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i like Thermaltake Big Typhoon :D cools like crazy :D even cools the mosfets etc... too bad its freakin huge... so i guess thats why its not on the list, eh? :P

 

I am going to be setting up my NF4-D soon, (just need to get the CPU, RAM and Video next week) but right now I'm still on my Intel D865 PERL with a P4 3.2 and the Big Typhoon works great!

 

The BT is supposed to be compatible with both K7 and K8 applications, so I hope I don't run into trouble...I like my Big Typhoon! :D It keeps my Prescott P4 around 38-40°C idle (36° if the room is cooler) and about 52° on load (which is the best I've been able to achieve), so I'm looking forward to even cooler temps on my 3700+ San Diego.

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I use a Zalman CNPS9500 on my modded Ultra-D NF4, only slight concern being the weight so I'm extra carefull when moving it. I wouldn't recommend them for lanparties though as not only are they heavy but there's a lot of leverage with all that copper being so far away from the fulcrum...

 

Also of slight concern is how the heatpipes work...Fine if the Rig is laying flat but in a tower?

 

The only other issue with mine would be that due to using Corsair Xpert series Ram I've had to mount it so the fan blows upwards (in tower config) but the upside is this actually cools the ram nearest the CPU!

 

Every cloud has a silver (or maybe Copper!) lining!

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I know this is an old thread, but since Stonekiller brought it to the fore..

this has been itching my butt lately.....

 

how loud is a certain amount of dBa....??

 

like 20-30-40-50.........

 

so i noe actually how loud that wouold beeeeeeee!!

 

**NICE GUIDE!!!

Go here to check out some differing fans in operation.

 

Also @davidhammock200: Question: In the guide you state that the only recommended hs's for DTR A64s are the Swifty and AlphaPAL, yet at the bottom you state that the Thermalright SI-120 fits all known mobos.. Reason I ask is I'm an unashamed Thermalright fanboy :P and want to know if this will work on a DTR A64..

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Can you recommend a better heatsink fan for my retail Opteron heatsink? I am currently using the one that came with the retail cpu

 

How about a Model FFB0812SHE [ DC 12v, .87A, -F001Z06B ] which I have here from an unused AX7? Would this cool better than the one supplied by amd?

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Can you recommend a better heatsink fan for my retail Opteron heatsink? I am currently using the one that came with the retail cpu

 

How about a Model FFB0812SHE [ DC 12v, .87A, -F001Z06B ] which I have here from an unused AX7? Would this cool better than the one supplied by amd?

 

David, are you around :)

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What I know is that Freezer 64 Pro when installed into Ultra-D, SLI-DR, those motherboards' CPU socket rotated 90 degrees, it will block the first orange DIMM slot.

 

I would like to know what kind of mod is needed and minimum to fit in a RAM in that slot.

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I was under the impression that the Opteron 165, 170, 175 had very high quality heatsinks, and would OC well without needing to purchase a spearate Thermalright XP-90 or some other cooler.

 

Could someone confirm or deny this?

 

Thank you!

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If you are NOT going to Over Clock (OC):

 

The HS’s provided by AMD in the desktop retail factory boxes are pretty good HS’s, far better than factory boxed HS’s use to be. If you are not OC’ing these should be good enough in most situations WITH good case cooling and many times they require only the addition of a better fan to do an excellent job of cooling.

 

The cheaper, lower rated A64’s have lesser HS’s included than the more expensive, higher performing A64’s and the factory boxed FX's even has a Heat Pipe HS included!

 

If you are not going to Over Clock (OC) I recommend that you buy a Retail Boxed Desktop A64 and use the HS and Thermal Interface Material (TIM) (AKA: paste, grease, goo, stuff, etc.) provided by AMD, following the mounting instructions provided by AMD, this keeps your 3-year warranty intact.

 

If you want quiet cooling, then I recommend that you use one of the high performance HS’s recommended in the OC’ing section, but with a quiet, high CFM fan running at a low speed.

 

If you ARE going to Over Clock (OC):

 

For OC’ing we are going to try to always keep our CPU temps under 40C at idle and under 50C at load. Obviously the case temp MUST be under 40C to start with and the room temp even lower. If the case temp is too high, we cannot achieve these desired numbers. Good case cooling is where we start.

 

For the purpose of selecting and mounting a Heat Sink (HS) for A64 CPU’s, we will treat the various sockets (S754, S939 & S940) as being the same, we will differentiate between Desktop CPU’s having an Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS) and the Desk Top Replacements (DTR) & the Mobiles (M) which DO NOT have an Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS). All Mobiles (M) mount the same way as the Desk Top Replacements (DTR).

 

We will also address the two types of mounting available for A64 HS’s, those that clip-on to the CPU bracket and those that use the 4-hole through Mother Board (MoBo) mounting.

 

So we have:

 

(A) Desktop A64 with MoBo mounting.

 

(B) Desktop A64 with clip-on mounting.

 

© DTR A64 with MoBo mounting.

 

(D) DTR A64 with clip-on mounting.

 

HS Selection:

 

(1) Make sure that the HS is designed for an A64, this seems obvious, but we do have people trying to mount AXP HS’s on A64’s; “There AMD’s right?”

 

(2) The A64 is a high performance CPU and it deserves decent cooling. If you have a DTR or M you must get an aftermarket HS, as all DTR’s & M’s are OEM only. If you are going to Over Clock (OC) your desktop A64 then you will probably want a better HS at some point. You can get by for a while with factory HS, with good case cooling and a higher Cubic Feet per Minute (CFM) HS fan.

 

(3) Quiet cooling can be achieved for mild to moderate OC’s by using the best possible HS, with the quietest possible high CFM fan. For Extreme OC’ing, quiet will require more exotic cooling methods.

 

(4) For desktop A64’s any HS labeled, for the A64 CPU should fit properly, this is NOT true for DTR A64’s.

 

For Desktop A64’s the Recommended HS’s include the:

 

Thermalright XP-90 http://www.thermalright.com/default.htm

 

Thermalright SI-97A http://www.thermalright.com/default.htm

 

Thermalright SI-120: http://www.thermalright.com/default.htm

 

Thermalright XP-120 http://www.thermalright.com/default.htm

 

Swiftech MCX6400-V http://www.swiftnets.com

 

Alpha PAL8150T http://www.micforg.co.jp/en/cat_opterone.html

 

Thermaltake Silent Boost http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/venus/rs/a1838.htm

Thermaltake Silent Boost includes a 27.5-CFM Fan and is not suitable for Extreme OC’ing.

 

Swiftech also offers the MCX64-V which includes Quiet Delta Fan and is not suitable for Extreme OC’ing.

 

Alpha also offers the PAL8150-M81 which includes Quiet Delta Fan and is not suitable for Extreme OC’ing.

 

Alpha also offers the PAL8150-M82 which includes Very Quiet Sanyo Fan and is not suitable for Any OC’ing.

 

There are many other HS available and many of these HS’s are also very good.

 

No other Thermaltake HS's can be recommended due to their weight and mounting method.

 

The Thermalright XP-90C is NOT recommended due to its weight combined with clip-on mounting.

 

Large, Heavy, Tower HS’s are NOT recommended due to their weight and bulk. If you are an expert, then go for it, but the mounting of these monsters is beyond the scope of this guide.

 

HS Test & Reviews: http://www.overclockers.com/topiclist/inde...WS%20AND%20TIPS (very helpful)

 

For DTR A64’s the ONLY RECOMMENDED HS’s are the:

 

Swiftech MCX6400-V http://www.swiftnets.com

 

Alpha PAL8150T http://www.micforg.co.jp/en/cat_opterone.html

 

Swiftech also offers the MCX64-V which includes Quiet Delta Fan and is not suitable for Extreme OC’ing.

 

Alpha also offers the PAL8150-M81 which includes Quiet Delta Fan and is not suitable for Extreme OC’ing.

 

Alpha also offers the PAL8150-M82 which includes Very Quiet Sanyo Fan and is not suitable for Any OC’ing.

 

The reason that these are the only recommended HS’s for the DTR’s is because in addition to providing excellent cooling, they fit without requiring modifications.

 

A thin silver or copper shim can always be placed between the CPU & the HS,

if required to assure proper contact. I would rub some AS5 in to both sides of the shim.

 

In all cases MoBo’s without metal back plates meeting AMD’s spec will require the addition of an AMD spec. metal back plate. Gigabyte MoBo’s with plastic back plates require back plate replacement.

 

HS Mounting:

 

Lapping: Alpha & Swiftech HS’s should never require lapping due to their ultra high quality finish, if the finish is not to this standard an RMA may be in order. Thermalright HS’s are also finished to a high standard and can rarely be improved by lapping. Thermaltake HS’s can often be improved by lapping.

 

TIM: When mounting a HS, the use of a Thermal Interface Material (TIM) (AKA: paste, grease, goo, stuff, etc.) is required. I recommend the use of Arctic Silver 5 (AS5) or Arctic Silver Ceramique (ASC); these are both excellent & proven products. AS5 usually provides slightly lower temps but requires reapplication every 1 to 2 years.

 

Complete Information & Instructions: http://arcticsilver.com (very helpful)

 

(A) Desktop A64 with MoBo mounting:

 

Instructions for Thermalright HS’s: http://www.thermalright.com/default.htm (very helpful)

 

Instructions for Swiftech HS’s: http://www.swiftnets.com (pdf)

 

Swiftech by "Impaqt" Instructions with Photos: http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/show...11&postcount=50

Thank you "Impaqt"! (Very Helpful)

 

Instructions for Alpha HS’s: http://www.micforg.co.jp/en/cat_opterone.html (pdf)

 

Instructions for Thermaltake HS: http://www.thermaltake.com/support/support.asp (very helpful)

 

(B) Desktop A64 with clip-on mounting:

 

Instructions for Thermalright HS’s: http://www.thermalright.com/default.htm (very helpful)

 

Instructions for Thermaltake HS: http://www.thermaltake.com/support/support.asp (very helpful)

 

Instructions for XP-90: http://www.ocia.net/reviews/xp90/page1.shtml (very helpful)

 

© DTR A64 with MoBo mounting:

 

Thermalright: http://www.thermalright.com/default.htm (very helpful)

 

Swiftech: http://www.swiftnets.com (pdf)

 

Swiftech by "Impaqt" Instructions with Photos: http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/show...11&postcount=50

Thank you "Impaqt"! (Very Helpful)

 

Alpha: http://www.micforg.co.jp/en/cat_opterone.html (pdf)

 

HS Test & Reviews:

 

Test: 25 CPU coolers: http://www.behardware.com/articles/568/page32.html

 

Over 50 HS's Tested & Ranked: http://www.overclockers.com/topiclist/inde...WS%20AND%20TIPS

 

5X A64 Cooling Solutions: http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=135

 

Alpha PAL8150: http://www.systemcooling.com/alpha_pal8150-01.html

 

Alpha PAL8150: http://www.technoyard.com/hardware/miscell...150/page_1.html

 

Swiftech MCX64-V & MCX6400-V: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=91&type=expert&pid=2

 

Swiftech MCX64-V & MCX6400-V: http://www.3dgameman.com/vr/swiftech/mcx64..._review_03.html

 

Swiftech MCX64-V & MCX6400-V: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjAxLDE=

 

Swiftech MCX64-V: http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/hardware/1456_1.html

 

Swiftech MCX6400-V: http://www.insanetek.com/index.php?page=swift6400v

 

Swiftech MCX6400-V: http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/cooling/a...00v/index.shtml

 

Thermalright SLK-948U: http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/hardware/1332_1.html

 

Thermalright SLK-948U: http://www.cluboverclocker.com/reviews/hea...right/slk-948u/

 

Thermalright SLK-948U: http://www.a1-electronics.net/Heatsinks/20...48U_Mar04.shtml

 

Thermalright XP-90: http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews...ht_XP-90_1.html

 

Thermalright XP-90: http://www.systemcooling.com/thermalright_xp-90-01.html

 

Thermalright XP-90: http://www.ocia.net/reviews/xp90/page1.shtml

 

Thermalright XP-90: http://www.ocmodshop.com/default.aspx?a=222&p=631

 

XP-90 on LGA-775: http://www.legionhardware.com/html/doc.php?id=342

 

XP-90 on LGA-775: http://www.overclockers.com/articles1094/

 

XP-90C on LGA-775: http://www.overclockers.com/articles1211/

 

Where To Buy HS's, Fans, Fan Controllers, Adaptors & Other Cooling Supplies:

 

new egg: http://newegg.com

 

Heatsink Factory: http://heatsinkfactory.com/cgi-bin/HFAstore.pl

 

FrozenCPU: http://frozencpu.com

 

SVC: http://www.svc.com/

 

Jab-tech: http://www.jab-tech.com/catalog/index.html

 

Xoide: http://www.xoxide.com/

 

Panaflo fans in UK & EU: http://www.dorothybradbury.co.uk/

 

FANS:

 

Performance Fan Comparison on XP-90: http://www.mikhailtech.com/modules.php?nam...t&id=143&page=1

(Found by "kev182", Thank You!)

 

Impaqt's Recomended Fans Addendum: http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/show...02&postcount=64

 

My Personal Fan Recommendation: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/pa92ulhisp.html

 

Sidewinder Computers: Panaflo Fans: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/paaxfa1.html

(Found by "DNAtoByte", Thank You!)

 

Delta: http://www.delta.com.tw/product/cp/dcfans/dcfans_main.asp

 

Panasonic PanaFlo: http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/applia...naflo_axial.htm

 

Papst: http://www.papst.de/english/products_lueft...fter_start.html

 

Vantec: http://www.vantecusa.com/product-cooling.html

 

I hope that everyone finds this both useful & helpful. :)

 

Recommendations, comments & suggestions would be greatly appericated.

 

Thanks,

Dave :angel:

 

Final Recommendations:

 

Thermalright XP-90 (under $30) with a 92mm Panaflo 48CFM, 57CFM or 68CFM Fan.

 

48CFM = Quiet Cooling

57CFM = Good Balance Between Cooling & Noise

68CFM = Max Cooling

 

If you must have even more air cooling, the new Thermalright SI-120 fits all known mobos &

will accept 120mm fans up to 220CFM, which will provide for some RAM & MOSFET cooling. :nod:

 

The Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 has mounting problems with some DFI mobos!

 

WOW I say STICKY

 

Thanks man this has been very helpful to me

 

I appreciate your hard work

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