. I definitely believe that creating the Social Security program was one of the biggest American blunders of the 20th century; unfortunately, it will be well into the 21st century before we see why (a government program that can't adapt to changes in the market (i.e. an 8 fold drop in the worker:retiree ratio over the last 60 years)? Impossible! :rolleyes: ).

 

The full disclaimer: I have, in fact, never had to worry about where my next meal is coming from. Money was a little tight for a few years after my parents divorced, but never uncomfortably so (or so I remember; I was only 10). I have a college degree and am gainfully employed in my field. I do subscribe to the property-rights side to the socialism debate (i.e. "It's my money; I shouldn't be forced by the government to help people") but I believe the practical side (i.e. "socialism hurts people more than it helps, and it disproportionately hurts poor people by keeping them poor") has the more compelling arguments of the two.

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But who am I kidding? The oil companies are still buying those 200 mile per gallon carburetors and storing them next to the Arc Of The Covenant so you can't trust them. LOL

 

I knew we'd get you to fess up ER!!!!!! Those bastards!!!

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well, once we get a real logo for the street, then it will be ok to sew it onto your underwear if you want

 

right now, there's just not a real logo so just hold on ;)

 

 

was actually thinking of this.its pretty cool

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HG and I were talking about the social welfare programs in general on the phone Sunday.

 

I related to him that the "projects" in New Orleans were wiped out by Katrina and slated for demolition.

 

The new plan is to buy houses throughout the city and use them for low income families. This plan has worked with great success in Chicago and Cleveland. The same groups that manage the programs in those cities are involved in the New Orleans plan.

 

We're even doing it on the Gulf Coast so low income families will have a yard for the kids to play in. With so many homes destroyed and the owners not able to rebuild for lack of flood insurance or just not wanting to take the chance that it could happen again, there are so many possibilities.

 

Now I'm not kidding, hundreds of people showed up to protest the demolition of the housing projects. Maybe thousands!

 

Here's the rub! These people don't know any other way of life. They've been on welfare from the time they were born. Now they're at retirement age and they still depend on welfare.

 

They're so afraid of going out into the real world that they'd rather live in a housing project.

 

It's insanity I tell you, INSANITY!

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Do away with all social welfare programs and just get those needy families on the "teary eyed" network television programs and let the rich networks build them a new home.

 

I've got a few personal friends who've made the state run welfare programs their "career". Now, I love them as friends, but give me a break. Where's the equality when someone that pays next to zero in Federal Income Tax gets a check for $1300 dollars or more just because they are baby making machines. Personally I'm totally in favor of welfare to work programs. If you can't get a job in five years you shouldn't be procreating.

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Not everyone is like your friends. Not everyone is going to be able to get on television. Social welfare was meant for these people. We are far too wealthy a nation to let citizens starve because we are afraid of getting ripped off.

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Well, I refuse to believe that there isn't a job for EVERY single person that wants one here in the United States. Will that be their "dream job"? NO.

 

My personal conviction is that there IS a job for every person that wants one. Why do you think we have an illegal immigration problem?

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If there isn't a spare job (yeah right), this is definitely the country to create them, nowhere else is it as easy to go into business for yourself. Look at the guy who came up with the Pooper Scooper business (I don't remember the exact name), but he drives around from town to town cleaning up your dog's poo. I know it's a sh!t job (pun intended), but you know what, beats eating out of garbage cans, and dying of pneumonia in the streets. before your 50.

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