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  1. nForce 500 series Intel edition motherboards are coming very soon, though I think that RD600 and crossfire will be the better choice when it is out. As for the setup, looks good to me, though DDR2-1000 would be nice if you are OCing a lot. Happy Building!
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    I saw a review a couple of days ago, I am really really working to find it. I can't reamember the site, but it used a BFG 7950GX2, they tested one, then tried two. They said that in certain situations they could "force" SLI, but it only worked for FEAR and BF2, all the other games didn't work yet. Hopefully a new drive will be out soon. I thoght that the beta version of 91.31 supported it, but it doesn't work quite right yet. There is no doubt that it is the most poweful single card on the market right now, but without any offical quad SI support it gets burned by a X1900XT Crossfire or a 7900GTX SLI. If I where you I would do it just so that I would have that option in a month (hopefully less), quad SLI should be very powerful. Otherwise your dual 7900's ATM are going to tear it apart, so in the end it is up to you I guess. Just keep two things in mind. 1.: This is just the tip of the iceburg for Quad SLI/(Crossfire). G80 will undoubtably blow this out of the water. I guess though you can't go on that, if you keep waiting because the future tech will beat the now, then you will never upgrade,, you will always wait. 2.: the real advantage of Quad SLI isn't going to start until you hit 1600x1200 with full AA and AF. At lower res it is on par, but a little above 7900GTX SLI and X1900 Crossfire. That is unless you decide to enable 32x Quad AA. Just some things to consider.
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  4. So I am woundering if it is possiable to load a copy of OSX Tiger onto a Conroe when it is out; or down the road onto a Kentsfield or onto a PC with a dual socket mobo with a pair of Clovertowns? I heard that it is possiable to dual boot Windows and OSX or just load Windows onto a Mac, will this work the other way? I like the idea of building my own Mac, especially if I waited a while and loaded it onto a dual Clovertown. 8 cores along with OSX loaded up with Final Cut Pro, and some adobe products, maybe even some Tiger optimised Mac style gaming. Isn't Tiger based on a Unix/Linux kernal, and would it be hard to find the correct drivers for Tiger?
  5. Thanks I'll check it out. I figured there would be no benches, but is there any K8L silicon out. I have heard there are Kentsfield/Clovertowns in testing, true or not I don't know. Seems that when I look around here, at XS and at HardOCP there is a lot of talk about waiting for DX10 and or waiting for K8L, maybe Conroe is a mistake. I guess we will see, post on...
  6. I have been trying to find out about K8L, I can't find much besides that it might be quad core and 65nm. I would really like to know more, because if it is an Intel killer I might just wait on Conroe. How do you think it will stack up against Kentsfield/Clovertown? Any info or links would be awsome, either posted or just pm me.
  7. This is a thread inspired by the "Whats going into your Conroe build?" thread at XtremeSystems. Those of you out there that are planing any new builds of Intel or AMD, what are you putting in them. Will it be Conroe or AM2 based K8. Are you one of those people that are holding out for Kentsfield or K8L, or are you just sticking with your current 939 K8 or LGA 775 NetBurst P4 or PD. I will kick things off... I am planing on doing a Conroe build, so I can have a AMD and a Intel rig. The Conroe will be my main rig, and my 939 will get a Opty and some water cooling for OCing. Eventully I will go to AM2, 4x4, or whatever socket AMD is on when K8L comes out. Here is what I plan for my Conroe/main rig: Case: Cooler Master Stacker 830-B, if I can find a black one, otherwise it will go into a SilverStone TJ07-B or Lian Li PC-V1200B Power Supply: OCZ GameXStream 700watt or SilverStone Zeus 750watt, but with all the new talk of power consumption and the fact that I have almost not budget for this system, I might go to a PC P&C 1Kwatt or Tagan 1100watt. Motherboard: Intel 975XBX "Bad Axe" Rev.304 or Abit AW9D-MAX 975X Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.67ghz) or a X6800 (2.93ghz) Memory: 2GB of DDR2-800 OCZ/Corsair, Mushkin, or other Video Card: Sapphire Radeon X1900XT 512mb (these things are $370 at ZipZoomFluy!!!) Hard Drives: WD Caviar SE16 250GB SATA 3.0gb/sec and a WD Caviar SE16 320GB SATA 3.0gb/sec
  8. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100587 There you go uncledavid, 3.409-3.508 on air, and i don't think he says what he is cooling with when he hits 4+ghz, people where talking about ln2, but with 3.5 on air i bet you could hit 4ghz+ with water; or at most chilled water, a pelt, or a low-end phase system. There are some other good Conroe threads as XS, I think 2-3 people have actual Conroe's. You wonder though if all CPU will do that over the counter, lets hope so, i guess we will only know when Conroe actully is on shelves. I think Conroe is going to be sweet for sure. There are a couple things though to think about: 1. Conroe is impressive, I am not down-playing that, but we are all compairing new tech to a tech that came out in what, like 2002. 2. We have not seen any benches from off the shelves Conroe's, not ALL the chips might be able to get these results. 3. I am sure when the time comes we will all be saying this about K8L or whatever AMD decides to counter with. I do agree with Smoken though, it is nice to see Intel trying a different pricing strategy.
  9. Sorry, game engines. But I do agree, untill multicore CPU's start doing physics, then this might finally be a afordable solution.
  10. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2771&p=6 Another "has anyone seen this". This I think is way more impressive than my Ageia post before. If this pans out, then wow. I wouldn't really mind picking up a 3.6ghz dual core for a little over $300. They are finally starting to price a lot more competativlly with AMD, if not better, I mean $93 for a 805 dual core is just amazing, the 805 can OC pretty darn good too. Also it is a good idea to read the reast of the review, it is on the new EE Conroe. The numbers that the chip posts are nothing short of increadable, and it isn't even out yet, so things might just get better with time.
  11. I think that it is driver related, ie... say you have a crossfire setup, now you plug in a x1600 or higher, with the latest drivers and I assume some sort of Havok FX driver, and a option will be avaliable in the ATI control panel to use it for physics, or something like that. The Intel "Bad Axe" is out, and so are the card, so I don't think it is something different on the card, at most maybe a flashed bios. As far as I know it is still something that ATI is previewing/developing, if someone doesn't multithread for dual cores, then this looks promissing, more so than Ageia.
  12. I think that we did, like right when Ageia came out. Just thought that it was something different since it is GFX processing useing Havok FX. If nothing esle just checkout the sweet "Bad Axe" based Core Duo rig, lol. I would say thought that eventhough that triple ATI setup looks sweet, I think it still makes more sense to use the CPU. It is cheaper and uses what we already have.
  13. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5838 Has anyone else seen this at all. From what I can tell, and from what ATI is saying, it is the end of Ageia. I think that it makes more sense than Ageia when you can get a X1600 to do physics calculations for a lot cheaper than a Ageia PPU. Actully you can almost get a X1600 for physics and two more for crossfire for a little more than a Ageia card. As far as I can tell too, the Radeons are going to be faster, by a lot; and they communicate directly to the GFX cards via the PCIe lanes, bypassing any bottleneck created by the CPU. I think that a X1800 or X1900 is a little bit of overkill for just physics processing, but three X1900 would be sick. Well actully it would look a lot like this... http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5838 (that is if you didn't have time to scroll to the bottem of the page, lol) I don't know about anyone else, but if nothing esle, if you care about the artical or not, that is a sweet looking system, and I would kill to have one sitting on my desk next to me. Just thought it was something to check out, and if nvidia jumps on the bandwagon too then I see the end of Ageia PPU's not far off in the horizen. I still think that useing a dual core CPU to do some physics makes a little more sense, especially since we are less than a year away from 4 cores (I think). After seeing this, namely that Intel "Bad Axe" with three ATI's, I might be waiting for Conroe and paring it with ATI instead of AM2 and a 7950GX2 or a G80. What would really make it hardcore "geek porn" would be it there was 4 of those X1900XT is a quad crossfire setup :drool: :drool: :drool: .
  14. Well this is more like the thread I was going for, lol. There is some interesting discussion going on here. I hope to have a AM2 in my hands soon, if nothing else to try it out. If I don't like it then it will get sold and the money will go to Conroe / my 939, which is soon to be retired, maybe. Has anyone seen this http://www.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/newspro...148107372,95210, Not to bad, almost 3GHZ on air with a proc that is a little over $300. So it looks like the new AM2's are not too bad of OCers, and with the FX-62 (if you have that kind of money to drop), there seems to be enough to satisfy all the speed junkies out there. I am just praying that they make a Opty for the new socket (socket F or whatever) AND for AM2, but I don't think they will. I think that AMD is going to get spanked with Conroe until K8L comes out sometime in 2007. But I think the new lower thermal output and the new memory and memory controlers might help with overclockability. It is not much, but maybe the extra OCing headroom will help close the gap between AMD K8 and Conroe. The way I look at it is that when I see the benchmarks for Conroe and K8, and it shows the HL2 FPS's for instance, and the difference is like 160FPS on the Conroe and 140FPS on the K8, with everything maxed, I am not going to beat myself up to bad if I don't get a Conroe. For speed junkies it will be god, until we see what K8L is all about, and / or 65nm K8 (which might be K8L). Untill games really start beating up on systems, mainly the CPU NOT the GFX card, then I might have to look around. But for now a dual core K8 at 2.2 or 2.4GHZ or even OCed to 2.8GHZ or higher, can handle almost anything I throw at it. I guess though the future will be decided by games. If more games start taxing a system like Oblivion, then, to me, Conroe seems like a good choice. I guess the other major factor will be price point, I see what AM2's are going for now, and if Conroe is cheaper with better performance then, IDK. I guess the point I am trying to make is that; AM2 might be a bad upgrade path right away, unless there are little to no bugs in it. I still am sure that I will travel that path, down AM2, to the promiss-land of K8L. When I look at it, I love speed, but not so much that I will go to the compition (even though I like Intel too). When I am sitting back with my AM2 system, banging out 80+ FPS at 1600x1200 with all settings maxed, even a little AA and AF (which we are seeing in games like HL2, CS:S, BF2, Quake 4, UT2k4, just to name a few) in games that I play all the time, then I don't care about the extra 20-30 FPS advantage. The only game right now that might change my mind is the one I have preordered, UT2k7. If there is a huge advantage there then maybe (I am a UT junkie). But by the time I get my copy, K8L should be close so even then...mhh. The real two techs of interest to me are the GFX cards and the PPU's. I am very interested to see how the PPU market unfolds. I have seen what they can do, and it is amazing. What I really hope though is this: 1: for us peeps that don't want to spend $300 for a posable fluke, a patch for games to use the second core of our CPU (if you have a dual core) for physics calculations. 2: a PCIe 1x or 4x version of the card; to boost bandwidth, and to not have to take up a PCI slot, that is until sound cards are PCIe too. 3: maybe a daughter card that would plug into a graphics card, adding another core just for physics. I do like the idea though of having SLI or Crossfire, and letting one of the cards do physics and the other do graphics. Seems like overkill right now, and a waste of all that money for dual cards, but with quad SLI why not. Or think if you had a board with 3 full bandwidth PCIe x16 slots, two of which where SLI; and now useing software + hardware you could plug in a third card for physics ( something like a 7600GT or lower, yet still powerful). I think some of these ideas have been kicked around at Nvidia and ATI, hopefully we will see something develope. I am very excited as well to see how the G80 and R600 stack up. These are the main reason I have been waiting to upgrade, though I think I will get a X1800XT or 7600GT (or maybe a used 7800GT) as a hold-over. The R600 looks to be stunning, but the G80 looks promissing as well. I heard a rumor that the G80, or the R600, or both, idk, is going to be the fist dual-core GFX card. I don't know if they mean dual-core like a CPU, or dual core like the old Voodoo's, that had 2, 3, or sometimes 4 physical cores on one board (has anyone seen a Voodoo 5 6000, very few made, and I think none sold, google it, it is awsome). If this is the case, why not set it up so that one core can do physics and the other graphics (with software) in games that whould work with physics. Anyways I am excited to see both the new cores after reading some of the pre-specs. I am also excited to see what people like BFG and XFX can do with the G80, since it has a new core process that generates less heat with higher clocks. I guess only time can tell. I think though that even though it is not really a performance upgrade path, atleast right now, I think that AM2 is a good step for AMD. Redoing the memory controlers and moving to DDR2 I think is a step. I hope that Conroe will open AMD's eyes and we will see K8L sooner than expected, I highly doubt this, but one can dream. With PPU's, again all we can do is sit and watch to see how this market pans out. I hope that multi core CPU's and GFX cards eliminate this extra $300 board; but if it dosn't then I hope to see some changes in the board as far a interface, bandwidth, memory, and pure processing power. As for GFX cards, all I can say is bring on G80 and R600!!
  15. Straight forward and short, but kind of what I was expecting. Oh well, I guess only time will tell. Oh BTW arklab, I don't know about Intel, but AMD is planning on going to DDR3 sometime in 2008 according to their roadmap.
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