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  1. I recently went through this drill and thanks to wevsspot here it is "stand alone" You can get the 0704-2bta from here; http://www.diy-street.com/forum/show...ight=0704-2bta I'll have to do some more looking to find a stand alone of the 0406.
  2. AND THANK YOU ... Also Soundx98 you get a "cookie" to ... seriously ... your work on MBM5 made me a very happy guy years ago! So I had the "TLP" setting @ 256 for years (no probs). Upon "Loading Optimized Settings" in the swap above I left it @ 4096 and will leave it there, can't tell a difference really ... especially with the dually screaming along so nicely ... BUT there is no price for "Peace of Mind" ! Thanks ALL ... again.
  3. OK ... she's Orthos 12+hrs stable @ 2.88 v1.35bios (stock) / v1.33 MBM5-cpuz; (240x12 (4x) 200/1:1) 15c ambient, cpu 32c/44c stock HSF. I had some fun clocking this thing (oh no the "Dragon" rears it's head again) as at one point I thought I might hit 3.0ghz all stock, which would be a 1st for me. But alas she started to hickup just a bit @ 2.95. I was able to boot into windows @ 3.0ghz with only v1.40 bios, passed all tests until Orthos brought her down, and kinda hard at that. I got past the dreaded 2min mark but shortly there after the temps skyrocketed faster than I've seen before. The cpu went from 48c to 55c (PWMIC 55c to 62c) all in a matter of seconds. Just as I was going to bail out Orthos failed ... was this an unnatural hickup/speed-up? This gives me pause/thought about the Hotfix/Optimizer possible benefits. To be honest the main reason I haven't applied the fixes, just to be safe (besides the "if it ain't broke forum") is several people have reported a 3-5c increase in temps. Clock for clock, compared to the single 148, Dual SuperPi 1m consistently ran a second slower. Although when running single-core applications on the dual-core, the times were essentially the same! (1m 29.938s vs 29.171s - semi-tweaked ram timings). 3DMark06 showed an 800-900pt increase across all clocks and the cpu chugging along @2148 @ 2.88ghz, significantly faster than the single-core. To Summarize ... I'm leaving things as is, until I get bored, or notice any obvious speed-ups/hickups, or unless someone see's any inconsistencies in the data above ... :confused: Sooo I think, I would still recommend for most to do at least a fresh install of Windows and uninstall the ACPI Uniproccessor drivers (something I missed unintentionally) although I am having "No Problems" to date. Hope this helps some in the future. @wevsspot - THANKS on the Orthos paging issue! (and all your other advice). That really had me thinking about the fixes, as I raised the clocks, it did begin to page faster! .... Now (off topic) what are your thoughts regarding "Set maximum TLP" (256,512, or 4096?) on the "PnP/PCI configuration" BIOS page ... see http://www.diy-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45336 I think Roberts and Travis' comments may have been regarding the old AGP aperture setting days. I did a fair amount of searching and didn't readily find a clear-cut answer for this setting on the Ultra-D bios.
  4. Now I'm confused ... I recently installed a new cpu, and while reconfiguring the bios I also noticed the setting was in byte(s) :confused: I'd read somewhere your aperature setting should be 1/2 to equal that of the ram on your GPU ... I've had my setting @ 256 for years am I missing some hidden performance? :eek2: I've done multiple searches ... can some-one link or give me a definitive answere ... and yes I've thoroughly read "Rojak's" years ago.
  5. Since I know your dying to hear what happened ... here goes. I was delayed a day putting the chip in as when I set my clocks and ram back to stock before the swap ... WHAM ... CRASH ... total black screen on reboot, haven't had a black screen on my personal computers in over 2 years. I'm thinking @#$% what a time to have the PSU or RAM bork on me. To make a long story shorter, I had that ol' single core Opty well trained she would not walk any more only run. :confused: So I left her over clocked, and retested for stability (8 hrs+). I know it sounds anal, but who in their right mind would want to put a new chip in a possibly unstable system! Day 2 - I'm more than anxious to get started. Did a stock install for warranty reasons and when I went to plug in the stock 4-pin HSF it won't fit on my board (nF4 Ultra-D). There is a resistor exactly where the 4th pin (blue lead) goes, and the fan controller from the Zalman only accepts 3-pin also. OK I'm "all-in" now, and going to break protocal a bit. I'm in a semi-remote area out on the Truckee River and instead of making the long trek to town to get what I need which nobody probably has in stock, I break out my trusty DREMMEL and viola 3-pin HSF! Time to power up, and don't forget to Load Optimized Settings (defaults) in the bios, F10 and reboot back into bios to check settings and run a loop of mem86+. For all the previous drama the rest was CAKE. :cool: The cpu fan spun-up, booted right into Windows and ACPI Multiprocessor was recognized, etc. Did some minor stability tests SuperPi, 10min Prime (Orthos), yadi-ya ... went back into the bios to configure things, including ram settings and volts. Wow there's a lot of settings I haven't touched in awhile, like "Set max TLP for the PCI Express device" ... I think mine was 256, somewhere I read it should be 1/2 to the same # as your GPU Ram? or Mac Lan, is it Pin Strap or RGMII? Don't forget to disable CPU throttling, my default was set @ 50%. Do ya think it might be a good idea for some to write all that down before you reset to defaults? Did more stress tests i.e.. 3DMark05/06. '06 was 700pts higher even at stock clocks over the OC'd single core. '05 was slower, but we all know why this is normal because 05 isn't optimized for dual-core! Ran Orthos overnight in prep for the real deal (OC'ing) tomorrow. Enough blogging already ... to summarize ... I haven't had to install any Hotfixes, Optimizers, or AMD drivers as of yet, and Windows seems to be operating fine! I answered my own silly question above on monitoring ... MBM5 works fine, with 11.0c case ambient's the highest LOAD temps reached (with Orthos) were cpu-38c / PMWIC-50c / NB-48c ... at 1st I thought something's wrong, but after comparing other tests I realized 2 things. Orthos puts a helluva strain on the ram and this Opty should be a very good clocker, idle 32c and load only 38c ... yes the computer room is very cool this time of year. and my case is set-up very clean ... The CPU stock HSF seems to be operating normally, although I'm not sure the rpm's readings are correct, it does speed-up and slow down relative to the cpu temps. And it is definitely a bit louder than the single-core's stock HSF. I see the Zalman 9500 sitting here, in the Opty's future ... While running various Dual SuperPI tests 1m/32m the 2 cores never recorded the same times. Matter of fact core:0 was almost 8 seconds faster than core:1 in the 32m test, But in the 1m test it was about .15 hundreds slower :confused: ... is this an indicator of trouble ahead??? I also thought I noticed a speed up during one of these tests, but couldn't get it to repeat. I may be applying the Hotfix etc after all ... we'll see, I'm not convinced yet. "?" During Orthos testing, is the red tag/box - "Paging" - that appears briefly over the "Rounds" box normal? It's looking like the extra 100$ for the Opty 180, to extend the life of the Ultra-D 939 for another couple of years is going to pay off for me, in my case anyway (Overclocking, warranty, peace of mind). I don't know if the (PIB's) will be around much longer, if you want one ... the 175 is back @ 20$ less than the 180 ... I still think the 180 is the best deal for a PIB depending on your ram and if you like to OC @ 200/1:1. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....name=Socket+939 Any input, comments, or suggestions are always appreciated ... thanks guy's! PS: After a stable OC is established and several hours of intense 3D apps to determine if "rubber-banding" (speed-ups/slowdowns) are going to be an issue, I'll report back.
  6. Thanks wevsspot/Soundx98, getting a bit excited as chip should be here by tomorrow. Hey wev how could you let Petrino let both his backs go to the NFL, that's for another day? Everest is a very good, comprehensive program, I use to use it a lot years ago, but then I got hooked on MBM5 for overclocking, it's free and very accurate, I compared it to several other utilities back in the day. @Soundx98 ... from the MBM5 link it looks like the same setup/config I did a couple years ago. Kind of a newb ?, but will it read both core temps independently, or do I need to mod something else? Or is the one cpu temp reading good for both cores as they are on the same die? @wevsspot I found this link for the 0406 bios, is this right? Their site is a bit confusing as to where the boards revision code can be found ... my tag was on the Karajan sound module R.A00 (in the lower right corner) so that's revision 'A' . I also read the "change logs" and it looks like the 6/23 bios also supports dual-core, but the 0406 is the latest official update. Date Code 2006/04/06 File NF4LD406.ZIP Size 407,189 bytes http://www.dfi.com.tw/Support/Download/bio..._FLAG=A&SITE=US I'm still looking for a step by step (click by click) noobs guide for flashing in DOS, or more info on flashing with Diamond Flash Image? Or you can use WinFlash in windows if you don't have a floppy drive, but I think most old timers would agree this is the least reliable. I'm including more info and links as someone else may run across this thread and find it easier to get the info they need. Here's a link for the stress-testing utilities and how to mod for dual-core ... came from Soundx98's sig "Praz on stability testing": http://www.diy-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67768 Praz could update it by replacing the Prime95 test with Orthos, which as I understand is a simplified variation. Also he could add in a monitoring utility, be it MBM5, Everest, or NXsensor .... ? Orthos Prime v20050420. This is dual-core prime. It runs one instance, which stresses both cores. Attached Files orthos_exe_20060420.zip (1.04 MB) http://www.overclock.net/downloads/138142-...-v20060420.html Some other versions come as a smaller ".cab" file (443kb) I don't know the difference, if any, yet ... it's the same version. So in the spirit of "If it's not broke, don't fix it" I'm just going to set my clocks/volts all back to normal, swap the chip, and see how many things I get to fix. EDIT: Not to confuse anyone ... after swapping the chip on 1st boot, hit Del to get into Cmos(bios) and load Optimised Defaults. F10 to Save and Reboot. ... I may also chicken out and reload WinXP sp2 as that is the wise thing to do.
  7. Thanks wevsspot! that will certainly Help! Also I guess I'm not to out of date if I stress/stabilize test with my ol' favorite tools ... mem86+, prime 95, SuperPi, OCCT for fun, 3DMark06 (do I need to update it with that recent patch?) and I liked MBM5 for monitoring, but I think I had to add some files (from SoundX98 if memory serves me right) to get it to work properly. Or would Speedfan be easier or do you have any other suggestions? Thanks again!!!! being drug back to the NFL boobtube!
  8. Thanks ... it certainly confirms what I suspected ... but what about the Hotfix, registry edit to enable, did you have to mess with that? ... and the pmtimer? did you leave it in with the optimizer? And lastly did you go back in and remove the AMD drivers and the Optimizer for your final setup?
  9. ... and went with the Opty 180 for the home gaming rig (XP Home SP2). Will be here next week. I think there are a lot more of us now that have matured and realize the "true value" in a proven stable platform such as the 939 and Like many couldn't pass up the ridiculously cheap dual-cores that are now becoming somewhat scarce! A 600$ - 700$ chip that now goes for a buck69$, new (PIB) :eek: ... probably more frugal/wiser to pick up a 3800+ and set it to 10x250 and be done with it ... but there's still a little "dragon" in me ... probably always will be. Those of you that have chased/embraced the "dragon" no what I mean ... no I mean adrenalin you ... Anyway, I read through the entire thread over @ Xtreme (plus dozens of links) http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=81429 and changed my analysis several times of the proper procedure as I progressed through the pages ... god bless "Gar" :angel: for maintaining that thread for almost 2 years, even with his miscues! I'm of the school "if it's not broke, don't fix it" and I think I agree with Travis (Angry) that all you need is a fresh OS install and possibly the Hotfix + registry edit to enable it, if you have XP Home, ... and not having any other problems such a "rubber banding" while gaming (speedups/slowdowns). Even AMD doesn't recommend their drivers unless your having probs . Can you imagine the frustration people had when upgrading to dual-core and at the same time purchasing the expansion "Immortal Throne" for "Titan Quest" ... LoL ... guess it's not that funny , would have driven me crazy as there is no simple fix for the code in the expansion. Sooo ... I'll get my chip sometime next week, and I'm just going to pop it in and see what happens ... probably have to reinstall Windows. The drivers on my tweaked/slipstreamed OS disc are a bit dated :confused: (chipset: nForce4_amd_6.70_winxp2k_english ... 34.2 MB Date 1-23-06) ... and those creative sound drivers ... hmmm ... etc, etc ... A little help here ... I'm having a bit of trouble finding the nF4 Ultra-D 0704-2bta or 0406 BIOS versions without having to download all 90MB of Tmods bios utility (can't find it anywhere, think my son sticky fingered it) and the bios factory section seems disjointed :tooth: ... Want to be ready just in case I need to flash the board. AND .... if anyone's interested. I'll post back my experience's as well. I think it's the same ol - same ol ... in that there is no definitive/correct procedure even when the hardware and OS is near identical ... if you don't have a problem don't fix it! :cool: PS it can be bit tricky finding the link for the Hotfix-KB896256 and even which one to use. Xtreme got it all confused for a few pages of the thread and their link doesn't work right now at least for me ... so here it is again ... http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...FB8A0FCE3B#top Any help ... thoughts ... and or comments ... are sincerely appreciated
  10. ... any Details? I, like you have been out of the loop for quite awhile now, and quit "chasing the Dragon" sometime ago. I think there are a lot more of us now that have matured and realize the "true value" in a proven stable platform such as the 939 ... lets face it ... once you "embrace" the Dragon you can never truly ride Her again! ... many of you know what I'm saying ... ehhhh:angel: I'm in a bit of a different situation than you but face many of the same OS, Driver, Optimizer, Hotfix(s), Reg edits ... etc., that you do. I'm sticking with the ol' 939 for awhile longer by upgrading to a dual-core Opty 180 for the home gaming rig (XP Home SP2). And like many couldn't pass up the ridiculously cheap dual-cores that are now becoming somewhat scarce! :eek2: A 700$ chip that now goes for a buck69$, new (PIB):cool: ... probably more frugal/wiser to pick up a 3800+ and set it to 10x250 and be done with it ... but there's still a little "dragon" in me ... probably always will be. Anyway, I read through the entire thread over @ Xtreme (plus dozens of links) http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=81429 and changed my analysis several times of the proper procedure as I progressed through the pages ... god bless "Gar" :angel: for maintaining that thread for almost 2 years, even with his miscues! I'm of the school "if it's not broke, don't fix it" and I think I agree with Travis (Angry) that all you need is a fresh OS install and possibly the Hotfix + registry edit to enable it, if you have XP Home, ... and not having any other problems such a "rubber banding" while gaming (speedups/slowdowns). Even AMD doesn't recommend their drivers unless your having probs . Can you imagine the frustration people had when upgrading to dual-core and at the same time purchasing the expansion "Immortal Throne" for "Titan Quest" ... LoL ... guess it's not that funny:O, would have driven me crazy as there is no simple fix for the code in the expansion.:eek2: Sooo ... I'll get my chip sometime next week, and I'm just going to pop it in and see what happens ... probably have to reinstall Windows, the drivers on my tweaked/slipstreamed OS disc are a bit dated (chipset: nForce4_amd_6.70_winxp2k_english ... 34.2 MB Date 1-23-06) ... and those creative sound drivers ... hmmm ... etc, etc :confused: .... Oh and I'm having a bit of trouble finding the nF4 Ultra-D 0704-2bta or 0406 BIOS versions without having to download all 90MB of Tmods bios utility (can't find it anywhere, think my son sticky fingered it) ... just in case I need to flash the board. Probably should have posted this ? over at my original thread ... in fact I will. http://www.diy-street.com/forum/showthread...5459#post775459 BUT .... if anyone's interested, and stangt00 doesn't mind, I'll post back my experience's as well. I think it's the same ol - same ol ... in that there is no definitive/correct procedure even when the hardware and OS is near identical ... if you don't have a problem don't fix it! PS it can be bit tricky finding the link for the Hotfix-KB896256 and even which one to use. Xtreme got it all confused for a few pages of the thread and their link doesn't work right now at least for me ... so here it is again ... http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...4FB8A0FCE3B#top Holy Crap ... NFL pregame is almost on ... GO RAIDERS! ... oh yea that's right, another dismal season with no end in sight, thank god for techno diversions ... and the Raiders Cheerleaders ...
  11. THANKS MUCH FOR THE QUICK REPLIES !! I think I have a controller from a Zalman around here somewhere ... but thats good to know I can just plug it in to test it. I thought of going with the X2 3800 OEM from the Egg (less than half the $ of the 180) but it's a Manchester not a Toledo core, does it really matter? ... I would definately be disappointed if it doesn't clock to 2.7 or 2.8 (I run my 148 @2.8 24/7) ... and the 12 multi on the 180 would make a 1:1 - 2.8 clock a cinch (probably!/maybe?) with my ram. Plus it's bigger cache, but more watts, but blah, blah ... I guess I've been an "Opty" fan for to long :confused: Never had a poor performer ...and the 180 originally retailed over 600$ ... now it's as cheap as the single core optyies we all bought a couple of years ago to clock with that was a little more hit and miss ... mostly hit:cool: Anyway thanks again for the "Always reliable Info" here @ the STR.
  12. Hi guys, it's been a long time :eek: ... glad to see the "Street" is still going strong ... !!! I have a couple ?'s regarding one last upgrade to the ol' 939 Ultra-D. What a fantastic board it has been. Anyway I want to put in a dual-core Opty (probably the 180) ... my ?'s are: 1) The stock HSF has a 4 pin connector (the board has a 3 pin header) I've heard you can connect it directly anyway with no problems ... ? 2) A little off "Forum" ... but I also read a comment @ the Egg that Windows XP Home will not work with the dual core "Opty" ... and that you'll need WinXP Professional to get it to operate properly ... True? ... not True? sometimes reviews at the Egg can be way off base ... ? Is this a simple plug-in SWAP? If I'm overlooking any other issue's, such as the AMD dual-core optimizer program ... PLEASE CHIME IN ! Any comments or personal experiences would be very much appreciated !!! :angel:
  13. Thanks guys! Now to fine tune the question. If I mount an EVGA 7900GT with stock HSF, not sure what the MSI stock HSF looks like ( google x) looks like Capt Proton is no longer stock ...? On Sata connections 1 and 2 are you guys plugging straight in (without the 90 degree connector(s)) and the clearance is adequate? ... witch sata connection(s) are you using and are you using (needing) the angle connectors? Probably have to use the 90 degree connector(s) on Sata 4 but what did you do about Sata 3? or did you just "Squeeze" it in there ((between the NB Fan) going the opposite way? ... Looks like Capt Proton is running 4xSata drives and Loggan26 your running 2xSata drives ... at the moment I'm only needing 2 Sata connections on this rig, but newer optical drives will change that ... Thanks again for your help and input ...:)
  14. Anyone with 1st hand experience putting a 7900GTO (9" long) on an Ultra -D and having clearance for all 4 Sata connections? Sata 3 & 4 look very iffy but does Sata 1 and/or 2 clear? Right now I'm only using the Sata1 on the gamming rig below. Sorry Edit: that's an EVGA 7900GT with the GTX cooler (it's big!) ... don't know if MSI uses the same cooling solution ... Are there right angle (90 degree) connectors that can be used? ... if so where do you get them? Thanks in advance ...
  15. Here's a new Post and update in reference to: http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61240 so others can take advantage of the usually wonderful "SEARCH" function! OK ... I had no luck finding the no longer available SVC cable above (see link), and am a little surprised no one chimed in with a new source. In my opinion DFI is the "Ferrari" of MB's and this cable should come with the board! Some will always complain about price ... but what is your time worth? Until then or for those that make their own custom wiring leads or harnesses, and understand the time involved for a quality job, and are into "sharp looking" ... efficient cable management ... maybe you'd be interested in the custom cable harness below? Think about it ... are you loosing some of the stability gained by making all 4 MB power connections because of "sloppy" cable management and extra heat not being properly ventilated? Hank obviously concurred there is a need here, was very helpful, and made it easier to order ... even lowered the price for custom colored sleeving! You're welcome in advance ... can I have a "cookie" now Order Here: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/ind...oducts_id=20546 Original Description: I would like a 6" Molex extension and a 6" FDD floppy connector plug (4-pin female) added in at the (male) Molex end, (daisy chain style ... not 2 - 6" Y's), 6" measured wire length (not including the plug length) on both leads, sleeved and shrink wrapped in yellow, with black plugs/connectors. For reference see 8-pictures down http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread...power+connector or here's some more views on the connections needed http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread...power+connector note to Angry ... please change the thread title if you feel it would better serve the "search" function.
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