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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    P8717 have not got over a 9000 score currently have gpu 1.2v/1.618v mem, 1100MHz/1575Mhz(6300), Afterburner is maxed as far as frequency spectrum goes I have seen 1250/7600 on the web. I believe that a water-block and radiators would be needed to run that all the time without wearing out the fan on the heat-sink. The side fan I have configured through speed fan to turn on and ramp up after 50C GPU temp. The GPU fan will not turn on until 50C. I figured this would save the lifespan of both fans as well as reduce noise, and dust intake. Haven't got around to getting a correct filter for the side intake. My homemade one was full of fail. Any suggestions?
  2. P9970 3DMarks Got a P9974 but failed to save the URL because the system crashed afterwards thats why wasn't in history in Google Chome either. Basically a P10,000 3D MARK11 BASIC for this ~$1500 dollar build.[edit March 16, 2012] Not going to go any further and go to my 24/7 settings for BF3 1337/1806MHz(7224MHz eff.) @ 1187/1700mV. Equates to 36.4G/Pixel/s Fillrate, and 364GB/s VRAM bandwidth at 125.GTexels. Temps never go to 73C and the fan speed on the GPU fan rarely goes over 74% power. P9689 3DMarks P9689 @ 1198/7224eff(1806)Mhz 1.3v/.1.7v , hits max 79C during 3DMark11 bench. P9412 3DMarks Hit 71C during benchmark test that led to the score at the top. 3000RPM side fan hitting 2800 rpm and doing a good job to a non-OC version of sapphire card only working around 70% speed at 70C gpu. 80C would enable 100% gpu fan which I do not want to wear out like my 4870 sitting in the closet. Rather the thing turn off due to heat protection. LOL AT MEMORY BANDWIDTH 364GB/s, PCIe3.0 is probably coming in handy now. 1st I would like to argue LGA2011, look at LGA1366 x58 came out 3 years ago, triple channel DDR3. DDR4 will be out in mass around late 2014, very expensive and will only have duel channel. Quad channel DDR3-2400 Mhz kit with a "knights corner"(lga2011 die size) 50 core or similar lga2011 future socket. I will upgrade my CPU from a i7-3820 to 32+ core processor, and upgrade ram to 64 GB DDR3-2400mhz about 3 months before "project titan" comes out in late 2015 imo. i7-3820 has native pcie 3.0 to work with 7950. This is a bang for your buck almost max performance budget system with tons of options to add as of 02/03/2012. Could add 2 low-profile fans on the side and another one on the heat-sink in push/pull configuration. The case has 11.4" or 29cm of GPU headroom and includes 3 fans , 120, 2x 140; for $60 haven't seen a better deal.02/07/2012 edited, LAST EDIT BEFORE PURCHASE 02/08/2012 02/14/2011 CPU will not be coming until begining of March! Unreal 4 engine will be used by most next gen games and uses 2.5 Tflops, the 7950 has 2.8+ Tflops. $55 Rosewill CHALLENGER U3 3xfans inc.---------------------------------------------B003YVJJ5Y-U3 version $189 x79ma-gd45 (2x PCIe3.0x16)--------------------------------------------------------X79MA-GD45 $100 PC Power and Cooling Silencer 760W----------------------------------------------PPCS760 $35 COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO---------------------------------------------------RR-212E-20PK-R2 $330 i7-3820 OC to 4.2+ can go 4.8GHZ -------------------------------------------------BX80619I73820 $57, native FSB of 1600, XMP 1.3 G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (4 x 2GB)-------F3-12800CL9Q-8GBZL $166 120Gb SSD Cosair Force Series 3 Solid State Drive-----------------------------CSSD-F120GB3-BK $450 SAPPHIRE HD 7950 -------------------------------------------------------------------11196-00-40G $13 Scythe "ULTRA KAZE" 120 x 38 mm Case Fan---------------------------------DFS123812-3000 $0 OS WIN 7 64bit OEM, $77 is what I paid for a Dell OEM works fine, Win8 beta I might try out as well TOTAL ~$1395 w/o OS Win7-64b before shipping after rebates. $1530 TOTAL w/ OS+S/Handling ================================================================================================ ACCESSORIES $40 Razer Arctosa Gaming Keyboard- Silver ------------------------------------------------RZ03-00260100-R3U1 $450 Samsung SyncMaster-----------------------------------------------------------------------S23A950D $19 Accell UltraAV Mini DisplayPort to DisplayPort Cable------------------------------ B119B-007J $35 rechargeable batteries 4x lir2025 and charger for 3d glasses--------------------PST-LC20 & $5ea LIR2025 x 4 (25mAhs of rechargeable cannot meet the 140mAh demand that a disposable puts out for 3D glasses) $58 for SH-B123L bluray-ROM combo---------------------------------------------------------SH-B123L $180 Razer tiamat 7.1 (10 speaker headset)--------------------------------------------------N/A $28 Samsung 3D Active Glasses (extra pair)-------------------------------------------------SSG3100GB $46 Razer Deathadder Infrared Gaming Mouse----------------------------------------------RZ01-00151400-R3 $18 SteelSeries 4HD Professional Gaming Mouse Pad----------------------------------n/a ~$888 after shipping --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~$2291 GRAND TOTAL w/ shipping Prices have been updated at of 2/03/2012. Around $2300 but the accessories are really not the machine itself.. Could be considered a $1400 machine with competitiveness for a reasonable price but most would opt in to buying another OS. I plan on just re-installing Vista on this machine and using my copy of Win7 64 for gaming. Love to hear some feedback on this build. I know 2500k OC system would be cheaper and give more performance if the money went to getting like x-fire 7950s but I am getting future compatibility PCIE3.0 possible Ivy bridge extreme and even this "Knights Corner" type chip in the LGA2011. 120GB is not much but if you were to only install OS and BF3 and another game you would have a little room left. Planning on storing a lot of my raw data and files no used much on networked drives on other computers such as this one until I get maybe a 2nd 120 and Raid 0 or 1 them. =) Another tidbit is that Nvidia will be releasing some cards in March which could drive prices down more depending on Kepler performance. Micro-stuttering scares me into getting some duel 6950s or other setup which would have better fps then a single 7970, I know about the Vsync + Fps limiter that is to be set at 59.95 fps or something. Which wouldn't be bad having 30FPS per eye image upscaled to 120hz. Now that I think about it going with 2x 6950s with unlocked shaders is like a 6970, So almost a 6990s performance for 300-400 bucks. Beating both 7950 and 7970 but those can do MSAA alot better as well as tessellation, but if the next gen games are not going to be using GCN architecture and going with VLIW4. GCN offers more GPGPU computing for physics and shadows but the 3820 OC will compensate. Then again battlefield has used over 2GB in Vram as well as the 384bit bandwidth is a plus. Dx11.1 is just more GPGPU performance increase. Though by the time you had to upgrade to new cards XDR2 will offer double bandwidth and improve performance substantially before xfiring a 7950 with another 7xxx series. This will be a debate that will be bothering me a while. Update 2/3/2012 , going with 7950 uses less power and no microstuttering, AMD to release drivers that improve the GCN preformance, but that is something I will look up on later. Update 2/05/2012, mini display port to display port for a solid additional 32+12bits of color 120hz 1080p signal I would Imagine this effect contrast slightly as HDMI 1.4a but HDMI 1.4a can do full 1080p 3d but is not supported on S23A950D but is on the 7950.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Hello everyone again I have completed my build and now have it running stable at 4430MHz for the I7-3820 44x multi, Bus base 103, Volts 1.4, usually under 40C. 1600MHZ OC with the 103 bus , so not even 100Mhz difference to 1700mhz, I have 9-9-9 timings still but intend to back off when I hit a 10 then I will feel optimized with the CPU. I have the non-OC edition Sapphire 7950 @ 1.1V/1.62V 1044MHz/1575MHz(300GB/s) <--limit of Afterburner, I just played BF3 in Ultra minus 2xMSAA for 3 hours straight with a lowest fps rarely being in the 50s. MSAAx4 doesn't look too much difference I and I would rather I have the FPS not dipping in the upper 30's on rare occasions. In inner areas the FPS was so high that screen tearing started to drive me crazy so I turned on v-sync. Now it will stay between 55-90 fps with Vsync, Ultra, -2xmsaa. 3D on Ultra msaa4x goes into the 20s and is not playable. And the convergence in Bf3 is not so swell. I can't play to win in 3d its good on certain games though. Windows index score 7.8 due to 5.6GHz speed needed for at least 1 core. All 7.9. Ths SSD optimization took it from 7.7 to 7.9. herelink be back soon Video, Screen shot coming.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Getting my CPU finally and in other NEWS, sure glad I didn't wait for IB it would have taken forever. IB-E will probably be delayed as well as the future tick-tocks IMO get harder and Moors Law breaks down but this is due to economical reasons. On the flip side if WWIII breaks out I believe we will see the photon quantum computers emerge with pure manufactured diamonds with laser etched impurities to make cavities for making switches for photons to flow 3 ways like transistor/MOSFET but I don't know how they instead of using electric current direct 1 laser and make it go either 2 ways 1 or a 0. Gravatrons, from lasers photons energizing the quarks surfaces to emit gravity to warp the laser 1 of 2 ways would be sweet to see. Look up "phonon resonance" this tech I beleive is used in UFO tech, and the ability to conjurer anything out of anything example brick>cheeseburger
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Getting CPU finally on Tuesday. Built a foam shroud mounted to that top of the side fan that seals air from going out of the side between the heat-sink and edge of video card. This is going to focus the top arc of the fans air flow to be more directed at the GPU fan intake. Also I am going to be looking at my local hardware store for a wire mesh to catch dust to completely fit the side inflow. Pictures and diagrams are coming. Extreme overclocked 7950 can almost best a 6990 at this Korean site. They were of using a Gigabyte triple fan version not the single fan reference design I purchased. The only difference is the heat-sink/ fan design. I am hoping to use the 1.1V core and 1.7V memory 1110/7600 setting at stable temps and use it to game. Over 9000! for 3DMark11 would be nice to see. I don't think I would try risking to push it harder then that.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    3820 5GHz OC 3820 is best gaming processor $10 cheaper then the 2600k currently on newegg. 3820 beat 3930k in gaming performance see link above. "In the Gaming 1 suite the 3930K consumed 24 percent more power, but with 6 percent less performance." With it being rumored that Xbox720 will have a Trinity APU in duel graphics with a 6670 most games being console ports will be written on 4 threads. 8 threads with hyper threading can handle fraps and skype/vent at the same time no problem during the next generation of games.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Bought a 130CFM fan to blow straight at the GPU fan from the side. Only when benching will I run it at 3000 RPM , normally will run 1800-2200 as it is a lot quieter. My goal is to get more air going into the case as their was only one front fan sucking air in vs 4 total fans blowing out including the GPU. Hope I can get to those 1300/7000Mhz speeds lol. I am kinda scared of overvolting though. Now I just got to get a dust filter for this thing , or pantyhose. Who has an opinion on what should I use? Does hardware stores have fine metal mesh filters that will catch dust effectively. I need a 200x300mm filter for the side of the case in which most air will be flowing in.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    I agree but the used higher end IBe will be lower costing after a few years of them being out. It is going to be 3 more weeks or so before I get the CPU. Benchmarks, pics, and a video or 2 should be on the way as well. AMD is not going to make CPUs just APUs and GPUs. x58 came out 2008 and the 990x still beats the i7-3820 and is similar even with the 6 core 3930K. 4 years have gone by and basically the 990x @$1000 is almost as good as a 3930k @$600. So for a little more then half the price with similar performance but 4 years late. Unreal 4 engine uses 2.5TFlops which is under the 2.9TFlops of a 7950. So many next gen games for the next eight years of console ports will use this engine. Therefor I believe that a 2500k and up are good to go as far as gaming for the next 8 years because the PCIe 3.0 doesn't limit the 2.5TFlops of performance. I have to put up with this old 2MB 775 for a few more weeks.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    A whole months wait for that i7-3820. The motherboard is already in the case with 1 stick of RAM for testing. Bluray and SSD were put in but not hooked up. I may test the mobo with my 4770 I have that overheats because the fan is worn out. Just so I don't ruin this $450 GPU if the other components violently fail at 1st power on.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    This screens 2D looks so good that my GF says that it almost seems 3D in certain games like Spore as it is in TriDef mode using duel DVI from 5750. When I get displayport hooked up I expect the extra millions of colors will even make the 2D and 3D better looking.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    THe Powerstream LIR2025 batteries are not staying on longer then 10secs or so they have 3.6V and the regular CR2025 says 3V. LIR2025 has40mAh vs the non-rechargeable CR2025's 100+mAhs. The CR2025 seems a bit thicker as well. I thought it was a possibility that the sync was going out due to the batter connection being more loosely fit. But I hope that these batteries were not a waste =(. Nvidia at least includes rechargeable 3d glasses out of the box. Supposedly the CR2025s get 50hrs of 3D before drained. I was hoping that these LIR2025s would last about 10hrs per charge due to the lower mAhs.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Of course, I agree. But my old Pentium D duel core with 2MB of cache has played almost every game on may with video card updates. 2006-2012 is eight years this processor has been able to play almost every game on med-ultra graphics. BF3 was the first game that did not run at a sufficient frame rate. Shogun 2 was playable though and has higher system minimum Ram requirements! I plan this time around to upgrade when DDR4 peaks sales so I get high end 2400MHZ 64GB and IVY-BRIDGE EXTREME 8 CORE or better around 2015-2017. DDR4 will not be much faster and may not be quad channel with the first adaptations. The Syncmaster native 3D is like nothing I have experienced before. The 2D-3D up-convert is kinda bad compared to real 3D signals. The darkness of 3D makes contrast less so is not recommended for MLG type play styles.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    I am glad it annoys you what would you rather prefer. Received SSD, batts.+charger, Monitor, and case today only 2 days after ordering with free shipping, 4-9 days was expected but Amazon and others are quicker then I anticipated. So far I only had about 5mins to play with this monitor haven't checked for dead pixels yet or anything. I will update later today on what I think about the visual performance and if I get a headache with its post 2d to 3d up-conversion.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    All the parts are paid and being shipped minus the headset because it is not out still... Changed mouse pad to the HD4 SteelSeries, $18 , is plastic with low friction and high precision. Within a month I will have benchmark screen shots and Youtube videos posted.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    New information update, CHALLENGER-U3 , USB 3.0 Front ports , $50, MAX PCI-E LENGTH IS ~11.4" (inches) or ~29 centimeters. I think that even that Gigabyte card with 3x120mm fans can fit in it. My GF keeps switching this old hp mouse optical out because the left mouse button on my Lazer is crap worn out POS China garbage. And my old Microsoft intellipoint has slightly the same issue but not as bad. $ 46 Razer Deathadder Infrared Gaming Mouse (RZ01-00151400-R3) Has 1ms response, good dpi, quality build. Only missing sniping button that Corsair m60 has or Ratz7. Probably just make things more confusing anyways anyone have DPI instant lowering button or can it be programmed into the deathadder? Keyboard RZ03-00260100-R3U1 Razer Arctosa Gaming Keyboard- Silver $40, Basically look up Lycosa without back-lighting, has the anti-ghosting around WSAD give about a 7 button anti ghosting. Has 1ms response, has macro capabillity, media buttons. $9 SteelSeries QcK Mini Mouse Pad, 63005, wrist pad built in and smaller form factor I usually play with a high mouse sensitivity.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Probably going to drop down to the 760W PSU as the7950 Guru review states it max uses 300W with 3820 using 333 watts at OC speeds so 600 watts should be fine below the 88% of 760W. This shaves $30 off the price.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    I seen OCCs review on the XFX and Sapphire cards 7950 uses 375w max load at 1150Mhz core. With the 3820 using about 300W, 700W would be pushed, the 760w OCZ would be pushing it or am I wrong that 60w would be enough for quad ram, ssd, optical, ect.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Sapphire AMD HD 7950 OC Edition 3GB 10.75" so there will be .25in clearance in my case. LOL GIGABYTE GV-R795WF3-3GD 11.4" not going to work SAPPHIRE 11196-00-40G $459+$8 for shipping on Newegg
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    I already have a 5.1 system but I cannot turn up the volume or bass to a level I desire because I live in a apartment and the guy underneath likes to classy lady. I tend to disagree with you on having the speakers centimeters from each other. I am almost certain that since the sub-woofer is in the middle the back speakers must be behind the earlobe which should allow for distortion and a better representation of rear channels but I would imagine not perfect. If I am disatisffied with the product I might turn it in for a pair of Hi-fi cans and go with stereo but I want to stay away from virtual surround.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Input lag with Vsync and IMO that is the deal breaker. 7950 better choice likely
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    5 physical speakers in each ear sounds like virtual surround would be at a disadvantage. But I understand sounds-cape and sound quality from 2 good speakers can allow for hearing more distant movements. $135 for Shure SRH840 are not that bad of a choice right? When I am looking down a scope I want to hear the rear speakers play the sound of the guy sneaking behind me in close proximity. The speakers playing different audio also reduces mixing of the frequencies from different angles. Example would be three hostiles moving in your 10, 4, and 7 o'clock but they are still at a distance of over 100 meters. All three are actively firing their weapons, you notice the sounds of each individual gun shot repetition and can determine the hostiles class maybe even weapon attachments. There are other scenarios but that was the one I thought of first. BTW VERY INTERESTING BREAKDOWN. 7950 XFX Black Edition Bang for buck the 6950s that are used and unlocked to 6970s for $200 ea, This would be awesome if micro-stuttering in alot of AAA games happens and Vsync and Fps limiter must be set to 59.95fps.
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    I think I am leaning towards 7950 Gigabyte’s Model - GV-R795W3-3GD 7950s
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    GTX 680 , 1024 CUDAs 512-memory bus would be just perfect but how much this gonna cost? $700 is my guess and is maybe too much for me and will it be under 11" long as Rosewill challenger case has that headroom for GPU?
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Wow thanks this is interesting because I know Nvidia tessellation is a ton better then AMD's. Not just that though, Vision2 3D has more stable drivers as well. But "1536 MB of GDDR5" is not the 1.7GB+ VRAM usage with MSAAx4 and higher. Hope there is 3GB version or maybe that will be This allows this card to be run as physix when a newer card with higher memory bandwidth could be used down the line. Looks like they are saying rumors that the gk-104 will be a $399 7970 killer... I might just have to wait a bit more and see what is about to happen with Kepler. BenQ XL2420T" @ $435 would be $100 more or less then Samsung that has instant 3D up-convert, but no rechargeable glasses. Both monitors are probably the current 23-24in 3D champions that make AMD and Nvidia output shine. I might use my 5750 on the BenQ XL2420T not in 3D until I can get my hands on a GK-104 or better but lets seen real benchmarks IMO. Till then ...
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    P10000 3D MARK11, OCed Budget X-79 $1500 build

    Now that I think about it going with 2x 6950s with unlocked shaders is like a 6970, So almost a 6990s performance for 300-400 bucks. Beating both 7950 and 7970 but those can do MSAA alot better as well as tessellation, but if the next gen games are not going to be using GCN architecture and going with VLIW4. GCN offers more GPGPU computing for physics and shadows but the 3820 OC will compensate. Then again battlefield has used over 2GB in Vram as well as the 384bit bandwidth is a plus. Dx11.1 is just more GPGPU performance increase. Though by the time you had to upgrade to new cards XDR2 will offer double bandwidth and improve performance substantially before xfiring a 7950 with another 7xxx series. This will be a debate that will be bothering me a while. Any thoughts about 2x6950s used and unlocked to 6970s off ebay or a brand new 7950?
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