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  1. Really? I have read some horror stories about Win10 auto-updating everything, including drivers. I am debating Win10 but I don't like the fact that people are reporting despite setting the OS to not auto-update it still does. I've heard of people using WSUS servers to control updates. Found this on a google search... Preventing a certain Windows Update from installing on Windows 10 Not sure if its still necessary after the TH2 update in November. Seems like whenever Windows "suggests" a manufacturer update (e.g. GPU driver) it is always several versions behind so I'd rather control my updates. I shouldn't have read up on it because now I'm disenchanted from the shady stuff I've read (auto-updates, forcing win10 updates on people, sharing your information, etc.) and now I'm probably more paranoid than I should be. But figure if I open up discussion people on this forum who know more can share what they learned.
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    Skylake or...?

    Yah as I said I'm not going with the 212/+ for this build. I want something different. So still looking for more opinions on high end air coolers VS aio hydro coolers. For example, what do people think of the reliability of Corsair's current AIO hydro coolers, and what high end air coolers (top 3 maybe) do people consider good competition? 3 more things purchased... Samsung 850 EVO 500GB - $148 WD Black 2TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM - ($120 -$10) ... $110 CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) - ($109 -$10) ...$99 The HDD and Memory was a combo deal for $20 less. Now it shows that same combo $10 less. I sort of rushed my order because it looked like all hard drive (platter and ssd) was increasing in price as I saw them increasing in prices on other sites. I didn't take that hint with the CPU so now I'm still waiting on a good price there. The SSD did go up in price but the standard HDD is holding its price on Newegg at least. I know faster memory doesn't mean much, if anything, but the combo price put it in line with the other memory sticks and a decent deal on the hdd. Wanted black, not red, but oh well. Been debating a red/black Corsair 760T/780T so if I do go that route at least it will match but leaning to the white.
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    first build

    I was told to stay away from Corsair CX series PSUs. If you can spare the budget you might want to spend a bit more on a PSU. I had a PSU fry my entire build. Oddly enough it was a Corsair. It was a gold rated one so I think I just got super unlucky but either way I do like to play it safe with PSUs. You might also want to consider an after market cooler. Supposedly Skylake runs cool so perhaps not necessary, but the Cooler Master Hyper 212 is a good budget cooler. I'm probably not the best to offer up advice at this time since I don't know the current tech but your post looked so lonely.
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    Skylake or...?

    So I had a Corsair H80 previously and it blew up on me, soaked my motherboard and graphics card. Luckily the only thing that fried was the H80 (1st gen). Everything else needed an alcohol bath and was gtg. I keep reading the Corsairs have high failure rate but most of those reads were in 2013. What are people's thoughts on it? If they're pretty solid now I actually don't mind giving them another try but I would really love some advice in this area. I looked up NH-D14 just out of curiosity and I guess that is no longer being sold. If I went air, what would be the top 3 coolers to try? I know about the Evo 212 but want something better this build since that is what I switched to after the H80 tanked. If I went Corsair, I'm looking at the H100i GTX since I'm planning on going with the Corsair 780T case and it supports a big rad. But again I defer to people who know the current tech.
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    Skylake or...?

    Then Newegg just got some in stock. Though 6700k shows out of stock for me (at the time of this post). I hated living in D.C. but damn was Microcenter the best place for times like this, not to mention Newegg sometimes had same day shipping. Going to Vegas for Christmas but quick look at Frys.com shows the 6600k only on sale for $10 less but I will check again when I'm there. Microcenter shows $50 off the 6600k and $30 off the 6700k. I originally based my processor decision when 6600k was selling for $220, but if it is a price diff of $270 vs $390 than I will be tempted to go 6700k. We'll see though. I got patience. Might just have to wait till after Christmas which I'm ok with since I won't have this built before then anyway.
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    Skylake or...?

    Holy moley, it is hard finding a 6600k right now ...hell I even looked for a 6700k. None of those either. Bout tempted to ask if he has one of those on the shelf too lol. Sure things will go back to normal after the Christmas rush. Supposedly Amazon will be back in stock on the 11th. Newegg sadly gives no estimates.
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    OCC dead?

    Wai wut?! Old Timers? Where? Oh hey Nate!
  8. Fogel

    Skylake or...?

    @IVIY Really? How much do you want for it? Are you not using it because you don't like it or because you got something better?
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    Skylake or...?

    @FUZi0N Every comment in that post answered some form of question I had, thanks for taking the time to write that. I am currently eyeing the Corsair 780T case. The NZXT Phantom is also on the radar. Welcome to suggestions. I do like windows as it is my lazy way of keeping tabs on dust levels. I love my Corsair 600T as very little dust makes it in so even though the 780T isn't exactly the best looking case to me it looks like an overall functional upgrade to my 600T. I saw what appeared to be really great deals today so I jumped on them but since I haven't been following them I have no clue if it is common pricing or not. $140 (-$20 code + $40 rebate) = $80 EVGA 220-G2-0850-XR 80 PLUS GOLD 850 W ECO $315 (-$1 for free game + $20 rebate) = $295 ASUS GeForce GTX 970 STRIX So $434 out of pocket with $60 possible in rebate if I can figure out how to work the rebate site (put my info in and it took me back to search screen). No e-mail confirmation so guessing it did not work. Anyhow 3 parts ordered (also got a K70). Went higher than the 550W you recommended when I saw that day only special on the PSU. I like having extra headroom anyway. And it was the G2 psu you mentioned. Kind of want to buy a fancy motherboard for a change. Looking at this board - ASUS rog maximus viii hero. I know nothing of M.2 drives but they look like the next big thing and this board supports it so might be a good upgrade down the line when prices drop. Also supports USB 3.1. Reviews seem pretty polarizing on how easy it is to OC with 5-Way Optimization but might be fun to try. Thinking if I see a sale/rebate dropping it to $200 even or sub-$200 it might be worth it. I can afford it without that but think that would push me from "would be nice" to "buying it!". What do you think? @dr_bowtie Aww @ccokeman Thanks! Think I will go Skylake since there doesn't appear to be any good reason to not go Skylake ...at least what has been presented to me so far. The differences in prices (including memory) appear minimal to me. I go long periods without upgrades so I get a lot of mileage out of my gear ...unless it brakes. So $20 here and there averaged out of at least 5-7 years (I'm still using a C2D) makes it pretty moot.
  10. I have the old M60 and I really like it even though I don't use the sniper button. It glides so smoothly on my Steelseries mat. The G5 was my favorite mouse before the M60. I tried a M90 because there was some insanely awesome Black Friday deal on it but had nothing but problems with it. So completely polarizing experience from the M60, which is my all time favorite right now. So I will try the M65 on my new build and move the M60 to the web surfer machine.
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    OCC dead?

    Maybe someone who hasn't posted in 2 years (almost exactly ...till I posted in System Builds) can offer a slightly different (but the same ) view point. I don't think it's review content this site lacks. Part of the lull is definitely because well the PC world just isn't all that interesting right now - not much improvement from SandyBridge. Part of the lull is because not many games truly require insanely awesome PCs to play lush. You can get really good graphics from both the PS4 and XB1, especially since they are both still quite new. Not good enough to please a PC gamer but good enough to impress everyone who has no idea what DDR is and that is a LOT of people. We take it for granted but this is a niche market. Not many know how to build a computer let alone have the need for a powerful gaming rig/workstation. Social Networking technology has also terraformed the internet quite a bit as someone else alluded to. Before forums were the convienent way to find information. They were also the best way to communicate. Now you have so many ways to communicate that are more instant and can be continued on a mobile app for people to check anywhere. While many see Reddit as a curse it still keeps forums relative, especially among gamers. That said, what the forum needs is more activity from its current user base. In the two years I have visited a few times with the intent to post but noticed many topics had single digit replies and large gaps between replies. Hard to keep members when no one is talking. Hard to acquire new members when they don't think anyone will respond to them. Gotta have posters to get new posters. Gotta reply to them to keep them. I came here looking to see what people think of Skylake because people I know IRL have no clue what a Skylake is. No one is talking about Skylake in the Processor section. Seriously? Why become a member of this forum if no one is even talking about the new technology? Even if it is incremental gains that kind of talk will let someone who wants to know more the deal. Want to keep OCC relavant... TALK! And be supportive of people looking for information. In the Netflix show, Jessica Jones, there was a line that rung very true... "It's called Google moron, use it!" Laughed my butt off because people actually talk like that on forums. If your forum has too many people (like reddit) than sure but most forums in general shouldn't follow that example. If someone asks what seems like an easy question, humor them ...maybe even add some info so the posts keep flowing. May also keep people interested so even if they're newbs today they become the experts later. Also way too much platform bashing. I know many comments are tongue in cheek (like the picture above) but for those not used to us it doesn't come across that way. Well the picture should come across as a joke but there have been quite a few serious negative comments about consoles and console gamers over the years. There are many gamers who play on both PC and Console. Besides we should be past this by now. How are platform/console wars still a thing? It really is childish. Not to mention many console gamers are having to build decent rigs now so they can stream Twitch to a bigger audience. Why come here asking for advice if everyone is making fun of consoles? Streaming is the thing now. Accept it and help it grow. Don't scare away the console gamers. If anything embrace them, you might end up recruiting more to "teh masta race" in the long run. Probably not a popular opinion but that's my take and some may take my opinions harsher than I mean them. But I'm only saying it because I like this place and would like to see it regain traction. I actually don't have any specific posts or posters in mind. Just general comments for things I've seen over the years I been here.
  12. Well yeah, but I ONLY play exclusives on consoles. Anything else is not playing them to the best they can be! Absolutely nothing wrong with that! These days for me it's about playing what is convienent to me, but some games I need on the PC. I absolutely want to play Overwatch on the PC, no subs. It was looking good before but they just keep adding to it. PS4 is a solid system though, I'm happy with it. The exclusives are great, good support on the apps so it's my go to machine for Netflix, Crunchyroll and such. Since I don't have a beast of a PC I chose it to play Mordor and it still looks really good. Obviously not what a PC can put out with mods but it would impress all but the tech savvy PC gamers. I been away for so long though I may have to learn how to git gud again like I had to learn how to play on the console.
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    Skylake or...?

    Hey thanks FUZi0N! Appreciate you taking the time to reply. Is your build including Skylake because that is what I mentioned or because it is right move? Few bucks more the H80i has a two fan rad, any advantage to that or is that why the H75? Will it fit LGA1151 even though it's not listed? Any noticeable difference going with 3000Mhz memory or is it still fairly negligible these days? So even with 1TB SSDs now (wow ...crazy) still best to go with a SSD+HDD combo looks like. Looks like a pretty big drop off in GB/$ going from 500GB to 1TB. EVGA makes PSUs now? Guess it makes sense since all the companies are crossing boundaries but still feels pretty crazy to me. How do they compare to Seasonic and Corsair PSUs? I see you have a GTX980. Obviously at the time you felt it was worth the price bump from the 970, still feel that way? edit; Hey IVIY! I hear ya. SB is most definitely THE solid chip. From the few sites I've skim read it appears there is enough of an advantage for new purchasers like me to make the move to Skylake, BUT... you can never tell if they're saying that because it's true or if they feel loyal for the test samples they receive. I've only checked 3 sites so far (Guru3D, AnAndTech and some other site). Seems like Skylake doesn't fair too well with the 700 series GTX gpus but does a lot better with the 900 series which seems odd to me but whatever, that's why I'm here asking people I look up to and trust. I feel like a newb all over again. Glad there are some familiar faces still here to get me out of hiding.
  14. I'm a gamer through and through. I used to call myself a PC Gamer first above all but I'm platform agnostic. Games are what matter, not platforms. Took me awhile to adjust to FPS on console but I'm at least competitive now. Invested in some old platforms to play some of the older games, especially ones I grew up playing. Got a Retron to play NES and SNES games as well as N64 and Wii. PS1, PS2, PS3 and now PS4. Only a 360 from the MS camp, though I did play the hell out of it. If I stuck to my PC guns I would have missed out on insanely awesome games like Last of Us, Bloodborne and pretty much anything made by Naughty Dog.
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    Skylake or...?

    MISTER Bowtie! What is up man? Nice to see many of familiar faces I remember, especially yours. If you help me out this build than I think you will have helped me out with every build I've made lol. The Core2Duo machine has some annoyances but its still chugging on. So what's your take? I need some advice and since you were the only one silly enough to respond to my thread I might have to latch on to you!
  16. So I have a somewhat aging Core2Duo system I would love to replace. I haven't kept up with current PC tech at all so I don't know what is what anymore. Though before I worked up the nerve to write this post I did some quick google searches and skim read some articles so I wouldn't be a complete lost puppy dog. Right now the only PC game truly calling my name is SC2, but I do want a gaming rig for when Overwatch comes out. My poor Steam account has been untouched in a couple years - sad state. I started with computer gaming so not having a gaming rig to play the latest kinda bugs me. So it's not just the fact I want to replace this Core2Duo (on XP ...ahem). Look like Skylake is new kid in town and if I went that direction it looks like a 6600k ...K since OCing seems pretty simple on it. Though the benchmarks I've seen don't seem conclusive it is better than the simarily priced Broadwell chips. With Skylake you get DDR4. The benchmarks I saw don't seem conclusive that DDR4 is that much better than DD3 as it actually lost quite a few tests, but every site seems to say DDR4 is the way to go. Didn't read up on USB 3.1 at all so not sure what the benefit is there and why there is a Type A and Type C. Like I said, I skim read (at best) very quickly just so I know what questions to ask. The roadmaps I saw were all over the place so not sure when Skylake-E is releasing and if it is even worth waiting for that. Skylake actually appears to have a drop in performance with mid-tier graphics cards (from the benchmarks I saw - 3 diff sites) compared to Broadwell so if I go this route I would go Nvidia 970 ...probably would anyway. Bad thing is there doesn't appear to be too many reviews on the motherboards for Skylake right now so it appears it is very new and I would be an early adopter (beta tester?). I can get over that and even the price tag so as long as I would have solid rig I can count on. I would probably even spring for a more expensive motherboard. I don't upgrade often so my purchases go a long way (usually). Now that you know where I hail from is Skylake for me? Or should I wait a bit more for something about to release? Or should I go back in time (Broadwell, Haswell)? Generic Build right now: - 6600k - LGA 1151 (probably Asus or Gigabyte) - GTX 970 - What memory sticks should I aim for? (spell it out for me because I'm a newb again) - SSD ...who is the king? queen? - PSU? - HSF? Looks like the negative reviews, especiallly on Newegg, are still a thing. Really hard to pick parts with such contrasting reviews and little to back up the claims. Help please? Need a fast quality build that will last me a few years for gaming and music mostly. Not going to buy the most expensive parts but I'm not too worried on price. Quality is #1 for me, then bang for the buck.
  17. Ok separate post since I found some actual cars that might interest you with decent mileage on most. All manual. Not all good gas mileage (worst is the cobra) but most should be decent. Though you would need to drop $1k more on your limit. 2006 Subaru WRX - 127k miles (not many WRXs to choose from) 2008 Mazda Speed 3 Sport - 62k miles 2001 Ford Mustang Cobra Coupe - 95k miles 2004 Nissan 350Z (Roadster) - 87k miles (had an accident ...wouldn't really trust any used 350Z to be honest, always ridden hard) 2008 Volkswagon GTI - 90k miles 2001 Audi TT 1.8T quattro Roadster w/ 225hp - 77k miles (fun car ...but green lol) 2001 Audi TT 1.8T quattro Roadster w/ 225hp - 74k miles (found a red one) 2006 Acura RSX Type S - 96k miles 2001 Toyota MR2 Spyder - 36k miles 2007 Mini Coop S - 28k 2007 Ford Mustang GT Premium - 91k (fleet vehicle though) 2010 Mazda MAZDA3 i Sport Sedan - 24k 2005 Mazda MAZDA6 s Sport - 65k I think the $1k hike made a good difference in options but your money.
  18. Ya I know, they were more like example cars. I couldn't find any good deals on the Type S nor a tC with decent mileage for that price range. I just can't suggest a car with 100k miles to anyone because I know I wouldn't spend $10k on a car that has that much mileage on it. I'm surprised you are dedicated to drive manual in that area. I lived in DC and the traffic was flat out miserable. It took me 6 hours to get from NJ back to VA ...granted most of that drive was on the beltway and very little in between. But I couldn't imagine driving a stick day in and day out in that mess. And the east coast is so unforgiving on cars out there, especially this time of year due to the road salt. I don't know how bad NJ traffic is day to day but taking 45min just to go 2 miles in DC was a nightmare.
  19. @wevsspot WRXs are beasts of a car! Always wanted one. I test drove a 2010 back then so the only recent is just a ride in my co-worker's 2014. I can't say I like their looks but that boxer engine gets a ton of love from me. Great cars but they do not compete with the cars I'm talking about in this thread. I would pit the WRX against the Mazda Speed 3, Volkswagon GTI, Lancer EVO, Hyundai Genesis, and Ford Focus ST. @IVI Actually I drove more cars than the 3 in the OP but no one requested I review those as well so I didn't take the time to write another Wall of Text. If people want me to I can provide more information or do another full review. Other cars I test drove: 2014 BMW 328i w/ Sport Package 2012 Mercedes E350 w/ Sport Package 2011 BMW 335i (1 year older than one in review but a LOT of difference) 20xx Infinity G35 As well as other cars not in this category like a Ford Fusion, Nissan Altima, Camaro RS, bla, bla, blah. @MercuryDoun Actually I wanted to try the Caddy ATS 3.6 but didn't get around to it. Of course the CTS would be grander but I was trying to keep it in range of cars I could own someday. I hear the handling is absolutely superb on the ATS and more fun to drive than the other cars. Supposedly it falls apart after that but one thing that is great about the cars in this category is the refined handling Going from German and high end Japanese cars to low end American cars and low end Japanese cars made me feel like I had no control over the car and I found myself really missing the Lexus and BMWs. So if the ATS is on top of that than it is high on my desire to test drive list.
  20. I agree with Waco. I find American muscle cars with V6s to be way underpowered due to their weight. I didn't spend a long time searching but this seemed pretty decent for money - not terribly old, good gas mileage, good carfax report and low mileage. Not sporty compared to old WRXs, Cobras or EVOs but would still be a decent ride. 2008 Scion tC - $10,995 (ya slightly above budget though) Better looking but higher mileage and no carfax report: 2006 Acura RSX - $9850 Just a different set of cars to look at it in contrast to the other options people presented.
  21. Not sure why you would say that. BMW classifies it as a sports sedan and I've seen review sites refer to it as one. It has a sport suspension and less than 6.0s 0-60 time. In fact I think the Lexus IS 250 is classified as a one and its way under powered in comparison. There are different levels of sports sedans. The 335i is definitely king of the 3 series so it gets all attention. Well jeez you got a nice car and its still new! I didn't say it in the OP but the only reason I'm motivated to test drive all these cars is because I was in an accident and its looking like my car will be totaled. So I figured since I'm already out looking at cars... why not. I ended test driving the 328i and it was actually a fun little car despite all the "true BMW fans" being mad at it. It is quick and nimble. If I had to pick a car simply for the slalom I would pick the 328i as I just liked how nimble it felt. That said, I can definitely see why all the BMW purists are mad at BMW right now. I test drove a 2011 335i, a 2012 335i and a 2014 328i and there are big differences between each one. I believe the 2011 was the last year for hydraulic steering so the 2011 had very stiff steering at low speeds and of course you could feel a bit more of the road. The 2012 didn't feel stiff at all but it was very firm and technical. The 2014 was pure electric steering so it felt more like a Lexus (though not as good) than a BMW. The bimmers were nice cars. I find them overpriced and a bit overrated but still very, very nice. They seem to be going through a identify crises right now. They were the king of sport sedans so everyone was trying to be like them. But now they are trying to be like the others. They are new to electric steering so they don't do it as well as the other car companies that been doing electric for awhile now. It is making a lot of their fan base mad right now. If the bimmer is your ultimate car I would wait to see how they react to the market. That said if you are ok with electric steering (I am) than 328i was still a very nice car. Just be flexible on the Options and the Colors you want in addition to the price tag hike. Did you read even the first paragraph? I expect nothing less from the great IVI Thanks for the compliment. For the longest time I couldn't see why anyone would spend that much money on a car either. I drove an old accord for 11 years and never looked down on it. Was a great car and did what I needed it to do => Point A => Point B. Now that I've test driven all these cars I can see people would want to spend the money. I test all these sport sedans and then tried a Camaro RS and WOW! The handling felt so horrible in comparison. There was so much play I felt like I had no control over the car ...and that's in addition to the ultra basic interior. There are a lot of good reasons to pick one of these cars. That said, BMW would be tops on your most hated list since it is by far the most overpriced. When I saw that a Lexus was $14k cheaper than a BMW 335i with the same options I thought... holy hell you could almost buy a Lexus and a Prius for the price of that BMW. Audi is probably the second most expensive. I was actually surprised that Mercedes is a better deal than BMW. I always had the misconception that it would be more expensive. Though I can see why people would spend that much now, I don't see you spending that much. ha ha hah
  22. Just in case some actually like this topic, will reserve this spot to add those other cars. (Merc, 328i, etc.)
  23. Note: If you don't like seeing bad things said about your favorite car than hit that back button because both bad things and good things will be said about each car. Won't be playing favorites. I haven't test driven these Sport Sedans before because they've been out of my price range so I've always relied on magazines and webzines and just simply drooled before. Well those are great and all but at some point you just got to go try them yourself because we each have different tastes. Test drives are free so why not. So far the only dealership that cared to ask me what my job was (I'm guessing to see how serious I was) was the BMW dealership so I told him what he wanted to hear. Now because these cars are what I deem expensive I'm going to hold these cars to a higher standard, so I will be a bit harsher than I normally would. Only comments I will apologize for would be if I listed some incorrect facts. That said, if you wish to defend a car I am always open to discussion. If you attack me for offering a different point of view I will just ignore you. I'm always up for fun talk ...especially about cars so friendly talk/debate is all good. 2011 Audi S4 Premium Plus Quattro HP: 333 Torque: 325 @2900 RPM Supercharged Automatic 7-speed AWD Fuel Economy: 18/28 0-60: 4.9s Pre-Owned: 21,017 miles Listed Price: $46,221 Haggled Price: $44,200 Performance This thing is a SPEED BEAST! Let's face it, we are talking sport sedans here. What is the point of owning one of these awesome cars if you are too afraid to open it up...? The S4 did not disappoint in the least. In fact, it places first in all my test drives so far. I am testing these cars at a fairly high elevation (5200ish ft) so I'm sure there is some power loss for cars lacking a supercharger. This car has that knock you back in your seat, opens your mouth, and makes your lips vibrate while begging for mercy speed. Ok that's a bit much but you get the point - thanks to that supercharger it knocks you back in your seat. Test driving this car made me feel like there wouldn't be many cars on the road faster than me, and of the ones that are faster would certainly be few and far between. From a pure speed perspective, it definitely had that WOW factor all the other cars failed to give me. Supercharger goes a long way, especially at this elevation. Handling One thing I did like was how the car felt like it was giving you everything. When you opened it up it felt as if the car was saying, "Here have all of me, I'm an easy ride!" But just like if you were to hear this from a girl the handling felt exactly like what you would expect. Felt loose. I always heard German cars, especially BMW and Audi, have the tightest handling of all the cars. My friend had an older Audi TT and the tight suspension and center of balance always impressed me as a passenger. So driving this car had me puzzled. There was a lot of play, more so than any other car. Now it is rather unfair to compare this car to the competition since it is the oldest (2011) with the most mileage (21k), but since the Carfax Report lists this as a 1-owner 0 accident car I figured it might not be an issue. Maybe the guy rode it hard. Maybe it is what it is. If I have time I will go to the Audi dealership and try a 2014 model. Though since I cannot afford one I will not promise to make this trip. This car was at a lot where I was already test driving other cars so that is why I was test driving '11. But ya, not a fan of the handling - would have loved the BMW or Lexus handling with this speed. To go back to a good note, I really did love how powertrain felt like it was giving you everything it had. Made you feel connected to the car in that regard. Look and Feel - Interior Cabin In a word - nice! This car felt like it is geared toward the single guy constantly out on the town trying to get from the Comedy Club to the Dance Club in 100mph or faster. It just felt like a manly car down to the Nav/Radio display (this card did not have Nav). Despite being a 2011 model I really wasn't disappointed with the interior. Sure it was showing its age and doesn't look nearly as nice as 2014 model but it was still nice. The seats didn't hug me which would have been nice for a car with this kind of speed potential. While they didn't hug the leather felt nice as it was softer than the other cars. Not too many features in this car so not a whole lot to talk about. I will say though, like the BMW the Nav Screen Display (what do you call this when there is no Nav?) looked very nice and something that appeals to the male crowd but wasn't extremely intuitive nor was there much to play with outside of selecting your radio station. Look and Feel - Exterior Nice, a bit dated now especially since almost every other car company has copied the Audi signature daytime running lights but still very nice. Like the interior it looks like a car that appeals to the young male crowd. In the sport sedan market and price range the German cars won't wow you with their looks but they won't irritate you either. It's a good looking car. Though I would take the 2014 model since the 2011's daytime lights look rather dated now with competition 1-up'ing it. Overall Thoughts If I really was purchasing one of these cars I would not buy this particular car due to the loose handling. Though if it was in my price range I would definitely go test drive a 2014 model and see if that is just how Audi's perform or if it was because this car was ridden hard. The S4 is the only car that had that WOW factor in terms of speed and I really loved how the car felt like it was giving you it's all. Before someone writes an angry post not read my BMW review, the Audi's track results are pretty much on par with the BMW and posts the same 0-60 result (4.9s). I feel like the difference in speed I'm feeling is due to the elevation but I could be wrong and it simply could just be the difference in how a Supercharger feels in comparison to a TurboCharger. 2013 BMW 335i Xdrive HP: 300 Torque: 300 @1200 RPM Intercooled Turbo Automatic 8-speed AWD Fuel Economy: 20/30mpg 0-60: 4.9s Pre-Owned: 9,808 miles Listed Price: $45,995 Haggled Price: N/A ...salesman not willing to negotiate unless ready to buy Performance No wow factor but definitely 2nd in the cars I test drove. Like the supercharger you can feel the punch when turbo kicks in but it's not nearly as pronounced. It is fast no doubt about that. The 335i had one thing about it I really did not like. After punching it and letting off the gas the engine whined as if it was left in a lower gear and the transmission forgot to upshift. It did this every time I let off the gas pedal so I wasn't sure what was going on there other than I didn't like it. Handling This is what "Bimmers" are known for. I heard other cars are starting to catch up so I had to try it for myself. BMWs are known as the "Ultimate Driving Machine" and the salesman made sure to remind me of this fact every mile we drove and even as we walked back into the dealership. His big sales pitch during the test drive was literally, "If you like the driving experience and it is quite clear you do than you will love a BMW." So I was expecting to be wow'd like the Audi wow'd me on pure speed, but to be honest... I wasn't. It had the best weight distribution as it felt about equal, which I like. I've always been extremely partial to cars with even weight distribution so that won me over as none of the other cars had that feel. It also felt very firm, tight and very technical. That is what I was expecting. I would easily expect this car to do better than the others on the track. After that though it lacked excitement. It was like a professor, very technical and correct in what it was doing but a bit boring. I'm sure this is going to get me flamed from all the bimmer fans but we all have different perspectives. If I had to rank this car's handling it would be 1st in my choice for track driving or if I was the next Transporter. For day to day driving on every day roads in every day conditions I would rank it 2nd. I love the equal weight distribution and I love the feel of the steering wheel connected to the drive train and before I test drove these sport sedans I thought that is all I needed in addition to tight controls. I'm not a big enough gear head to know what secret ingredient it is missing to make it feel so bland, but I will guess it is the suspension due to another car I test drove. Look and Feel - Interior Cabin This is where the Bimmer lost its sheen. BMWs are the Ultimate Driving Machine. But what happens when this is challenged? (Audi wins me over for speed and a car down below challenges the BMW for handling) Well it means it better impress me on the inside as well. Sadly there wasn't much to this car outside of AWD. It was as basic as it gets (no Nav, no heated seats, no rear view camera) as it pretty much just had dual zone climate control and that's it. Even the buttons looked dated. I would not be surprised if BMW has used those same buttons in the last 5+ years. It is possible to be minimalistic and still have a nice fit and trim. For a car of this price range (brand new it is $50k + due to the premium package) I expect higher quality materials. The Ford Fusion rental car I'm currently driving has higher quality buttons. Obviously the BMW has that higher quality stiff leather and uses real wood in its trim (not in this model) but overall I just looked at the cabin and went... meh. This wouldn't be an issue if it truly was "The Ultimate Driving Machine" but that is truly putting all your eggs in one basket and sadly the BMW didn't wow me in performance or handling. I did like the overall look of the Nav display (even tho this model didn't have Nav) as it felt very manly and professional looking ...well the radio at least (even though the salesman kept changing the radio to his likes, who doesn't like rock? ). Like the Audi there wasn't much to play with and options weren't exactly in intuitive spots so it kind of felt like an afterthought overall but the look at least complimented the BMW prestige. Look and Feel - Exterior Now here is where I would place the BMW #1. As I said with the Audi, German cars won't excite you (or should I say, me) but they also don't do anything wrong. Well ok one thing I really didn't care for was the eyelids on the headlights, those suck. But overall this car is a great looking car. It's hard to not like a BMW, it's got that mass appeal look. It just stinks of prestige. You look at it and it looks like someone of great importance or well respected drives it. It's best trait is also its weakness too though. Since it doesn't take chances it doesn't really have much personality on its own. Unless you are a gearhead or a Bimmer fan it is unlikely you would be able to tell the difference between it and prior years. Though on the flip side of that coin that could be another pro since normal people won't feel the need to upgrade to the newest and "greatest" model. Your BMW is likely to look good for years to come. The Germans are really good at keeping their signature look as well. You know what's coming at ya down the street a mile away. Though it doesn't dare to be different it's still my choice for the best looking exterior. Overall Thoughts Great overall car! Though it didn't wow me on the speed and is in close competition with another car (see below) for handling it does do a lot of things right. My biggest disappointment to be fully honest is what you DON'T get for what you pay. It truly feels like you are paying for the name. Though one great thing about BMW is that for 4yrs/50,000 miles you pay for no maintenance so you do get some (no where near enough for me) of your hard earned dollars back. The car below that challenges the BMW for handling is $14,000 cheaper for similar option package. The 335i Xdrive may start at $45,000 but if you want it with most of the options you would expect on a car of this caliber it is $58,100 (pre-haggle). That is a very steep buy in price. To make it worse, if you really want a BMW you have to be very flexible in the options you want and the colors you want. Some people really hate black cars and/or black interiors but many of the 328s coming in are black or charcoal gray with black interior ...all with various option packages (perhaps nav but no rearview camera, perhaps rearview camera but not much else, etc.). In fact they had no new 335s on the lot. The next 335i is coming in on Dec 11 and you better like Silver with black interior and want to pay for the Sport Line, Cold Weather, Driver Assistance, Premium and Technology packages because they have no clue when the next 335i is coming in after that as this dealership didn't even have another 335 at the factory being built yet. Now I did not ask if I could customize my own BMW, but I am planning on going back to test drive a 328i since that seems like a model that I really should be comparing to these other cars so I can ask then. Sadly I got the salesman that rushed to greet me even though he had a client coming in shortly which meant he only had time for 1 test drive. Which kind of annoyed me since all the other salesmen weren't doing anything but yapping on their smart phones. He wanted to set up an appointment but he'll be on my time now since he didn't have time for me then. I don't think he was used to my silent nature because his original sales pitch was "We have virtually no mark-up so there is very little room to negotiate on" to back flipping and saying "We have about a 7% mark-up and we have a very aggressive sales quota so there is room to bargain on when you decide which car you are going with." Though he was still unwilling to give me a haggle price until I know I am buying. I would press harder if I was actually going to purchase in this price range. 2014 Lexus IS 350 F-Sport HP: 306 Torque: 277 @4800 RPM Automatic 8-speed RWD (the AWD variant is 6-speed) Fuel Economy: 19/28mpg 0-60: 5.6s New Listed Price: $46,000ish Haggle Price: $44,400 Performance Noticeably less than the S4 and surprisingly just a little less than the bimmer. I say surprisingly because the S4 and the 335i should be nearly identical in performance (same 0-60 time, etc.) but I also feel like I was experiencing some power loss due to the elevation. Or perhaps it is just because since this car lacks the supercharger and turbo the other two cars have so it doesn't have that punch they do. That said, it is still fast. This will be plenty of power for most people. I was able launch very well and go from a safe distance behind another driver to passing him and getting in his lane in a very short time. So it has plenty of day to day power even if it's not a track star. Where as the S4 felt like it could get me in trouble the BMW 335i and the Lexus IS 350 F-Sport felt right on the money for the power I like. The power curve was very nice too. This probably should go in the handling section but one thing I really liked about this car was when I past that truck just before pulling back into the dealership and let off the gas it didn't stay in a lower gear like the 335 did but slowed down so I didn't have to slam on the breaks. If felt very controlled. Considering this car doesn't have a supercharger or turbocharger it has a nice finely tuned engine to pull over 300 HP. The bummer part of course is that at such a high elevation those two boost would sure help prevent that power loss since the air is thinner up here. Handling The Lexus doesn't connect the steering wheel directly to the drive train, it goes through a gear box so I was expecting a sloshy or lofty feel. Much to my delight I was wrong. It felt very tight and controlled. It wasn't as firm or technical as the 335i but it went exactly where you pointed it. I probably put this car through harder Gs than the other cars and there wasn't any play. I'm sure I could expose some if I tried but the fact it didn't reveal any from what I put it through sold me. Now it doesn't have that equal weight distribution that the 335 has so don't expect Jason Statham to sport this car in his next Transporter movie but it wasn't overly obvious either thanks to its suspension. This car has 5 modes if I remember correctly - Normal mode, Snow mode, Eco mode (ya whatever), Sport (S) mode and Sport + (S+ is only on the F-Sport model) mode. In Normal mode it was pretty ho hum and I would definitely give the edge to the BMW on all around handling. Strangely enough there was actually a difference between S and S+ and the car became more lively entering Sport mode. The suspension change actually took me by surprise. I have driven quite a few cars that have a "Sport mode" but was never really impressed by it. It's not just the Tachometer that changes when you enter Sport mode, the suspension changes making the Lexus IS 350 F-Sport more fun to drive. You don't feel as connected to the road as you do with the German cars (they know their mechanics) but only fan boys can ignore the fact a Lexus is actually competing with them. It's going toe to toe with the BMW! Both have their strong points so I feel like it is going to come down to what kind of feel you want when you drive. Look and Feel - Interior Cabin This thing is a flat out TECHNOLOGICAL BEAST! You are immediately greeted with a cockpit. Compared to the other cars it looks as though this car came from the future. The seats were perfect for me (I'm 6', 200lbs, athletic build ...with some slacker pudge) and hugged me tightly. The stitching was on par with others if not better. Outside of the analog clock it was a very modern design. But it wasn't just style, it had function and they were placed logically. The dashboard ...OMG the dashboard. Pictures really just don't do this car justice. The dashboard is inspired by the LFA and has a single Tachometer gauge for a pure minimalistic design. When you need to play with settings or want to control your radio or whatever the Tachometer literally moves to the right and a digital menu opens up to the left. When you are done you can collapse it back down to just the Tachometer. There are a lot settings to play with too allowing you to customize more things than I had time to play with. A for example... you can actually change the needle color on the Tachometer! Granted your only options are Red, White and Blue but it is more options than I had before. When the car is in normal mode the Tachometer is a black dial for a very subdued look but changes to a whiter outer ring when the car is placed in Sport/Sport+ mode. There were so many things to stare at and so many settings I almost looked for the bios options to overclock it. It will even integrate with your phone so you can play Pandora, iHeart Radio, whatever through it using BluTooth. As much as the S4 WOW'd me with its speed this car WOW'd me with its interior. Number 1 with no Number 2 in sight. There are a couple things I did not like though. All these new cars are moving to this new turn signal where you slightly tap it and your signal stays on till you turn. Well that's great for when you are doing a hard turn but it becomes annoying when doing a simple lane change. The BMW also had this turn signal implementation but I felt as though the BMW was friendlier to use and more intuitive. The 2013 Ford Fusion rental car I am driving also has this feature and it drives me insane as more than once I tried to turn it off after the lane change and it made the signal go in the opposite direction. I guess if you like confusing the people behind its awesome! Now I was able to work the Lexus no prob during the test drive. That is even considering it was the first time I encountered this turn signal (got the Fusion after) with zero warning from the sales person. So it might be ok but it definitely took me by surprise and that is one change I didn't like. Also the Lexus seemed to have the smallest rear window. I personally like big rear windows to see who is behind me so that kind of turned me off too. The Blind Spot Monitoring system helped soothe that worry though it does make me wonder if there is a setting to have it make a noise rather than just being a warning light on your side mirrors. Look and Feel - Exterior I'm not sure how to score this car. Many people deem this car a love it or hate it car. They judge the entire car on its grill. I'm somewhere in the middle. I won't say I "hate" the grill but I definitely do not like it. It just screams trying too hard for me. I give credit to Lexus for daring to try something new and moving away from the "only old people buy this car" image they've always had. They are clearly aiming for the young business professional with this car. While a small sample size my co-workers fell into this stereotype as the old people hated it and the young people loved it. As with any stereotype it's not going to be an accurate statement for everyone, but it does support my theory of the demographic it is going for. While people hate analogies almost as much stereotypes I would liken this car to a pretty girl with a big nose. Fortunately for this car, she knows she has a big nose so she also has a good personality. Most people use the analogy of the Predator's mouth which I have to admit makes me laugh everything I hear it. Though I suppose you could use that to your advantage and barrel down on that slow driver lane hogging in left lane who thinks he owns the road and possibly try to scare him out. Ok I admit that is a lot of hating. Despite its awkward lines I actually really like profile and if you're a butt fan, she has a nice one. The older model IS models had a pretty ugly rear profile. I also really like the Nike swoosh day time lights. So it's not all doom and gloom for the IS 350. Actually if it wasn't for that trying too hard grill I would probably rank this car first in looks, but instead I prefer BMW 335 and the Mercedes E350 more. I will put this here so this section isn't 90% hate. One thing that really impressed me, especially after seeing the limited options BMW had, was the sales person told me without needing to ask that if they do not have the exterior/interior color options I want at the lot they would order it for me and give me a loaner car while I wait for it to come in, SCORE! That is customer service right there. Overall Thoughts Great, great car. Despite its looks confusing me (hate it but still kinda like it) there are a lot things to love about this car. Only category it flat out wins, for me, is the Interior Cabin but man does it do it well. That actually means a lot to me since I will see the Interior more so than the Exterior. Also it provides the best value out of all the other cars tested since it was fully loaded and still came in below in price compared to the others. This thing had it all down to Blind Spot Monitor and other safety features. It had all those features you would expect a car of this price point to have ...and more. On top of that it had top notch materials to set it apart from a fully loaded Kia, Hyundai, Honda or whatever. When you step into this car it feels like it should. There is a WOW factor. It will impress all but the most pampered girls out there with its Batmobile cabin. On top of that it hangs in there with the competition on performance and handling. While the IS 350 isn't as technical as the BMW 335i Xdrive I found it to be more fun to drive. It doesn't have it all. It doesn't have that speed that most sport sedan lovers most likely crave but it does so well in so many categories that people in this category should give it an honest test drive. They might be surprised. I know I was! Other cars I'm looking forward to driving: - Mercedes E350 - BMW 328i - Infinity Q50 - 2014 Audi S4 To be honest I'm not sure why I wrote this other than I am supremely bored working on Black Friday with pretty much no else here. I am most definitely not qualified to be writing any official reviews of these cars but maybe some might find this interesting enough to comment on. I do like to talk about cars even if I'm not a big gearhead. If you haven't test driven any of these cars I highly recommend it! Even though my "review" will probably come across as harsh to most people these are all greats cars. I mean you can't go wrong with any of them. There is something to like about each one. Sites that are clear fanboys (looking at you Edmunds) don't really do a good job painting that picture. If I actually had to put my own money down and pick a car it would be a very tough decision. I would want the speed and drive train feeling of the S4, with the looks and technical handling of the BMW and the suspension and cockpit of the Lexus. Give me that car! Lexus, if you're reading this... is there an overclock option in your car? Just curious.
  24. lol Oh I know my place... and limitations. Speaking of hardcoding, I cannot seem to figure out how to call that function multiple times from multiple events (in this case - boxes). I don't ever recall having that problem when I worked in C++, Visual C++ or C#. But those functions aren't called the same way like they are in the web. Google keeps directing me to questions asked at a site called 'Stacked Overflow', but all the answers are short in reply and give empty functions with no logic and/or don't give examples of how the function is called. Or they use JQuery which I cannot.
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