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  1. No worries. Honestly, I appreciate the discussion. Part of the reason I went with the build I did was to maximize options. I strongly suspect that the 2500k w/ a PCI-e 2 GPU would carry me until my next build. Still, it's good to know that I have room for Ivy and PCI-e 3 down the road, regardless of whether or not I use it. I was able to read between the lines of your two-part argument, and figured, just as you said, that I could start with one now and if the next gen is a dud (highly unlikely!) or unexpectedly delayed, then I still have room to grow without causing my budget to do the same. If I were running at a crazy res, I'd probably be more interested in a multi-GPU solution, but at 1920x1080, I don't think it's quite as critical.
  2. I think he means they were stress testing the server. At least I hope he isn't trying to game while running Prime95 in the background!
  3. I'd need some more info before I buy into that. What firmware was he using? What tests was he running? What numbers was he seeing? (presuming, of course, he wasn't just speaking anecdotally :shudder: ) In the head-to-head that I linked earlier in the tread, SSD's with similar tech produced very similar results (with some variance). Based on this, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chronos offer faster read times, but I'd be more critical of claims that it had faster write times. There's a follow-up article to the head-to-head that they published after OCZ released a firmware update. It compares the pre- and post-updated drives, which does a good job of illustrating how firmware can affect performance. (Hint: it's not always for the better!) If the only difference between the Vertex 3 and the Mushkin Chronos is firmware, then I'd still say go with the Vertex. They may have yet to reach their full potential, but I think there's a clear benefit to going with synchronous over asynchronous NAND, and with the prices so close, it's difficult to justify not going with the better technology.
  4. I'm...not sure that's true. I was just looking into this, and it's the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe has the 32nm Toggle NAND, which is the same as the Vertex 3 Max IOPS. The non-deluxe Mushkin Chronos, which is the product that was linked, uses 25nm Asynchronous NAND, which is the same as the OCZ Agility 3. Newegg has the Vertex 3 (which has 25nm Synchronous NAND) for only $10 more than the Chronos (AR, presuming free ship from NCIX). Given the performance advantage of synchronous NAND, I'd say the Vertex 3 is the better value. (source
  5. Well, yes, but it's generally better to make that decision before picking everything up, rather than getting everything assembled only to realize that you forgot to order an eye-patch.
  6. No, I do not think you should try again. Those temps look right for this CPU/heatsink combo, so I'd say that everything is seated correctly. For this to be a potential cause of the problem, I'd expect to see CPU temps in the range of +70C under load. If Gigabyte is offering an RMA, I'd say take it. No point in troubleshooting the wrong problem. Until you replace the GPU, there's no way to tell whether or not it's causing the problem.
  7. A few more thoughts. If $1500 is your max budget, then make sure you are including things like OS, keyboard, mice, speakers, and printer, if you will be needing those things. If you get a monitor with integrated speakers, don't use them. They're for YouTube, Pandora, and getting the Windows logon sound stuck in your head. When you're gaming, watching vids, or engaging in the music to which you're listening, rather than using it as background noise, stick with your headphones or get some desktop speakers. You don't have to splurge on them, because pretty much anything will be better than what you've got. Also, are there any games in particular that you're looking to play? Obviously your requirements are going to be different if you're looking to play something like DiRT 3 vs something like WoW.
  8. Are you kidding?! They love explosions! That's why they've implemented their patented slo-mo technology! Now, whenever bullets start flying, and firebombs start falling, ATI cards will automatically slow down the action, allowing you, the gamer, to enjoy every heart-pounding, breath-stopping moment frame-by-frame. That's right! With graphics processors and video display technologies reaching an all-time high, it's good to know that only ATI cards allow you to take the time to see every detail of every frame that you might otherwise miss by using other, less progressive cards lacking this experience-enhancing design! You see? There are no bugs, only features! On what is rapidly turning into a thoroughly unrelated note, I'll be picking up the first of the equipment today. My mobo popped up as being in stock @ MC last night, and it looks like this time, it wasn't a lie! I'll be picking up the proc, mobo, DVD, and RAM (w/ a $10 MIR!). I'll be ordering everything else from Newegg later tonight. I did decide to go with the OCZ Vertex 3 instead of the M4 or HyperX. Seems like all the synchronous SandForce controllers have similar performance, so I just went with the lowest price. Thanks everyone for the assistance! I'll be sure to keep you posted as the build comes to fruition.
  9. Yep, you got it! Read a little, read a lot, and then read some more. On that note, check this article from TechReport for info on SSD's. See Angel? Thanks to you, I learned something that could help others on the site!
  10. On my first build, I seated the heatsink improperly. I'd try checking your CPU temps to make sure that they're where they're supposed to be. Also, you can try looking through your sys logs to see if there's an error code that can help you track down this problem. I presume you're running win7. I'm more familiar with XP, so I'm not sure I could walk you through this process. I'm sure there's plenty of info on Google, or someone else here can pick up my slack.
  11. +1. Personally, I'd try to push you away from the H80. You can find better cooling performance with less noise for the same price, or less, with a high-end heat sink. Most mid- and full-ATX towers will accommodate a quality heatsink. There's a good review of the Hydro coolers over at Anandtech. Be careful about this. Most, if not all 6950 currently on the market cannot be unlocked to the 6970. Not that the 6950 is a bad choice, just don't let the potential to unlock be the deciding factor without doing your research first. I absolutely love ASUS monitors. I bought two of them for my Dad when they first started coming out b/c of their competitive price, and was very impressed. I've since purchased one for myself, and after hearing me talk about how much I liked it, one of my friends picked one up for himself. He's since purchased one for his brother, and talked another of his friends into picking one up. In short, they are very good products. I used to like Acer, but I feel like they let their reputation go to their head. Honestly, though, pretty much any big-name manufacturer will have a quality product. My advice (if you take ASUS out of the equation) is look for the deals, and get the best price you can (for a product you like, of course). Also, if you aren't aware, Tom's Hardware has a regular feature where they break down the best GPU's for the price. They actually just released the Nov. 2011 edition yesterday. EDIT: Also, depending on your gaming res., the more memory on board, the higher graphics settings you can use. I'd say 1GB is a min, 1.5 GB is plenty, and 2GB is probably more than you need (not that there's anything wrong with that).
  12. To be fair, the OP never said he needed max settings right away. We were focusing more on the 'cheap single card solution' than the 'MAX settings'. That's what the next gen is for. And to answer your first question, yes, we are! The OP is throwing a building party. Angel's bringing a 6950 for us to unlock and bench. You can come, too, if you bring a 460 for us to SLI. As far as the $200 thing goes, they were basing that off of second-hand merch and open-box deals, as opposed to retail pricing. Not that that changes any of the arguments, but that's where that figure came from. Based solely on your conviction, Angel, I'm taking another look at the SF-2281. I haven't changed my mind, but I'm giving it another shot.
  13. 12 months was never a firm timetable, but rather a rough outline. I gave it 12 months figuring the Ivy's might need time to mature, and the pricing time to settle. IDK what the price diff. would be between buying early and selling soon vs. waiting for prices to drop and selling later. I suspect the advantage would go to the former, but it's anyone's guess as to whether or not the diff. would be significant. At any rate, that's not a decision I need to make today. Part of the value of this build is the ability to upgrade to Ivy at some point down the road. Whether it's sooner or later depends on several factors, so there's not much point worrying about it now. In either case, I'm sure the 2500k will carry me like a champ without slowing me down. Yes. Yes I will. That or Kepler. Here's how I settled on the Mugen. I had it down to three options: the 212 Evo, the Mugen 3, and the NH-D14. Three coolers, in three price ranges, with three levels of performance. I wasn't able to find many reviews of either the Evo or the Mugen 3, and I haven't been able to find any putting them head-to-head, so I went off results based on the Mugen 2 and the 212+. Based on Benchmark Reviews, I went with the Mugen over the NH-D14. Based on Tom's Hardware's head-to-head, as well as other reviews that didn't have them side-by-side, I chose the Mugen over the 212. I know full well that it's unfair to compare the performance of the older models, but I had a lot of trouble finding quality reviews of the newer versions. I have an IBM keyboard from back in the day. I won't be replacing it anytime soon. (read: ever) +1. If you're interested, take a look at my original config. There's been no shortage of productive input. When I spec'd this, the x-fer kit was actually cheaper. It is kinda neat, but it's not something I gotta have. I'll just go with whatever's cheaper ATOP. I'm well aware of that, though I appreciate the illustration. That 20% overhead thing is OS based, right? I haven't heard anything about SSD performance degrading with % used. Also, is that just on the primary, or do all drives benefit from the headroom? (My understanding is that it applies across the board.) Is that only when gaming, or with general desktop usage as well? Anecdotally, it seems like even if I have way more than enough RAM, Windows still performs better with a PageFile. If it's good enough for JonnyGURU, it's good enough for me. I should note that the first page of that review is one of the funniest I've seen. If you're familiar with the site, then you know that's saying alot! That depends on how you look at it. For sheer FPS? No. The 460 SLI wins hands down. But when you consider framerate consistency (i.e., microstuttering), then IMO, the single cards hold the upper hand. I've never run with dual cards, but I strongly suspect that I would both notice and be bothered this phenomenon. :phew: Thanks everybody! I really do appreciate the input, and I hope this post wasn't too tedious!
  14. The final decision? Component Model Retail Ship/Tax Sub-total MIR Total CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K $179.99 $15.59 $195.58 - $195.58 GPU: ZOTAC ZT-40408-10P GeForce GTX 460 $149.99 $7.56 $157.55 $30 $127.55 RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 $46.99 - $46.99 - $46.99 HDD: Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2CCA 2.5 128GB SSD w/ Transfer Kit $214.99 - $214.99 - $214.99 PSU: XFX Core Edition PRO650W $89.99 $5.99 $95.98 $30 $65.98 DVD: LG 22x DVD±RW Burner $18.99 $1.64 $20.63 - $20.63 Case: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced $89.99 $7.99 $97.98 $10 $87.98 Mobo: ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 $139.99 $12.12 $152.11 - $152.11 Cooler: Scythe Mugen 3 SCMG-3000 $49.99 - $49.99 - $49.99 Total: $980.91 $50.89 $1,031.80 $70 $961.80 SSD: I really don't want to mess with the SandForce controller. They've been working on the firmware thing for a while now, which says to me that either their engineers are a bunch of incompetents, or it's a more serious issue that requires a more serious fix. They may well manage to get it figured out and unlock the potential of these drives with a simple patch. It's also possible that it turns out to be a design flaw and they have to physically fix the hardware. My biggest concern is that whatever they do to fix it impacts performance, and these drives never reach their full potential. This is all speculation, but with the M4, I don't have to worry about any of that. I know that not everyone is having an issue with the SandForce controllers, and there's nothing to say that the one I got wouldn't work, but I still think I'd rather side-step the issue all together. Mobo: You've convinced me on the Gen3. I'm looking at the ASRock Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3, as I'd make good use of its PS/2 port. I should note that this pricing is based on a Microcenter bundle. My local MC is currently sold out of this mobo, and their next shipment isn't until next Fri. If everything else is good, I'd be okay ordering the other parts, and then waiting until next Fri to see if they get any more in stock. If they do, great! Let's hope the prices haven't changed. If they don't, no loss. I can always order from somewhere else, though it'll cost about $50 extra. PSU: The Corsair is nice, but I don't really see any reason to pick it over the XFX. As for the SeaSonic, I don't think it's worth the $65 premium to go from bronze to gold. GPU: FWIW, that 6950 ships with the 6970 BIOS already onboard. There's a switch on the card that lets you select between the stock and unlocked BIOS. I've given up on the 580. As you say, there really isn't any way to justify the expense. I think I'll go with the 460 for now, and upgrade to the next gen when they start becoming available. Later on, say, 12 months from now, I can pick up an Ivy Bridge, and then 12 months after that look into PCI-e 3. Sound like a plan?
  15. I've done a little more thinking, and a lot more reading, and have basically reworked this build from scratch. Here's the new model: Component Model Retail Ship/Tax Sub-total MIR Total CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K $179.99 $15.59 $195.58 - $195.58 GPU: Sapphire 0312-3SR Radeon HD 6950 $278.99 - $278.99 - $278.99 ZOTAC ZT-40408-10P GeForce GTX 460 $149.99 $7.56 $157.55 $30 $127.55 RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 $46.99 - $46.99 - $46.99 HDD: Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2CCA 2.5 128GB SATA III SSD w/ Transfer Kit $214.99 - $214.99 - $214.99 PSU: XFX Core Edition PRO650W $89.99 - $89.99 $30 $59.99 DVD: LG 22x DVD±RW Burner $18.99 $1.64 $20.63 - $20.63 Case: COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced $89.99 $7.99 $97.98 $10 $87.98 Mobo: Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 $89.99 $7.79 $97.78 $10 $87.78 Cooler: Scythe MUGEN 3 SCMG-3000 $49.99 - $49.99 - $49.99 Total w/ HD 6950 $1,059.91 $33.01 $1,092.92 $50 $1,042.92 Total w/ GTX 460 $930.91 $40.57 $971.48 $80 $891.48 Proc, Mobo, and DVD are from Microcenter, and the HD 6950 is from Amazon. Everything else is from Newegg. GPU: The HD 6950 comes with the option to unlock it to the HD 6970, but it's also more than twice as expensive as the GTX 460. Case: I'm happy with the CM690, but I'll a shop around. Thank you very much for all of the feedback, it's helped quite a bit! I think I'm pretty close with this build, what say you?
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