Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Ryzen Or This... I need your help in a decision... Please help!


  • Please log in to reply
10 replies to this topic

#1 craigsnepa

craigsnepa

    New Member

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:19 AM

OK, I didn't know where to post this, so I put it in the build section, as they are both builds, lol.

 

I just finished a b350, 1700X, 16GB Build. Works fantastic, and 4.0Ghz overclocked. 

 

Here is the dilemma:

 

A friend of mine gave me his "old" pc. He is building a new intel X299 system and has the $$ so I figure let him, lol.

 

His old PC is a Gigabyte X79-UD3 socket 2011 with Intel i7 3820 in it. 16GB DDR3 in quad channel. With corsair liquid cooling, solid state, yada yada.

 

He wiped the hard drive on it and it is like new, just needs windows installed.

 

I got it for free and he threw in a brand new sealed 480GB SSD that he was planning on putting into it as well. 

 

My question is, should I send back the ryzen parts to newegg and basically just use the 3820 machine? I only do gaming and sometimes video encoding. I would be putting in my GTX 1080 card, and was wondering if maybe the card might be bottlenecked by the X79 platform. 

 

I am basically thinking of getting my refunds on the ryzen system, and use this one until threadripper might be announced and at that point make a decision, as I may have built the 1700x system a little pre-maturely. Not sure.

 

What are your thoughts? Will there be a noticeable difference in system speed do you think?? I honestly do web-browsing and gaming (2-3 hours per week). My job and family takes up the remaining hours in the week, lol.

 

Or.... Should I just part out the X79 system on ebay and make some money back since the board, chip, and memory are all like new still??



#2 cchalogamer

cchalogamer

    Folding is good :)

  • Folding Member
  • 4871 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NC (USA)

Posted 28 June 2017 - 11:44 AM

I would say if you're seriously thinking of switching to a new platform in 6 months time returning the Ryzen stuff would be good as the X79 platform while "old" isn't dead by any means and will do just fine with a GTX 1080. The CPU kinda sucks in that it's just a quad core and isn't a K sku making overclocking options limited (though you should be able to OC it a bit with BCLK tricks like switching to 125mhz default vs 100 and toying with the multiplier.  

 

However Ryzen has a feature set more in line with the current gen Intel parts and seeing as your use case is light gaming and some productivity I see nothing offered by Threadripper/x299 that the 1700X isn't good for and unlike x79 you've got access to more newer I/O standards like M.2. So if you're NOT planning on starting over in a few months I would just keep the Ryzen setup and sell off the X79 gear.  

 

Another note is assuming a Newegg purchase on the 1700x it isn't refundable. Only replacements offered on most CPUs so factor that into the decision too.


1zdcjtx.png

i7-5930K/GA-X99-UD4/32GB G.Skill/512GB Intel 600p/512GB Crucial M550/480GB ADATA SP550/5TB/GTX 1080 Ti/Rosewill Capstone 1000-M/Rosewill Blackhawk (main rig)

i7-4930K/GA-X79-UP4/32GB G.Skill & Team Vulcan Mixed/240GB Seagate 600 SSD/4 x 1TB/GeForce 315/Rosewill Capstone 750/Corsair Carbide 200R (VM Server)

i7-6820HK/Aorus X7 v6/16GB G.Skill/512GB Samsung SM951/1TB/GTX 1070/230w AC Adapter/94.24Wh Battery (Gaming/Fun Laptop)

i7-7500U/Razer Blade Stealth/16GB/512GB Samsung SM951/45w USB-C AC Adapter/53.6Wh Battery (Work Laptop)

i7-4770K/GA-Z87X-UD5H/16GB Kingston/240GB Seagate 600 SSD/2TB/GTX 1070/Rosewill Capstone 750-M/Rosewill Blackhawk (the wife took this one)

i5-3570K/GA-Z77X-UD5H/24GB  ADATA/120GB Crucial M500 SSD/3 x 5TB/2 x 3TB/2TB/Antec BP550/Bookshelf (server)

i5-4590/ASRock H97M-ITX-ac/8GB G.Skill/240GB OCZ ARC 100 SSD/750GB/GTX 1070/Rosewill RG630/Silverstone SG13B (HTPC)


#3 wildman2

wildman2

    Geek

  • FW Team Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 614 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:03 PM

The ryzen should be way better at video encoding has more cores.And games have come around speed wise from updates.


CPU: Intel socket 2011 3820 Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth socket 2011RAM: G-skill ripjaws z 2133 ram 16gb GPU: Saphire 6970 flex
Storage: Corsair force gt3 120 gb Seagate 1 tbChassis: Thermaltake element gCooling: Corsair H-90PSU: Corsair AX 750
Display: Insignia 1080p 32in +2x24in 1080pAudio: Onboard sound hooked to a Kenwood 100 watt 5.1 receiver rca surround speakers and sony subwoofer
Keyboard: Logitech k350Mouse: Logitech m510


#4 ir_cow

ir_cow

    I Am A Cow...

  • Reviewer
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6181 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:MT

Posted 28 June 2017 - 12:57 PM

Off the record I've been doing benchmarks with a GTX 1070 on my 3960X which is basically a 3930K and the numbers are very close to a i7-7700k which beats the Ryzen 1800 in most games (that use 4 cores or less). The system is far from dead for gaming. However the X79 is pain to setup for Windows 10, no M.2 slots and only 2 SATA 6 ports. Not bad for that time period, kinda annoying now. But free is always good! The Ryzen will crush any 2011(v1/v2) chip for video encoding, but its not a big factor anymore with CUDA and OpenCL doing the heavy lifting. I was getting 900FPS encoding H.264 with Adobe Premiere.

 

The GTX 1080 will not be bottlenecked, however you want to invest in some faster ram than 1333, as the article I did recently shows for DDR3 memory speed has a higher impact on games. I would keep this X79 for a year and than sell it once Ryzen has fully matured.


Filckr Photostream / Intel Pentium G3258 OC Guide / NVIDIA GTX 1070 OC Guide

Main Rig: i7 3960X @ 4.3Ghz, ASUS X79 R4BE, Geforce GTX 1080Ti, Intel 730(s) 480GB, 64GB DDR3 1600, Seasonic 1000w Plat.

Review Test Rig: : i7-4770k @ 4.2ghz, MSI-GD65 Gaming, Geforce GTX 770 , Corsair Force GT 240 GB, Patriot 16 GB 2400 (2x8gb), Thermaltake 750w.


#5 craigsnepa

craigsnepa

    New Member

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 28 June 2017 - 01:41 PM

Thank you guys for the info. I actually think I will use the x79 until there are some good reviews on the threadripper once it comes out. Too bad OCC doesn't take donations, lol. I would donate this X79 once I build my new threadripper. I figure if I can pay it forward, I would.



#6 ccokeman

ccokeman

    ????????????

  • Reviewer
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12379 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 28 June 2017 - 02:43 PM

I was able to get a 3820 to 5Ghz when I reviewed it and still have the chip. the OC key was to use the gear ratios and bclock overclocking that will get you there. However I think that a 1700X is going to be faster in multi threaded apps. 


Processor Intel Core I7 4690X  4.3Ghz
Memory G.Skill RipJaws  32GB 2400Mhz
Motherboard ASUS Rampage IV BE
Graphics  GTX TitanX x2
Power Corsair AX 1200,
Monitor ASUS PQ321Q
Cooling Liquid by comittee

Storage  OCZ RevoDrive 350 480GB  Seagate 8TB
Follow OCC on facebook.png


#7 ir_cow

ir_cow

    I Am A Cow...

  • Reviewer
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6181 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:MT

Posted 28 June 2017 - 02:49 PM

I take don

 

Too bad OCC doesn't take donations, lol. I would donate this X79 once I build my new threadripper. I figure if I can pay it forward, I would.

I take donations :)

 

The 1700X is going to be faster in most things practically everything, and if you can't return the CPU than it may be a deal breaker. You can get a few hundred for a X79 system on ebay. My only augment is you cant beat free !


Filckr Photostream / Intel Pentium G3258 OC Guide / NVIDIA GTX 1070 OC Guide

Main Rig: i7 3960X @ 4.3Ghz, ASUS X79 R4BE, Geforce GTX 1080Ti, Intel 730(s) 480GB, 64GB DDR3 1600, Seasonic 1000w Plat.

Review Test Rig: : i7-4770k @ 4.2ghz, MSI-GD65 Gaming, Geforce GTX 770 , Corsair Force GT 240 GB, Patriot 16 GB 2400 (2x8gb), Thermaltake 750w.


#8 craigsnepa

craigsnepa

    New Member

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 28 June 2017 - 03:06 PM

I can return the CPU Thanks to buying it from walmart.com when it was on sale for $299. I have 15 days it says, and thankfully can return it by then. I cant beat the free system I don't think (and a brand new 480GB SSD to boot! lol). I guess I can sell the X79 on ebay, but with threadripper right around the corner, I might as well get my money back, and use the X79 in the meantime. At least it should last until threadripper shows its face and if its even worthwhile to get. If its way too expensive, I can always rebuild a ryzen 1700X system im sure for the same cost, if not, maybe a little cheaper. 



#9 craigsnepa

craigsnepa

    New Member

  • Members
  • 20 posts

Posted 28 June 2017 - 03:11 PM

I take don

 

Too bad OCC doesn't take donations, lol. I would donate this X79 once I build my new threadripper. I figure if I can pay it forward, I would.

I take donations :)

 

Well, once my new build gets taken care of (hopefully threadripper), you pay shipping lol



#10 ir_cow

ir_cow

    I Am A Cow...

  • Reviewer
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6181 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:MT

Posted 28 June 2017 - 05:28 PM

Sounds like a plan!


Filckr Photostream / Intel Pentium G3258 OC Guide / NVIDIA GTX 1070 OC Guide

Main Rig: i7 3960X @ 4.3Ghz, ASUS X79 R4BE, Geforce GTX 1080Ti, Intel 730(s) 480GB, 64GB DDR3 1600, Seasonic 1000w Plat.

Review Test Rig: : i7-4770k @ 4.2ghz, MSI-GD65 Gaming, Geforce GTX 770 , Corsair Force GT 240 GB, Patriot 16 GB 2400 (2x8gb), Thermaltake 750w.


#11 cchalogamer

cchalogamer

    Folding is good :)

  • Folding Member
  • 4871 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NC (USA)

Posted 28 June 2017 - 10:11 PM

Sounds like a solid plan overall, considering no cost to take the CPU back to Walmart (That return policy at Newegg bothers me at times and leads to buying CPUs at Amazon for customer builds when they can't make up their mind)


1zdcjtx.png

i7-5930K/GA-X99-UD4/32GB G.Skill/512GB Intel 600p/512GB Crucial M550/480GB ADATA SP550/5TB/GTX 1080 Ti/Rosewill Capstone 1000-M/Rosewill Blackhawk (main rig)

i7-4930K/GA-X79-UP4/32GB G.Skill & Team Vulcan Mixed/240GB Seagate 600 SSD/4 x 1TB/GeForce 315/Rosewill Capstone 750/Corsair Carbide 200R (VM Server)

i7-6820HK/Aorus X7 v6/16GB G.Skill/512GB Samsung SM951/1TB/GTX 1070/230w AC Adapter/94.24Wh Battery (Gaming/Fun Laptop)

i7-7500U/Razer Blade Stealth/16GB/512GB Samsung SM951/45w USB-C AC Adapter/53.6Wh Battery (Work Laptop)

i7-4770K/GA-Z87X-UD5H/16GB Kingston/240GB Seagate 600 SSD/2TB/GTX 1070/Rosewill Capstone 750-M/Rosewill Blackhawk (the wife took this one)

i5-3570K/GA-Z77X-UD5H/24GB  ADATA/120GB Crucial M500 SSD/3 x 5TB/2 x 3TB/2TB/Antec BP550/Bookshelf (server)

i5-4590/ASRock H97M-ITX-ac/8GB G.Skill/240GB OCZ ARC 100 SSD/750GB/GTX 1070/Rosewill RG630/Silverstone SG13B (HTPC)