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#750073 So many powersupplys to choose from.

Posted by oralpain on 11 January 2008 - 11:47 PM in Cases, Power Supplies and Modding

A Corsair VX450 will be more than enough for that setup. Goes for around $70.

Generally, any recent, truly reputable brand PSU with 400w or more should suffice.

#750072 Considering upgrade...

Posted by oralpain on 11 January 2008 - 11:41 PM in System Builds

I have two DFI Blood Iron's; one in each my primary and secondary system. They were a good buy upon release at $140, they are a great buy at $108.

The memory performance and tweaking options of this board are second to none. OCing in general is extremely good. The layout is above average.

I've tried RAID with them just enough to confirm that it works fine. I haven't tried using the last two SATA ports for it however.

Like pretty much every P35 board in existance it has a single port (two device) JMicron PATA controller.

I've been able to get my PC6400 CL4 Ballistix (not tracer, but they use the same chips) to a stable 580MHz (DDR2 1160) @ 5-5-5-15, with tight subtimings on this board, 24/7 stable. I currently run 500MHz (DDR2 1000) 4-4-4-12. With active cooling on the ram and a lot of voltage 600MHz is possible, but I wouldn't want to leave it that way in the long term.

#749852 Question on my system and upgrade possiblities

Posted by oralpain on 11 January 2008 - 10:06 AM in Processors, Motherboards and Memory

Only glaring weakness I see for gaming is the video card.

What are the specs on that Fortron PSU? Fortron has somev ery good models, so you may not need a new PSU at all. A quality 500w is more than enough for a fast dual core and a single 8800.

I've been running, in what is now my secondary system, a 420 watt Enermax (29A +12v) for over a year with an overclocked dual core opteron (now an oced C2D), and an OCed G80 8800GTS. I've had zero power related problems.

#749748 any way to remove thermal adhesive ?

Posted by oralpain on 11 January 2008 - 12:41 AM in Overclocking and Cooling

What is the heatsink attached to exactly.

if the component is somwwhat durable, putting it in the freezer for a while may very well work.

If not, submerging it in pure acetone (the kind you buy at a hardware store) for several days may do the trick.

#749496 chipsets

Posted by oralpain on 10 January 2008 - 12:12 AM in Processors, Motherboards and Memory

I have to agree, at least if you are building a new system.

You can save about 10-20 dollars by going AMD if you are positive you will not OC and are willing to risk the possibilities of not ever having a worthwhile upgrade path.

I've got a 70 dollar Intel chip (Pentium E2140 @ 3.2GHz, cheap air cooling) in a DFI P35 board that currently goes for $105 and the setup is faster than any dual-core AMD you can get without sub-ambient cooling.

As for AMD chipsets and overclocking, I haven't really seen a problem with them. A good board with an AMD chipset will take the CPU to it's limit before the board craps out. NVIDIA chipsets may very well OC better on the HT bus, but this means pretty much nothing in terms of performance.

If you already have a decent AM2 CPU, go ahead and buy an inexpensive AM2 board. if you've already got an AM2 baord and need a faster CPU, go a head and buy a black edition. However, if you are building from scratch, there is virtually no reason to side with AMD at this time.

#748139 NVidia Readies Duel Chip, Single Chip 9800GX2, 9800GTX and 9800GT

Posted by oralpain on 04 January 2008 - 10:13 PM in Video Cards and Monitors

9800 line looks to be not much more than G92 GPUs with a few revisions. 8900 would have been a more apt name.

#747877 8800GTS SC 320Mb Overclocking question?

Posted by oralpain on 04 January 2008 - 01:34 AM in Video Cards and Monitors

Not a bad OC on that card, so far. It's probably an A3 rev and should have more headroom than that to play with. Use a program that can alter shader speed separate from the ROPs (core).

A BIOS flash won't do squat to help you OC more. The memory can be vmodded with a pencil, but the gains before heat becomes unconrolable with the stock cooler are very small. Altering the GPU voltage is the only way you are going to get substantially more out of the core, and that requires a hard mod (soldiering).

The only reason a flash has helped some GTs is that some cards were not set to use the highest voltage availabe through the bios (1.1 2d/1.15 3d for the 8800GT). Any voltage over 1.1/1.15 requires a hard mod for that card.

As far as I am aware, no 8800GTS was set to use anything but the highest available voltage. I am positive they would not have set a lower voltage on a pre OCed card.

They don't move up or down at 1MHZ at a time

The reference clock on all of these cards is 27MHz. ROP, shader, and memory clocks are derived from this through multipliers.

Best I can figure:

The ROP clock can be altered with a granularity of one-third and one-half multipliers.

The Shader clock can only be altered in increments of 2 whole multipliers (i.e. 54Mhz steps).

The memory clock can be changed in increments one-third multipliers (9MHz steps).

#671770 Need A Stick Of Pc2100 Ddr.

Posted by oralpain on 10 March 2007 - 08:20 AM in OCC Market Place

Still looking for this?

I have piles of PC2100 (128MB-512MB).

#587640 AMD vs. Intel

Posted by oralpain on 30 November 2005 - 12:00 PM in Processors, Motherboards and Memory

AMD is pretty much a better all round processor than intel, at this time. A the same price point, intel is having trouble even things it's traditionally dominated AMD in, esp when it comes to the dual cores.


Yonah, and the the other next generation intel chips do look like they will be more competative though.

Funny thing is, by the time most people finnaly realise than AMD has had a very firm performance lead for the the last 2.5-3 years, intel may be making a comeback. So, the ignorant fanyboys will aways be a step behind...

#587633 Socket 939 Oc Competition (single/dual)

Posted by oralpain on 30 November 2005 - 11:54 AM in Overclocking and Cooling

You mean 75F, right?

#587631 Socket F Pictures (socket 1207)

Posted by oralpain on 30 November 2005 - 11:51 AM in Processors, Motherboards and Memory

That means that future DDR3+ memory controllers might require a new socket, we will have to wait and see.

I probably not, as everythign I've seen leads me to believe DDR2 and DDR3 are pin compatable. You might need a new cpu for DDR3 (when moving from ddr2) but I really doubt you will need a new motherboard.

I'm pretty sure M2 is supposed to be 940 pins. Socket F seems like it would need extra for the additional hypertransport links.

Well, we'll see.

#587624 Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Toledo Vs. Opteron 280 Italy

Posted by oralpain on 30 November 2005 - 11:47 AM in Processors, Motherboards and Memory

If I had a choice between an opteron 180 and an X2 4800+ (both socket 939), for vert simialr prices, I would get the opteron. I'm inclined to think it would be more likely to overclock better, and is otherwise the same chip.

I'd be using my own heatsink anyway, and if the chip lasts the first week in my hands, it's probbaly going to last as long as I need it to.

#586106 Reformed Intel Fanboy

Posted by oralpain on 28 November 2005 - 10:01 AM in Processors, Motherboards and Memory

There is also a possible issue about BTX putting the memory too far from the processor for AMD chips.

#584601 Reformed Intel Fanboy

Posted by oralpain on 26 November 2005 - 01:34 AM in Processors, Motherboards and Memory

If it's got an integrated memory controler, it's a K8.

#584599 What Is The Multiplier Actually Doing?

Posted by oralpain on 26 November 2005 - 01:32 AM in Overclocking and Cooling

well,  isn't 3dmark 01 and 03  have cpu speed affect them,  but 05 is mostly video card.

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Generally yes, but it depends on system.

Even 3dmark 2001 is video card bottlenecked on a TNT2 with any recent CPU.

Likewise 3dmark 2005, is CPU bottlenecked on a 3.9Ghz FX-57, and SLI 7800GTX 512MBs cooled with phase change and overclocked to 800+Mhz core.

However, you are right, for most reasonable systems, 3dmark 2001 is mostly CPU/memory limited, and 2005 is mostly video card limited, with 3dmark 2003 being in between.

Thanks for all the great info, it's been very helpful.

Any time. Just don't take my word as gospel. Do some research for yourself.

#584597 X800pro Hardmod

Posted by oralpain on 26 November 2005 - 01:21 AM in Overclocking and Cooling

My AGP X800pro non-vivo will NOT mod with the bios flash, even if I close the bridge properly.

I'm fairly certain there are resistors else where on the card that are also blocking the extra pipes. ATiTool shows a difference in the resistor positions between the vivos and the non-vivos.

To connect the bridge I used the copper conductive paint from a rear window defogger repair kit, a needle (to scrape off the coating on the two contacts) and a tooth pic (to paint the line). Note that you have to go around the laser cut or fill it in with soemthign non conductive before putting the conductive material over it.

I have used the same method previously to unlock Athlon XPs and a few other things, and I am positive I did it correctly on the X800, but the card was still not modable.

I also tried it on a PCI-E x800pro vivo (wich also has the laser cut), it didn't work there either.

The AGP x800pro vivo cards I've seen do not have the cut at all and a bios flash is all that is needed to mod them. Most are failed X800XTs to the AGP vivos tend to OC very poorly. I have an artic silencer on one (properly applied AS5 is the TIM) and at 100% fanspeed the highest 100% stable core clock is 520MHz at 1.4v. And this is not just a bad card, it's the best one out of 4 tries.

#581175 Cpu Diode Cooler Than Cpu Temp?

Posted by oralpain on 19 November 2005 - 08:38 PM in Overclocking and Cooling

Ignore the plain CPU temp on everest. Just look at diode.

Also, "CPU diode" on everest is not the on die temp, its the heatspreader temp (tCASE), atleast with the DFI mobos I've used.

28C is quite normal for an idle venice tCASE temp.

#580493 Finally!

Posted by oralpain on 18 November 2005 - 05:56 PM in Miscellaneous Hardware

I had the original true control 550, was ok, but really lacked in the 12v rail (24 amps, ok but not good for 550 watt psu).

The SLI one looks like it should be a bit better.

#580489 Making The Move For Intel To Amd

Posted by oralpain on 18 November 2005 - 05:52 PM in Processors, Motherboards and Memory

I'm very suspicious of that Crosfire DFI board. It appears to have some major problems.

#580482 Hard Drives & Bad Sectors

Posted by oralpain on 18 November 2005 - 05:42 PM in Drives and Storage

Bad sectors are useually, but not always, a physical problem with the drive. I say try the low level format/zero write and use the drive. If you get more bad sectors soon after, the drive is dieing and you should replace it asap, unless you don't mind permanently losing data.