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  1. Hey All,

     

    Sorry I kind of dropped off for a while there. It's been a busy few days. Things got crazy at work and I had to leave town for a few days. Anyway I'm back and I've had a bit of time to play some more and I think I've got things where I'll probably leave them for a while.

     

    I opted to stay at 3Ghz @1.31V. The system is plenty fast for what I need, and more importantly it is rock solid stable and runs cool and quiet. If I have a few lazy days over the summer I might try pushing it a lot harder. By then hopefully it'll be a bit more responsive to voltage increases.

     

    Thanks for all the support and advice, I'll keep you posted if I play more over the summer.

     

    -Mid


  2. Put 1.4V through it and lets see what the temps will do! Where are you at with your FSB? And what is the voltage on it?

     

    320FSB, I tried it the NB voltage at normal and +.1v and could tell no difference in stability when priming at both 300FSB and 320FSB. This makes me think it isn't a lack of voltage on the NB at this point. What is a safe amount of voltage to add to the NB?

     

    I'll give 1.4V a try when I get home to see what the temps look like, just based on what I've seen so far I'd expect 1.4v to get me up to the 57-59 range.

     

    I could also try dropping the multi down to x9 and increasing FSB to 355. I've heard of some boards having "FSB holes" where sometimes higher FSBs actually have better stability. Not sure if there is any truth to that though.


  3. Well, I got my new Xigmatek HDT-S1283 cooler in and put it on last night. Either that thing is amazing, the stock Intel cooler sucks, or probably a combination of both.

     

    At 2.9Ghz with the stock Intel cooler I was getting a pretty solid 60C on both cores. After mounting the Xigmatek load temps dropped to 47C, ambients were within 1C.

     

    Anyway, with adequet cooling now I went ahead to see how far I could push the chip. I was able to get 3Ghz 2-hour stable but it required an increase in voltage from 1.268v to 1.31v. Load temps rose from 47C to about 50C.

     

    I then moved on to 3.2Ghz, but my chip really wasn't wanting to cooperate. I had to push it to 1.35 just to get it to boot into windows, and pushing it to 1.387v failed after about 50mins of small FFTs. Load temps were up to about 55-56C. I ran out of time so I wasn't able to continue testing.

     

    Looks like I didn't get the best overclocking chip, core 1 seems to be very weak.

     

    So what do you guys think? Am I still well within the realm of safety and should I keep pushing a bit more voltage to try and get 3.2 stable? I know the chip is rated for up to 1.5v, I'm just not used to having to increase voltage this much. At this point I'm tempted to just take the 3Ghz at 1.31v, or even the 2.9Ghz at 1.268v and keep things nice cool and stable.

     

    Thanks for all the input so far, and I urge you guys to check out this Xigmatek if you're in the market for a great cooler for a budget price. It does use the Intel pushpin design, which sucks. But it's compatible with the Thermalright backplate from what I've read, plus I think Xigmatek is planning to change to a bolt mounting method.

     

    -Mid


  4. I have the Tracer version of the Ballistix and they are great.

     

    Did you buy them within the last couple of months? I think this is a fairly recent change.

     

    I'm not sure if they changed manufacturing of the Tracers as well, and I could be completely incorrect so don't take what I say as fact. I just didn't feel it was worth the risk/hassle since there were several other decent choices in the same price range.


  5. i just got a 2180 for a friend, easy as pie to 266. 280 highly unstable. 300 crashed ..

     

    p35 asus p5k-e ... temps werent that high either. stock hsf they were ~40-45 load... didnt add more vcore though, and maybe i'm missing something?

     

    Either your ambient is a lot lower than mine, my chip just runs naturally hotter, or I've got some serious lapping to do. Were you running small FFTs? In any case at stock speed I was seeing about 40C-45C load. The instant I overclocked it to 2.4Ghz load temps jumped to 55C or so, and increased about 1C for each additional 100Mhz. I am in Texas and it did get up into the lower 90s (F) here today though :)

     

    I paid a bit more for the 2180 thinking that it'd be a bit easier to overclock than the 2160. Also that it'd help me keep my overall temps down a bit as I should be able to get by with a lower FSB due to the 10x mutliplier. Was this incorrect thinking on my part? Would I have been better off with the 2160?

     

    A bit off topic, but at what point do you guys usually decide to void the warranty and lap the cpu? I'm antsy to do it now, as I've got nothing to do really until my HSF comes in. Its about to complete 24 hours of Prime95 small FFTs. I think I'm going to be patient though, get the HSF, see how far it'll go, make sure I'm happy and everything is stable. Then lap away to try and get things as cool as possible.


  6. Thanks for all the replies guys.

     

    I ended up going with the GSkills. Mainly to avoid the rebate hassle as much as anything as I've already got several other rebates to deal with.

     

    I ruled out the Reapers because I wasn't sure about clearance issues with my HSF. I dismissed the Ballistix because I read several reports that Crucial changed how they manufacture them and that the new ones aren't nearly as good as they used to be even though they're selling them as the same sticks.

     

    My second choice was the Mushkin sticks. It was pretty much a coin flip with the GSkills, but the sheer popularity of the GSkills and a touch of Brand Loyalty on my part moved them into #1.


  7. Which Xigmatek are you taking about?

     

    Xigmatek HDT-S1283

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835233003

     

    I've seen several reviews sing it's praises. Usually comes withing a degree or two of the TRUEs, great performance for a really cheap price.

     

    technodanvan: I haven't tried that yet, at 290 I was already sitting at 60C load, the 1-2 mintues Prime would run at 300 was giving me 61C so I didn't really want to push it any further. With the new cooler if it doesn't play nice at stock I'll try that for sure, thanks for the suggestion. What are the upper FSB limits on these Gigabyte DS3 boards usually?


  8. Thanks for all the responses :)

     

    Looks like the consensus is pretty much wait for better cooling, which will hopefully make the final push to hit/break 3Ghz. And yeah the stock Intel cooler is pretty horrible. I'm half tempted to take my Zalman off my gamer, put the stock AMD HSF (the nice heatpipe one) and see how much that helps. I've been tempted to test out that stock AMD heatsink anyway to compare it to the Zalman as I never even used it. That's a lot of work when my Xigmatek will be here Monday and I'd have to put it all back if the stock AMD cooler doesn't outperform the Zalman.

     

    Speaking of the Intel HSF being horrible, I'd been reading about how much everyone hates the push pins for the last couple of weeks. Man were you guys not kidding, these things are a serious pain and just about worthless. I've got the Zalman 775 backplate still from my other HSF that I'm not using so I'll probably give it a go with the Xigmatek to see if I can get it working. I've seen an equal number of people in HSF reviews (*cough*Tom's Hardware*cough*) complaining about backplates, but those guys are nuts. If the backplate was stock and universal they'd all have backplates already, and two its worth taking the motherboard out one time regardless of the hassle for the ease of mind as well as ease of future installs.

     

    KimberKlr: Thanks for the tip about giving it a few weeks, hopefully mine will loosen up a bit. It didn't seem to respond at all to voltage increases, so I'll see if time and a new HSF helps. Also its funny you noticed the sig, I've been pondering the last 3-4 days which box I want for what purpose while I've waited for parts to come in. I think I've settled on this config though. My DVR box will actually make better use of the extra horsepower, as it's constantly auto cutting commercials and encoding all the TV my wife and I watch. Plus it's going to be on 24/7 so it's significantly lower power consumption should be a little easier on the power bill :)

    HITandRUN: Thanks for the tip on the upper voltage range. I had seen that the upper limit on Intel's page was 1.5v. I'll probably try to keep it under 1.4v mainly because I'd rather keep heat down than squeeze a few more Mhz out of it, but I'll see how well the Xigmatek performs to see how far I push it.

     

    technodanvan: Ha, yeah my 7800GT should still have the edge, but the 8600GT I got comes stock overclocked out the wazoo, thanks to the zalman cooler. Not to mention it was about $150 cheaper than what I paid for my 7800GT :). From the benchmarks I've seen of similarly clocked cards the 8600 is surprisingly close, not to mention it has DX10 support that I don't care about since I don't plan on running Vista anytime soon. I'll probably do a little heads up testing between the two and either keep the best performer in my gamer, or if they're close put the quietest one in the DVR.

     

    Edit: Forgot to answer technodanvan's question. The 2180 has a 10x multiplier, so 290 FSB.


  9. Hey All,

     

    Working on overclocking my new machine, the second one in my signature. I have a Xigmatek S1283 on the way, but it got separated from the rest of the order and I couldn't wait for it to get here on Monday to start playing with it ;).

     

    This might just be as far as I can push it with the stock aluminum cooler, but I thought I'd try to get it to go as far as it can this weekend.

     

    It's ran like a champ so far, haven't long term stressed it but it passed an hour of Prime95 small FFTs all the way up to 2.9Ghz without problem. However, it fails at 3Ghz within 2 minutes on core 1.

     

    I've manually set the CPU voltage to 1.268v in the BIOS, which was fine up through 2.9. I tried increments up to 1.3v trying to get 3Ghz stable, but it didn't respond at all. I didn't want to push it further than that without adequate cooling and without knowing exactly what these chips can take. Right now Priming 2.9Ghz is giving me load temps of 60C(ambient 27C), which is higher than I'd feel comfortable with long term but I don't think its hurting anything until my Xigmatek arrives. All RAM timings are set to AUTO, what's in my signature is what CPU-Z is reporting. I've set the Gigabyte Memory Multiplier to 2, which has the memory running at 1:1 so that shouldn't be the problem. All voltages other than CPU are set to Auto.

     

    Any ideas for me to try to hit 3Ghz while I wait for the Xigmatek to arrive? Is the heatsink and/or lack of CPU voltage what is holding me back? Would voltage on the northbridge help? RAM settings?

     

    Its just weird that it had no problems until I hit 3Ghz then its an immediate fail. I know every chip overclocks differently, so if 2.9Ghz all I'm going to be able to get out of it I'll be perfectly happy.

     

    Thanks,

    -Mid


  10. What do you guys think about the heatsink on the DS3R northbridge?

     

    I've seen several reports that the northbridge on the DS3Ls gets uncomfortably hot. Is this a problem with the DS3Rs as well? Mine is on it's way, but it'll be a few days before I get to start playing with it.

     

    I notice the heatsink on the DS3R looks significantly larger, so I hope it's enough. If not what are the alternatives? It looks like the mounting holes are spaced much further apart, so slapping an Evercool VC-RE on there doesn't look to be an option. I guess I could dig out an old cpu heatsink and steal the small fan off of it and bolt it on top of the existing heatsink.

     

    Man I'm getting excited, putting together new systems is almost as much fun as playing on them afterwards :)


  11. I had a pair of Gskill and they sucked on my GA-P35-DQ6. Now I get these and they rock! DDR1200 at 2.1V. $79 after rebate!

     

    The same model Gskills I'm looking at?

     

    Those are pretty nice looking. Ha, I love that when building computers the next level of performance is always just outside your budget, and its easy for me to talk myself into "Well for just $20-30 more" That adds up over several components :)

     

    I'll definitely look into those a bit more, and see if I can justify the higher price. It's very tempting, but I'm thinking probably not. I'm shooting for a decent overclock on a budget chip so my goals are a bit different.

     

    -Mid


  12. Thanks for the reply, fixed the links.

     

    Right now I'm probably going to go with either the GSkills or the OCZ Reapers. I'm leaning a bit towards the Gskills at this point.

     

    I do the same as you, I take the number of newegg reviews and the overall ratings as a great rule of thumb for finding good solid products that perform well for the price. Of course there is a long mathematical formula for determining how many of the idiots and their bad ratings to ignore based on the complexity of the product. :)

     

    My concern with the OCZ is that from what I've found these Reaper sticks are the bottom end of the Reaper line, so I'm worried that these are probably the sticks that didn't make the cut at the higher levels. That and clearance issues with whatever heatsink I choose.

     

    -Mid


  13. Thanks all for the responses :) I've decided on the DS3R for sure, mainly for the extra 4 SATA ports.

     

    Now I'm trying to narrow down what RAM to pair with this board. I started a thread over in the memory section, but it hasn't garnered any responses so I thought I'd try here. I've copied and pasted it below. Thanks!

     

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    This will be my first time playing with DDR2. My last set of RAM was a set of G.Skill HZ DDR sticks and while they were a bit finicky getting started I've been very happy with them. From my experience RAM is usually the biggest hassle of a good stable overclock. I'm hoping to get to 3Ghz with an Intel E2180 on a Gigabyte DS3R board, but I'll be happy with whatever. I've started trying to gather info on good solid budget memory to pair with setup but there is a ton of good priced RAM out there and I'm having trouble narrowing it down.

     

    I'm shooting for spending ~$50 or less on a 2x1GB set. That price isn't set in stone, just looking for the best bang for the buck.

     

    Here are some of the sets that I've been trying to find out more about.

     

    G.Skill F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ

    $45

    Thoughts: I've been happy with my current G.Skill sticks, price is right.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231098

     

    Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT12864AA804

    $65 - $25 = $40 (AR)

    Thoughts: I hear a lot about these sticks, seems people love them but have a lot of returns?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820146565

     

    OCZ Reaper HPC Edition OCZ2RPR8002GK

    $70 - $25 = $45 (AR)

    Thoughts: Heatpipes seems a bit much, but hey if it works and doesn't get in the way of the cpu heatsink.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820227231

     

    Mushkin with EPP Profile 996533

    $60 - $10 = $50 (AR)

    Thoughts: Don't know much about mushkin.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820146673

     

    CORSAIR XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX

    $92 - $40 = $52 (AR)

    Thoughts: Nice timings, mixed reviews, not worth the $40 rebate risk unless these are amazing sticks.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820145177

     

    As always I'm open to any and all suggestions. These are just the sticks that have caught my eye so far.

     

    -Mid


  14. Hey Guys,

     

    This will be my first time playing with DDR2. My last set of RAM was a set of G.Skill HZ DDR sticks and while they were a bit finicky getting started I've been very happy with them. From my experience RAM is usually the biggest hassle of a good stable overclock. I'm hoping to get to 3Ghz with an Intel E2180 on a Gigabyte DS3R board, but I'll be happy with whatever. I've started trying to gather info on good solid budget memory to pair with setup but there is a ton of good priced RAM out there and I'm having trouble narrowing it down.

     

    I'm shooting for spending ~$50 or less on a 2x1GB set. That price isn't set in stone, just looking for the best bang for the buck.

     

    Here are some of the sets that I've been trying to find out more about.

     

    G.Skill F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ

    $45

    Thoughts: I've been happy with my current G.Skill sticks, price is right.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231098

     

    Crucial Ballistix BL2KIT12864AA804

    $65 - $25 = $40 (AR)

    Thoughts: I hear a lot about these sticks, seems people love them but have a lot of returns?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820146565

     

    OCZ Reaper HPC Edition OCZ2RPR8002GK

    $70 - $25 = $45 (AR)

    Thoughts: Heatpipes seems a bit much, but hey if it works and doesn't get in the way of the cpu heatsink.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820227231

     

    Mushkin with EPP Profile 996533

    $60 - $10 = $50 (AR)

    Thoughts: Don't know much about mushkin.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820146673

     

    CORSAIR XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400C4DHX

    $92 - $40 = $52 (AR)

    Thoughts: Nice timings, mixed reviews, not worth the $40 rebate risk unless these are amazing sticks.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820145177

     

    As always I'm open to any and all suggestions. These are just the sticks that have caught my eye so far.

     

    -Mid


  15. That's where I bought mine, svc.com, through a link here at the DIY store front thing. Don't know how reputable they are as I hadn't heard of them or used them before, but they got it here plenty quick. I'm disappointed in New Egg being out of stock again. It shows some supply chain management issues but hopefully they don't go beyond this one manufacturer.

     

    Thanks for sharing your experience with svc. I'll be sure and use the link from the storefront and share the affiliate love.


  16. Thanks for the responses as always. Here's a bit more information from what I've found so far and what I'm planning that might influence the decision.

     

    The Abits from what I've read seem to be pretty solid little overclockers themselves. The BIOS support seems to be about a step behind Gigabyte as they don't officially support the new C2D 8XXX chips, however they do work. This being said what I've read sounds like Abit has worked hard on updating the BIOS to the point that they've got a rock solid stable budget overclocker.

     

    As for the Raid and SLI I won't use it even if they have them. Unless of course the RAID 5 is leaps and bounds ahead of the RAID 5 on my current DFI board, which is sadly dog slow. I'm "probably" going to throw Windows Home Server on this box, which has its own unique hard drive allocation and mirroring built in. I'll look around and see if I can find some performance specs on the RAID with the Gigabyte.

     

    Right now I've kind of ruled out the DS3L, I'm probably going to go one extreme or the other :)

     

    Thanks again.

     

    -Mid


  17. Where else can you purchase the Evercool VC-RE other than the Egg? It's always out of stock every time I check on it. My mag-lev fan is still going strong, and so long as I cap the fan speed at 70% with SpeedFan the noise isn't noticable. Still I wouldn't mind replacing it for peace of mind and a bit better cooling, and I'll probably pick up a second one for the northbridge on my upcoming P35 build.

     

    Any other coolers under $10 that compare with the VC-RE?


  18. Hey All,

     

    Been a while since I put my last comp together, it's still running strong, but my poor DVR/fileserver box is limping along on it's last leg. Since it does a ton of commercial cutting and xvid encoding I figured it was time to give it a little makeover and give my hand a try at overclocking an Intel for a change, specifically an E21XX.

     

    Since the motherboard is usually the heart and soul of the overclock I thought I'd turn to the experts.

     

    I'm mainly looking at the three boards in the title, but I'm open to suggestions. This is going to be a budget OC job, and while price is going to be a big factor I don't mind paying a little more if it makes a difference but I don't really need bells or whistles.

     

    Right now I'm leaning towards the Abit IP35-E mainly because I can pick it up for $60 (AR). The DS3L looks to be a slightly better board, but it looks to be running about $30-40 more. The DS3R is sitting at a premium price of about double the Abit, but its got twice the SATA ports and a few other things that would be nice but I won't miss if I don't have.

     

    Thanks for the advice as always.

     

    -Mid


  19. Wow... I've been putting up with this problem for MONTHS. I had tried everything I could think of like the original poster and had pretty much given up on solving it. And it was one of those problems that wasn't quiet bad enough to justify spending money on a new sound card. I had searched the forums before, but had never found this solution, but today it finally annoyed me enough to search again.

     

    In short SpeedFAN monitoring my HD temps was causing the stutter! Just disabled the monitoring and all is nice and silky smooth again.

     

    Anyone know if there are work arounds to fix the problem without completely disabling hard drive temp monitoring?


  20. Try eight+ boxes in a study. It's winter here, although no snow and mid 40's F, the required window AC unit still kicks on ocassionally. Yea, unfortunately during the winter a window unit is needed now and then.

    Ha I've had my share of 5 computers in a room with a window unit back in college. Its why I'm pretty conscience about heat output and electricity usage. I've narrowed my household down to 3 desktops and two laptops, but only one is up 24/7. I don't even leave my Opty box up, just turn it on to game or when something needs a bit more horsepower.

     

    Enjoy the holidays and thanks again.

     

    -Mid

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